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This article was nominated for deletion on May 22, 2006. The result of the discussion was keep. |
Removed the following:
- [Its style is] similar to El Goonish Shive although less detailed.
The reason is the following exchange on the El Goonish Shive Message Board, in pages 2 and 3 of the thread " 'What if?' EGS Crossovers".
As a result of these comments, some Wotchers assumed that EGS creator Dan Shive was antagonistic toward The Wotch, but he has denied this.
I have edited the final entry for reasons of length, hopefully without omitting any vital information.
Mitchell TF:
EGS, and The Wotch! (www.thewotch.com)
Why? Two comics that have LOTS of Transformations...and a similiar style.
Lee M [yes, it was I]:
Seconded, thirded and fourthed.
I feel it's highly remiss of Dan not to have given The Wotch the recognition it deserves, especially since they've given EGS tons of publicity.
Darkshive (i.e. Dan Shive himself):
The Wotch, though I'm sure never intentionally, has been a source of some frustration for me. The references to EGS and similar art styles between it and EGS resulted in many people assuming the two were actually connected somehow, and I received several e-mails to that effect. It was not something I asked for, and the inclusion of Uryuoms (which, if memory serves, I only found out via e-mail after their inclusion) wasn't something I was pleased with.
If I've recieved any additional "publicity" from the Wotch since those uryuoms, I haven't seen it. I can't read it without that feeling of frustration. I find it difficult to describe... I guess it feels like a forced association with something. I never asked for there to be any association between EGS and the Wotch; it just happened due to the art style and EGS references in the Wotch.
Anne Onymous:
First of all, I assure you that any frustration has never, ever been intentional on our part, and we're very sorry for causing any trouble or annoyance. The first reference was intended to be a tribute to a great inspiration in motivating me to try out my hand at a webcomic. I was a novice and did not know the stir it would cause afterward. The Grace sketch was posted with permission, but the Uryuoms were not, and, again, I apologize for that. It was during a time when I was too busy to do the comic, and I did not know about their appearance until after the fact, and should have stepped in anyway. Again, I apologize.
Quick note about the art style: That's just a coincidence. I drew this way before I knew about EGS, and it was the fact that Dan drew relatively similar that made me interested in EGS in the first place....
To readers of EGS and The Wotch: The last thing I want is a "war" or something breaking out between bunnies and Wotchers, so I request that you do not suggest crossovers anymore. I'd rather these simply be two webcomics that people can enjoy individually and separately.
Thanks for your time, and I promise I'll make my presence scarce on these boards so as to avoid further confusion.
Keep up the good work, Dan.
--Anne
For reference purposes, the authors of both have taken steps to end the feud that wasn't there in the first place. Some hardcore forum members may grumble but I gather that the comics have pretty cordial relations. Which still doesn't mean that there'll be a crossover. --Kizor 19:36, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Buffy?
humour and drama is reminiscent of Jeff Smith's Bone and Joss Whedon's Buffy the Vampire Slayer Can someone clarify this Whedon influence, it isn't clear to me? RJFJR 02:17, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
Seems to me it isn't quite acurate as the humor isn't as much in the style of Buffy as it is about referencing things like Buffy, though I do personally see the Bone comparision. Its funny for how reference centric the early strips were how it isnt brought up anywhere.--68.231.168.20 16:27, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
The comparisons to other fictional works is a critical review, and thus opinion rather than fact. I don't think they belong here. Redneckgaijin 04:20, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] cleanup
The latest version of this comment is The authors appear as characters in the comic along with many of their friends, but for their credit this is not done for its own sake. Is there a better way to word this? RJFJR 02:17, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
- If I knew of one I would've used it. I'm open to suggestions. "These inserts are not done for their own sakes"? --Kizor 09:19, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Merge?
It seems that someone has suggested that Cheer! be merged with The Wotch. I personally think that that's not a good idea. Cheer! might take place in teh same area, but it's a different comic. They're definitely connecte, but I think Cheer! deserves its own section. Hydragon 01:00, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
No, we shouldn't merge. Cheer! is its own comic. Friendly Hostility and Boy Meets Boy are on separate servers, and are separate articles, and all the Keenspot and DrunkDuck comics are separate articles despite being on the same respective servers. So, Cheer! should be separate. - CorbinSimpson 06:22, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Reword introduction?
It feels to me like the 2nd through 5th paragraphs, which talk about the story, are a tiny bit too open with storyline and border heavily on spoilers. Do you guys think it would be possible to move them down or pare them off a bit? - CorbinSimpson 06:24, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Weezer or Wonder Woman??
So the current article says the logo on Wolfie's shirt is a Weezer Logo, but it always reminded me of Wonder Woman. Especially with how it seems to be two W's.
[edit] Authors and Characters?
I don't have a reference handy, but the characters "Anne Onymous" and "Robin Ericson" are NOT meant to be representations of the creators. The creators prefer to conceal their identities and use the character names as pseudonyms- nothing more. RedneckGaijin 18 May 2006
- That's absolutely correct, references can be found here: [3]. Are you just saying this as general information, or is the article incorrect? I couldn't see any mention of this either way in a brief look through the article. --Tim 17:16, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
- Re-read the first paragraph of the entry. RedneckGaijin 19 May 2006
- I removed that sentence from the first paragraph. –Abe Dashiell (t/c) 18:07, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
- Re-read the first paragraph of the entry. RedneckGaijin 19 May 2006
[edit] Author's articles redirected here
Following the consensus of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Wotch, I have redirected the articles for Anne Onymous and Robin Ericson here. –Abe Dashiell (t/c) 21:57, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Post-CfD Editing
I've used White Lightning's in-house wiki as a sandbox to correct grammatical errors and cull trivia and spoilers. The current draft is here. I'm reluctant to make the direct edit unilaterally after the CfD, so I'd appreciate comments. Redneckgaijin 20:02, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
