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Someone must really hate the fellow, why the seemingly unbecoming picture? I'll find a suitable one and change it.

Contents 1 Neutrality 2 I was just wondering about his nicknames 3 NPOV tag 4 IPA for name 5 On the section "Quotes about Thierry Henry" 6 Australia 7 nantes 8 image 9 successor 10 Name pronounciation 11 Alfred???? 12 the current picture 13 One of the best 13.1 World Cup 14 his wife\girlfriend 15 Spanish Racism Incident 16 Spanish Racism Incident Rehatched 17 Didn't play in 1998 Final? 18 Henry is no cheat 19 Unfair Play 20 Stockings 21 Penalty Shot 22 Squads 23 Arsenal Career 24 Juventus career 25 Stats 26 Picture of Henry in International Section 27 Failed GA nomination 28 No Picture? WTF!!! 29 what the...?

[edit] Neutrality

Well, here we go... The intro paragraph is anything but neutral. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Henry and would have added even more adjectives about him. But that's the point: where does it (anything) become not-neutral? If you can use such adjectives in an article like that, are they allowed elsewhere? Can someone please help me on this? Where do you have to stay dry and neutral, and where are you allowed to add this "blistering pace, majestic touch" kind of stuff? Thanks! Lars 16:17, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

I think it's tricky, and one way to get around it is to quote newspapers/websites on their description of Henry. If you say that he has "blistering pace", that is kind of like original research - how can others verify it? An example of how this is handled is at Australia in South Africa, 5th ODI, 2006.--Commander Keane 16:29, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply! That was fast! Well, I think articles, at least like these, should be written the way they are now, because Henry does have blistering pace etc. etc. He's one of the best. And we need that in an article about him to let people know he's special. But I do think we need some basic guidelines. For example, is it valid to call Napoleon a brilliant general and tactician? Because he was. But then it ain't a fact, therefore should not really be in an encyclopedia. It's tricky. Lars 16:40, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm out of ideas. Maybe ask at the Help desk for a wider range of opinions. Good luck! --Commander Keane 16:53, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi guys, just adding my two cents. "Blistering pace" is a matter of opinion, I think, and a non-factual, inappropriate description for an encyclopaedia. It is also a matter of opinion whether Napoleon was brilliant. The best you can do is cite numbers and facts. For example, how many seconds Thierry can run 100m or how many battles Napoleon won. These are more suitable. Aureliano

Widely regarded as the best player in the world? One of the best, but surely not the best. The Frederick 13:45, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Someone recently made the language very grandiose in the intro. Don't get me wrong, he is my favorite player in the world, but this is definitely not encyclopedic language. --Karmish 08:15, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

There is no way Henry can run the 100m inbetween 10.1-10.5,that is pure rumour and also misunderstands the amount of training it takes to reach such a level.In addition,I have heard that Henry used to run the 400m event,if he had as much pace as claimed he surely would have run the 100m.

[edit] I was just wondering about his nicknames

Does he really have a nickname Titi, and urm the other one apart from TH14 and Va Va Voom cant remember it at the mo MrDark 17:41, 12 April 2006 (UTC) Tel ... dats the one MrDark 17:42, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

I think the French call him Titi, although don't quote me on that. The others seem a bit obscure. ed g2s • talk 18:43, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Many of his teammates at Arsenal call him Titi, it's his nickname, not necessarily used by the French Yonatanh 21:19, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I have never heard him called Tel, but Tel is a common English nickname for those who are named Terry in England, such as Terry Venables (El Tel.) I don't think Tel or Va Va Voom should be up there, because I've never heard either of them for Thierry Henry. Mvpujols777 16:08, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

"Some offside decisions go against him due to his speed of thought...." His speed of thought? He's likely to be a smart guy, but thats assuming a bit much.....

