User talk:TheScurvyEye

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Hi there. Welcome to Wikipedia! I noticed that you didn't have a proper welcome message yet. The welcome message has some links that you may find useful.

If you want, you can drop us a note at Wikipedia:New user log to introduce yourself. Before you start doing a lot of editing, you might want to take the Tutorial. It gives a lot of basic info you'll want to get you oriented on Wikipedia.

Looking at your contribution history, it appears that you have reviewed the tutorial. You have had some constructive discussions with other editors. That is good, too. Your edit to Free agency (Mormonism) seems to have been well received.

You can sign your name on talk pages by using three tildes (" ~~~ ") for your username and four (" ~~~~ ") for your username and a timestamp. But, you know how to sign your name, already. More useful, perhaps, is a link to the manual of style. It contains information like how to include quotations in articles. Also, verifiability is a good reference for content of an article and how to cite sources of information. No personal attacks and assume good faith can help you work with other editors.

If you have other questions about the project, check out Wikipedia:Help, or add a question to the Help desk. You can also leave me a question on my talk page. Happy editing, Walter Siegmund (talk) 02:00, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Hope you stay for a while.

I responded to your nice note at my talk page. -Visorstuff 13:08, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Sorry if my comments at Talk:Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints seemed directed at you. I was meaning to direct them to the Jade Knight.
I completely understand where he is coming from, as I used to believe that myself, however, my understanding of the doctrines have changed too. The discussion will help improve the article. I just hope I don't sound so condescending that I alienate him. -Visorstuff 23:37, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Naw, I just read it. You know what you're talking about. It doesen't sound condecending at all.The Scurvy Eye 23:40, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Editing suggestions

Of course, you are welcome to edit whatever suits you. But, religion and politics are two subjects that are often fiercely debated and occasionally plagued by those who violate the NPOV policy. It is unfortunate that editors can be rude to others with whom they disagree or consider inexperienced. Before editing Mormonism, you might consider that you are well-placed to work on the following: Mount Naomi Wilderness, Wind Cave (Utah) and Jardine Juniper are missing, and Logan Canyon and Logan, Utah history need work. Walter Siegmund (talk) 02:42, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for all your well meant help, but I already checked out all those suggested readings before I ever started. I also have only lived in Utah for 2 years. I'd be happy to help though (but please don't forget that I have school and homework and all those other fun things). I have been LDS for my whole life, I have also read a ton of LDS stuff so I can say that I have a small amount of knowledge on the subject. The Scurvy Eye 22:48, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
You are more than welcome. Thank you for taking my suggestion the way that it was intended. One more suggestion, (forgive me if you have already done this); before wading into religion, become familiar with WP:NPOV. But, don't expect necessarily that other editors will always adhere to that policy. NPOV is often used as a weapon, instead of a guide. In either case, it is very useful to understand it. Best wishes. Do let me know if you contribute on wilderness or nature topics (those are closer to my interests), and good luck with your school work. --Walter Siegmund (talk) 05:17, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Terragen

Hi Scurvy Eye,
Thanks for your message, it's good to see another person around my age! Terragen is awesome, and I wish I had time to play around with it more, but I don't. Anyway I created the fog affect by using "simply haze" in the atmosphere window, putting the density to 92% and the half-height to 34m. Hope this helps, play around with terragen - it's the best way to learn. --Fir0002 05:26, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Hey thanks. I'm a little reluctant to reveal my age, just because people sometimes seem to write 15 year olds off as ignorant. Have you ever been to Utah (you would love what you can photograph here in the mountains). Anyway I do have a gallery here: Visination. The whole site isn't mine, just that page. Thanks again! The Scurvy Eye 22:39, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

Saw you signed in at WP:LDS. I'm glad you have you here. I love it when the young folks get involved. Tell your teachers and friends! Tom Haws 23:58, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome!The Scurvy Eye 02:33, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Help at Early life of Joseph Smith, Jr.

Early life of Joseph Smith, Jr. will be featured on the Main Page on the 23rd. Vandalism will probably be frequent that day. Could you help in monitoring the page? The 23rd starts at 7 pm ET on Dec 22nd, since wikipedia goes by UTC. Thx in advance. Trödel•talk 02:07, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

I'll help, but I can't be around for most the time. The Scurvy Eye 19:59, 22 December 2005 (UTC)


[edit] LDS alert

Hello! As you have contributed to LDS/Mormon articles in the past, this is a friendly heads-up that Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_temples_of_The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints is currently being discussed. Any comments you have regarding the issue would be appreciated. Thanks! —akghetto talk 10:57, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject LDS

Hello! I noticed you were on the list of members in the LDS WikiProject, and I was wondering if you were still interested in helping out there. You see, over the past few months, it appears that it has slowly drifted into inactivity. But you CAN help. Please consider doing both of the following:

  1. Take ONE thing form the To-Do list and do it. Once you're done with it, remove it from the list, and from the<>{{Template:LDSprojectbox}}<>, so we know its done. Keep the page on your watchlist. We have a backlog going for more than half a year. Please help to work on it, and remove it.
  2. Vote on the LDSCOTF, and work on it!
  3. Tell your friends (esp. LDS friends, & esp. Wikipedian friends) about this WikiProject, and enocourage them to join (and be active).