[edit] NPOV tag

"After a phenomenal Premiership season as captain (taking the team to the Champions League Final, a Champions League place for 06-07, highest goal scorer in the premiership and gaining the football writers and premiership player award amongst other plaudits for this season) there has been alleged and unfounded media speculation that Henry will make a big summer transfer to Barcelona following the World Cup in Germany even though Henry has one few occassions stated the contrary to this considering many big name players like Henry are regularly inconclusively associated with numerous clubs but never moving away. Coincidentally, Henry travels to his hometown of Paris on May 17, 2006 to face Spanish champions Barcelona in the UEFA Champions League Final."

This doesn't sound terribly neutral. Matthew Platts 14:06, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Hello, I dont think the problem is POV as much as it is a lack of references. I changed the NPOV tag to a citation needed.The NPOV tag is a serious accusation and should be used only when the the neutrality of the article as a whole is disputed. If you believe that sentence was POV use the POV-statement template. Thanks :-) Deepak 16:56, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

You're right, of course. I'm just uncomfortable about the word 'phenomenal'. Matthew Platts 10:38, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

The problem is that though it seems bias, most of it actually true, all it needs are some sources and we can leave it im, search the www.bbc.co.uk/sports or www.planetfootball.com, the websites have a large amount of football information. MrDark 12:50, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

btw, I think we can leave phenomenal out, the quotes imply as much. MrDark 12:50, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I changed phenomenal to 'very successful', less of a loaded term. Deepak 15:38, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

"Very successful" is still a loaded term. For example, how many goals do you have to score to be successful? It is a matter of interpretation whether Henry is successful and it should be removed. Aureliano

[edit] IPA for name

Given the unintuitive pronounciation of his name to anglophones, I believe we should have an IPA pronounciation for his name. This is my stab at it: /tiəʀi ɔ̃ʀi/, but my IPA (and french!) is sub-par. Is this correct, and thus suitable for inclusion, or am I wrong (and, for preference, a correct pronounciation will be produced alongside any disparagement of me). --Sam Pointon 14:39, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] On the section "Quotes about Thierry Henry"

Quotes by fellow players and coaches expressing opinions on Henry...are still opinions. The quotes are trivial, non-factual, infringe neutrality and do nothing but gather praise for Henry via argumentum ad populum. I propose to delete this entire section. Aureliano

I've shifted them to Wikiquote, in accordance with WP:NOT guidelines. --Muchness 06:52, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

The fact that he is being praised so much suggests that he is one of the best players in the world, if we cannot put that in, it would be also correct to move this sentence: "He is widely regarded as one of the greatest football players of all time." from the Pele section. Henry is a great footballer: one of the best of our time. As it is not possible to state it as it would be considered NPOV, the quotes are there to state this point. They are statements from reliable footballing critics and the majority have no reason to be bias. Ghingo 12:06, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. The fact that Henry is being praised could suggest many things. But it *says* nothing except that he is being praised. It may seem obvious to you that Henry plays good football because of the good things said about him. But this has problems because praise is conferred socially and the social reasons for praise are complex. Cronyism, favouritism, the cultural politics of the participants or the context in which it was said, can all affect how and why praise was given. I could just as easily conclude that Henry is a likeable, nice guy because people praise him so much. The reason for praise is not a fact but an interpretation. Hence, that Henry is being praised, in my opinion, is not significant from an encyclopaedic point of view since it could suggest many things, aside from footballing prowess. Aureliano

If a totally unbias football expert from a national side, who would have no other agenda other than to praise Henry, stated that he was a brilliant footballer surely than it would be considerable to put the quote in. I could understand that if a person close to him said it like a team mate or his manager, but if a member of an opposing team or another person like a football commentator or critic, than it would seem he is a genuinely good footballer Ghingo

Whether a football expert is 'totally unbiased' is a matter of opinion. Your examples still fall to interpretation. If a member of an opposing team or a commentator praises Henry it may *seem* that he is genuinely 'good' (a loaded term, again). But then again, it could mean many things.