Remember: your involvement in this WikiProject is just that - involvement! Please help us out.

(Note: I'm sending this out to everyone who's name was on the membership list, so I will NOT be watching this page for a response. If you want to contact me, do it on MY talk page, please.)

Thanks for all that you do -Trevdna 15:52, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your Proposed Second Coming Section in the LDS Church Article

Were you going to begin drafting a Second Coming section in the LDS Church article as we discussed in the talk section there? I think you are right on the money with that suggestion, and I'm eager to help. We should start soon. If you look at the church's article, the words "second coming" don't appear in the entire text, and this is supposedly a central belief! --Piewalker 19:24, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to start drafting it soon, however, since I'm still in high school, most of my time on Wikipedia is about 7 min to check my watchlist and leave a few messages. The sources I'm drawing on are the Standard Works (Book of Mormon, Bible, Pearl of Great Price, and Doctrine & Covenants), Doctrines of Salvation by Joseph Feilding Smith, and Mormon Doctrine by Bruce R. McConkie. I'm very eager to get started; could you tell me what you know about writing an article (I joined in November of '05)? Thank you!--The Scurvy Eye 22:54, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Peter Deunov

Hi Grant; I wonder if you might be kind enough to have a look at the Peter Deunov article. It has a number of problems, in my opinion, and I've tagged it "noncompliant".

  • in general, it lacks sources from "reliable and reputable sources" (WP:V)
  • in particular, it makes assertions that bear on notability that are not sourced
  • does not use Deunov in place of Peter Deunov, The Master Peter Deunov, and Beinsa Douno in accordance with Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(biographies)#Subsequent_uses_of_names
  • reads like a hagiography, for the most part.
  • doesn't include a statement near the beginning that the subject is not regarded by most scholars as a major figure in Christianity, i.e., to counterbalance the disproportionate length of the article.
  • Please see Talk:Peter Deunov, if you have an interest in this. I'd be interested in your opinion of the article and whether my comments are fair or not. Omraam Mikhaël Aïvanhov, Great White Brotherhood and Paneurhythmy share many of the same issues and editors as Peter Deunov. Walter Siegmund (talk) 00:12, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
I'll try to help with that.The Scurvy Eye 21:06, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Joseph Smith, Jr.

A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Joseph Smith, Jr., and indicate whether you agree or refuse to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible.

[edit] Esperanza Newsletter #2

The Barnstar Brigade is a new program aimed at giving more very deserving yet unappreciated users barnstars. It will officially start on 2006-04-09, but signing up is encouraged before this date:
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  1. The next elections: Approval voting as before and, also as before, an previous leadership member can run. Please submit your name for voting in the relevant section of this page. Voting starts on 2006-04-23 and ends on 2006-04-30. There will be three places up for grabs as KnowledgeOfSelf is leaving Wikipedia. Please see the previously linked page for full details.
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A plea from the editor...
The propsed programs page is terribly underused! Please leave any comments, good or bad, on the page, to help us determine the membership's thoughts on the ideas there.
Signed...
Celestianpower, JoanneB, Titoxd, KnowledgeOfSelf and FireFox 19:53, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Old Skool Esperanzial note

Since this isn't the result of an AC meeting, I have decided to go Old Skool. This note is to remind you that the elections are taking place now and will end at 23:50 UTC on 2006-04-29. Please vote here. Thanks. --Celestianpower háblame 20:42, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bummer

I'm saddened to see you leave. You are a gifted and talented thinker and writer. Perhaps someday you'll pick back up. Please stay in touch via email. visorstuff AT yahoo DOT com. -Visorstuff 16:48, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #3

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Signed...
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20:29, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A short Esperanzial update

As you may have gathered, discussions have been raging for about a week on the Esperanza talk page as to the future direction of Esperanza. Some of these are still ongoing and warrant more input (such as the idea to scrap the members list altogether). However, some decisions have been made and the charter has hence been amended. See what happened. Basically, the whole leadership has had a reshuffle, so please review the new, improved charter.

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Thanks and kind, Esperanzial regards, —Celestianpower háblame 16:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] August Esperanza Newsletter

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[edit] September Esperanza Newsletter

Program Feature: Barnstar Brigade
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  1. The proposals page has been updated, with some proposals being archived.
  2. Since the program in development Appretiaion week is getting lots of good ideas, it now has its own subpage.
  3. The September 2006 Council elections will open for nominations on 18 September 2006. The voting will run from 25 September 2006 until 30 September 2006. If you wish to be a candidate or a member of the elections staff, please list yourself!
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04:04, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
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