It may be in the interests of football commentators, for example, to promote players because it is good for the culture of the game and hence, their profession. Footballers might feel they belong to a footballing community and feel obligated to say nice things about all footballers, regardless of what team they play for. The quotes might have been given under media pressure, a live broadcast for example, where there is little time to compose one's thoughts and give rational accounts...one simply says the first thing that comes to mind which is the accepted, authorised mantra: that Henry is a good player. And it is obviously in one's interests, when the media wants to solicit quotes, to say something nice and not rock the boat too much.

These are just a few examples. Aureliano

yeah sure i see your point, im still dissatisfied, but Ok Ghingo 11:45, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Australia

Someone inserted an entire paragraph claiming that Henry is the all-time leading scorer for the Australian national team and will be playing for them in the 2006 World Cup. Obviously this is false and I deleted it. --Luckygoon 10:30, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] nantes

The article says Thierry started his career playing for Nantes so maybe that should be added under professional sides on the right hand side. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yonatanh (talk • contribs).

I can't find any sources which mention Nantes as one of his clubs. Everything I can find seems to say Monaco was his first club. Depending on its validity, the reference to Nantes should be in the infobox or deleted.  SLUMGUM  yap  stalk  13:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] image

Would someone be kind enough to do something with User 1471 as he/she is determined to keep changing the image of Henry to one that isn't sourced. I think he has been doing this like this on other pages. I've left a comment on his talk page but it's just been ignored. I've reverted, if he tries it once more then I'll be peeved. Cheers. --hedpeguyuk 9:00, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

The image looks ridiculous, clearly posted by someone with an agenda. There are literally thousands of more appropriate ones on the net, I'll be changing it in a day if no one here does. [June 31, 2006] Frantz Fanon

[edit] successor

His dribbling skills and on-field vision makes him the successor to the legendary Zinedine Zidane on the French national team.

I don't understand this. They've played together for France for about 9 years. --  SLUMGUM  yap  stalk  14:38, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

It's probably just a poorly expressed sentence describing Henry as the successor to Zidane in the France team in terms of seniority/influece/flair once Zidane retires after the WC rather than an actual an eventual step up to the team replacement. Maybe "inherit" rather than succeed. As a side note, 1471 is at it again, reverting the image. hedpeguyuk 14:47 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name pronounciation

Could someone put up the grammatical way to prounounce his name? 'Thierry' isn't exactly 'Stan'. --PrinceMyshkin June 21

[edit] Alfred????

I am deleting the reference to Thierry signing for Reebok along with his brother Alfred the Arsenal U15 player. I do not know if TH has a brother called Alfred or not but i cannot find any reference to him at all anywhere and he certainly does not play for the Arsenal youth team.

[edit] the current picture

is that from Arsenals game vs Wigan after his free kick? he looks grumpy haha.

It is. He'd just scored a free-kick after the ref had had a word about taking them to quickly. When the ball went in he turned to the ref and said "is the ok?" Jimmmmmmmmm 11:22 13 July 2006

I think he said, "Is that enough?" from lip-reading that last 4 secs of this video. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7745621278021587286&q=henry  SLUMGUM  yap  stalk   15:15, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Know it was something along those lines. Jimmmmmmmmm 15:40 14th July 2006

[edit] One of the best

Guys and girls , Please refrain from referring to Thierry henry as one of the best players in the world .One of the best players in the EPL is digestable , not world .

Thank you —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hahahaha1 (talk • contribs).

We don't encourage opinion. It is a fact that he is considered one of the best players in the World, whether you agree or not.  SLUMGUM  yap  stalk  14:57, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

he is not as good as Ronaldinho , Eto'o , Riquelme ,Tevez or many other players .And please sto insulting Zidane by calling Henry a successor to him .Henry is not half the player Zidane is. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hahahaha1 (talk • contribs) 16:36, 25 June 2006.

That is an opinion, but so is the fact that he is considered the best in the world, neither should be included. If there is a statistic that includes Henry is one of the best players than that should be included Behind the veil

FIFA World Player of the Year. Every player on that article can be considered one of the best in the World.  SLUMGUM  yap  stalk  18:12, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Totally agree - he must be considered one of the best in the world if he's considered as one of top 125 in the history of the game. Come on folks, time for a reality check, regardless of your affiliation, he is doubtless one of the best footballers ever. Budgiekiller 18:17, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Yup that works, btw my affiliations lay truly with Arsenal and Henry Behind the veil

Thierry Henry doesnt come close to being one of the best footballers ever .Thats a joke in itself .He is probably one of the better players in this generation but most of his better showings have only been in the premiership which i would say is a lower quality league in comparison to La Liga or Serie A. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hahahaha1 (talk • contribs) 00:33, 26 June 2006.

that is your opinion: both the fact that he is not one of the best footballers ever and that the league is lower quality than La Liga and Serie A. Your claim cannot be justified. Behind the veil

You cannot argue with the fact that he is the Top 125 players in the FIFA World Player of the Year article, that is a cold hard fact. Behind the veil

You are a troll and having a laugh. The Premiership is widely understood the be the strongest and most competitive league in Europe. Below the top 3 in La Liga is nothing of merit at all and the same can be said for Italy (what will be left of Seri A after next week is anyones guess!) Thierry is regarded as being one of the best IF NOT THE BEST player to have ever played in the premiership. If you need facts then think about him being the first player ever to have receieved 3 player of the year awards in the English game.

The problem with having such a strong league with such great players does actually hinder premiership players when it comes to World footballer of the year, the votes tend to get split much more than someone like Ronaldinio who is far and way the best player in Spain at the moment. Henry does have much more competition in the Premiership from Rooney, Gerrad, Lampard, Terry etc.. and they will all get votes for the world player and in turn splitting the premiership votes.

Thierry Henry is widely considered to be one of the 5 best players in the world right now by anyone who has even a passing interest in football and is considered by enough people to be the best to warrant a mention in this article. I have to believe that you are either trolling for a response or have a very limited knowledge of the game. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.159.22.14 (talk • contribs) 21:39, 28 June 2006.

Hahah you are funny .Yes i completely agree that Thierry Henry is one of the better players to have ever played in the premiership . But that doesnt say anything .You know why ? Because very very few of the better players to have ever played this game have played in the premiership? Zidane , Ronaldo , Pele , Maradona , Cryuff, Destefano , Puskas , Marco Van Basten ,roberto Baggio , Rudd Gullit etc etc .the list goes on - Did any of the aforementioned played play in the premier league ? NO.

What was even funny was when you said that Henry finds it difficult to win the World player of the year award because he has stiff competition from the likes of Gerrard , Lampard etc .And you mentioned Rooney .Oh i forgot , isnt he the next Pele?Just so that you know , Messi dances circles around a Rooney .Rooney is just another overrated EPL kid .Big deal.Just like Henry .If Henry scored 20 plus goals in Serie A , no one will even notice him because he is not hyped that much .Which is why nobody thinks a LucaToni is one of the better players in the world.Oops i forgot , Henry was booted out of Serie A .What a player. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hahahaha1 (talk • contribs) 05:54, 29 June 2006.

You are obviously a troll. Besides that fact, you seem to be having problems with facts being used in an encyclopedia which is weird. By the way, Ruud Gullit did play in the Premiership. Yonatanh 02:00, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Fox soccer knows how good he is. dont be dumb, hes one of the best players of the day. http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/5630050 dont deny it, he is just one of those players who you cant deny is good, i have a friend who loves Barca he always says how good Henry is. Besides, he did finish runner up for the world player of the year twice, doesnt that say something?? and as for Ronaldinho, even he says how good Henry is and the 2 are obvioulsy good friends, didnt you see the way they interacted during the CL final?

Thierry Henry IS the best player in the world. He is way better than Riquelme, Torres, Lampard, Eto, Zidane, Ronaldo, Rooney, Ronaldinho etc. Ronaldinho is a no good diver and hes all hyped up about nothing. ArsenalYoda 12:46, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

totally agree with ArsenalYoda, as a united fan I hate to say it but Henry is definitely the best player in the world. His goal to game ratio speaks for itself. Hahaha1 knows nothing about football if he thinks someone like riquelme is better than him, he is soooo stupid and as for rooney and henry being overrated, u need to watch more football mate. he is clearly one of these people who sees ronaldinho doing certain skills and thinks 'oh he must be the best' despite the fact henry outdoes him for goals and assists every season!! Mitoy11 02:56, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] World Cup

Is inclusion of the Puyol incident worthy in a biography, many players are involved in incidents during matches there aren't comments about Owen etc diving/ winning dubious free kicks. --Vivbaker 11:14, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't think so. Yonatanh 02:00, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] his wife\girlfriend

I don't remember her name but surely there should be a note about his girlfriend (not sure if they're married) and their daughter Tea (apostrophe above the a I believe). You can say something about how they met when they played a married couple in the Renault Va Va Voom ads. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yonatanh (talk • contribs).

Thierry Henry#Family and Marriage has some of that.  SLUMGUM  yap  stalk  13:27, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

IMHO family and marriage should be moved upwards right under biography. Yonatanh 13:36, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Agreement? Disagreement? Anyone? Yonatanh 02:05, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I would disagree. Henners isn't really a celebrity, so his private life is not really integrated with his career. The article should reflect that.  SLUMGUM  yap  stalk  03:31, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spanish Racism Incident

This 'incident' as called by the writer was not 'Spanish', as Spain in itself was not involved. It is like calling the detention of a hooligan in Germany a 'British incident'. Moreover, Luis Aragonés was fined by the RFEF, and Aragonés has repeteadly said he is not a racist, being backed by, among others, Cameroon player Samuel Etoo, who Aragonés coached in Real Mallorca. Finally, it should also be noted that the 'incident' was used and manipulated by the British press to take advantage in the 2012 Olympics race, where London was competing with Madrid. I believe all these arguments are objective and strong enough to prove that this highly biased section should be deleted of the biography of a footballer. Mathew--87.242.150.166 17:44, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I believe it is indisputable that there is a big problem with racism in Spain and comments such as those of the national team's coach do not really help and add more wood to the fire. Seeing how he is Spain's coach he does represent spain and therefore calling it the spanish racism incident is in no way subjective. I don't think it really matters in the Thierry Henry biography what this did to the bid for London 2012. Seeing how this incident sparked the Stand Up Speak Up campaign it is definitely worth a mention here. I guess it could be changed to Aragones Racism Incident but I definitely think Spanish Racism Incident is perfectly proper seeing how it did happen in a Spanish training session and the "fine" was a joke penalty showing that the RFEF might not care so much about racism as they portray themselves to be (but at least FIFA do). Yonatanh 02:05, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Why do you believe "it is indisputable that there is a big problem with racism in Spain"? How do you prove a statement like that? In a place like this we have to focus on facts, not opinions. Another point: how do you link Aragones comments with Spain v England game? As far as I know Henry did not play any part in that game, so this link is very week in the entry for Thierry Henry, although it would be relevant in the Aragones entry. Internet is a world wide tool accessible from everywhere on the Earth by people from different cultures, and therefore it is extremely important to focus on facts and avoid statements that provide room for interpretation. Mathew--136.8.152.13 15:04, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spanish Racism Incident Rehatched

I think this portion of the article needs to be renamed the Louis Aragones racism incident. In it's current form the article labels all spaniards as racists, particularly the comment about "large segments of the crowd" making monkey noises. Can this even be verified? I have renamed it the Louis Aragones racism incident (this fact is undisputed) and unless someone can verify this comment about the crowd at Santiago Bernabeu, I am totally deleting that part. Lastly, even if some Spaniards are racist (as are some bad apples in every culture), you cannot label an entire society as racist. User:DR 13:11, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

How about this? Budgiekiller 17:43, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Or this? Budgiekiller 17:45, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Or a more reputable source. There was no doubt of this incident whatsoever. Plus, I watched the game and was heartily sickened by (some) of the crowd's behaviour. I think we've got enough evidence to put the details back in the article. Budgiekiller 17:47, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree, I beleive they shouldn't call it the spanish racismt incident, cause it tends too take people off the right track beleive all spanish are racist. people tend too do the same thing espicially in the media these days.

[edit] Didn't play in 1998 Final?

I just read somewhere that Henry didn't play in the World Cup Final in 1998. Is this so, and if so, why? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nygoodliving (talk • contribs).

At the time he wasn't a big star and wasn't as good as he is today (This was before he moved to England). He was readied to come on but Desailly's sending-off changed France's strategy.  SLUMGUM  yap  stalk  01:10, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

'Henry was scheduled to appear in the final — where France beat Brazil 3-0 — as a substitute, but a red card forced a defensive change instead'

Is that a fact ? As in whether Henry was schelduled to appear as a substitute?

Hahahaha1 05:12, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Indeed it is a fact, it was talked about on the BBC2 documentary, 'world cup stories', that episode focused on France's '98 campaign and it mentioned Henry was due to come on just before Desailly got sent off, but this forced France to change their mind and not put Henry on. There was also footage of him kitted up and ready to come on.

UncleTheOne

[edit] Henry is no cheat

the people who say this have their heads up their arses, Puyol did it to him during the champions league final, and he did it to him again in the world cup. maybe Puyol shares some of the same "ideas" on the colour of Henry's skin like aragones does.

The article doesn't claim that henry is a cheat. It only gives some encyclopediac, sourced statements, about allegations of cheating, which in my opinion is perfectly admissible and NPOV. 59.92.36.1 13:16, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

The Puyol incident is mentioned twice in this article, this seems overkill in a tourlement riven with "simulation" incidents. --Vivbaker 16:40, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unfair Play

For a player who has only once in his career been accused of cheating\diving and even this incident was after he was fouled to have a paragraph or more in his article about this is quite unneeded IMO. If we do this for Thierry we have to do it as well for all players who have done it before him and more than him. Are we gonna start adding these paragraphs to Ronaldinho's article, Deco's article, C. Ronaldo's article, Reyes' article, Van Nistelrooy's article, Grosso's article (you get the point and most of these players have dived much more than Henry has). He has "dived" once and there's a big question marks over that as it was a foul and it was a one-time incident (after the champions league final henry said that maybe he should fall down after he gets hit in order to get fouls because the refs don't protect him from little fouls otherwise - he was getting back at Puyol). Anyway, it doesn't matter whether you believe he did dive or not in that specific incident because it was a one time thing and even if it wasn't, in order for it to be NPOV you'd have to add it to all other player's who have dived more than him before you add it to his page. Yonatanh 06:39, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

^^^Agreed. Why are people making a big fuss about something that may have happened once, but then there are players who do it all the time and they dont even get mentioned. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.254.210.160 (talk • contribs).

I think that the media has made this a big issue, becuase of the status of Henry as a world class player. That said, I think it's important to include this allegation of unfair play in the article and it's rebuttal, as it's NPOV and sourced. It may be a one-time incident, but that doesn't mean that it's trivial, as a fair amount of media coverage was introduced. It should mention both sides of the arguments equally to be NPOV.

Also, I think the argument that we should add it to all other players to make it NPOV is strange. If you are interested, you can add it to other players such as Van Bommel and Figo, but that's not going to make this article POV. I'll reintroduce the allegations, and instead of deleting it, let's work to present both sides of the argument. After all Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia. So, as long as we have verifiability and NPOV, we can include these allgeations in the article. Vorpal blade 04:23, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a news service as well. Just because there's a lot of people talking about, it's not notable enough as in three months nobody will remember it since he's not a diver. Also, you know how I said discuss in talk before putting it back. Well you spoke but you didn't discuss anything, just because you think it's NPOV it doesn't mean everyone else does. Say it is NPOV, it's still not notable enough for it to be in his profile (and it's not). Yonatanh 23:02, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

It's not news. It's an allegation of unfair play, which is essential to describe his character. You (& me) say he's not a diver, but that's only our point of view. There are many people who think that he is a diver, and I can back this up with sourced links. You think that's it's not notable enough, but I think it is. So, instead of pushing your POV, how about we insert the allegations back, and then work to make it NPOV? Vorpal Blade^{snicker-snack} 08:30, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stockings

It may be a moot point, but has anyone a clue why he wears high stockings that reach above his knees?--Cancun771 20:12, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Lots of players have different ways of wearing their socks. Maybe he just gets cold. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.254.210.160 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Penalty Shot

Is this the appropriate term, the English term would be penalty --Vivbaker 07:52, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't think "penalty shot" is the most common term. Penalty kick sounds more typical, and yes penalties too. There's the penalty shoot-out, which is pretty standard.

[edit] Squads

Anyone know how to add the Euro squads from 2000 and 2004 at the bottom of the page Jimmmmmmmmm 18:48, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but we don't want them.  sʟυмɢυм • т • c  20:34, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

You may not but when this was FA nominated they were asked for. Oh and no need for the attitude. Jimmmmmmmmm 18:14, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Firstly, I did not intend to upset you. Please accept my apologies for doing so. The World Cup squads were intended to be deleted after WC06, but suvived TfD due to non-consensus, although a consensus that Euro squads should not be created seemed evident. Some Euro squads (although not France's) have been created, and deleted by concensus. That's where my attitude as to whether we want them or not was formed. By telling you they're unwanted I was actually trying to save you the bother. If I'd have noticed the FA nom (article hasn't yet got GA status) in July I'd have set you and Jeronimo straight about your template confusion then.  sʟυмɢυм • т • c  20:07, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Arsenal Career

This article is really well writen but whoever wrote it needs to add more about his Arsenal career. There obvious stuuf to included eg all the trophies the unbeaten run/season etc but I'll probably word it quite badly if I do it. Jimmmmmmmmm 12:52, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

trying my best to compile the stats, but some 'totals' columns just don't add up. maybe someone can verify... Chensiyuan 01:50, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Well it's not just the stats it's the article. It sort of jumps from him joining to him becoming captain in 2005 missing out about 6 years of playing for Arsenal. Jimmmmmmmmm 08:31, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Juventus career

In an interview with Four Four Two magazine Henry insisted that he did not always play on the wing and played most games as a striker.His close friends nick findlay has been dubbed the next pélé by close friends,ronaldinho said'he will one day become a great player'

[edit] Stats

65 League goals since 1 february 2006 ??????? He is a good player but not that good.

[edit] Picture of Henry in International Section

I have added a minor edit to the picture caption. I changed "After scoring" to "After Scoring in the 2006 World Cup"Gi1b3r3th 04:41, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Failed GA nomination

This article is marked with an {{unsourced}} tag in the "style of play" section, uses weasel words, and has some POV problems; for those reasons, it doesn't qualify as a good article. There may be other problems; I stopped reviewing it after finding this. Kafziel ^Talk 18:56, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No Picture? WTF!!!

sorry i deleted this because i thought there was too much swearing hope no-one disagrees with me..

If this is your style of communication then this is not your community, please assume good faith. I will add an image. ↔ ANAS - Talk 15:52, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] what the...?

the new pic looks soooooo bad what happened to the old one? 27/11/06 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by X purelife x (talk • contribs) 11:37, 27 November 2006 (UTC).

I agree, the new picture is very poor (no offence). How about a change to a better quality image and also a bigger image? (Rafaelbenitez89 16:22, 6 December 2006 (UTC))

The old picture was fair use. Under the new guidelines, pretty much any fair use photo of a living person is being deleted because it can be replaced with a GFDL-licensed version. The photo currently on the article is free for us to use, so it replaces the copyrighted ones that were there before. See this page for a more in-depth explanation. Kafziel ^Talk 16:28, 6 December 2006 (UTC)hi i am lauretta burdge and i think Thierry Henry is a good football player he plays the game right all the time.