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Contents 1 Unknown Disagreement/Personal Opinion Problem 2 Copyright Violation 3 RIAA CERTIFACTIONS 4 Conspiracy Of One? 5 Sell out? 6 Dirty Magic 7 The "The" 8 Style Cleanup 9 In the soundtrack for The Chase (1994 movie) 10 Ron Welty -> Atom Willard 11 Pop Punk 12 Link to "Best-selling music artists" 13 Live Preformances 14 Baby in a Blender 15 The Kids Aren't Alright is NOT the Buffy the Vampire Slayer theme music 16 Murphy's Law Panty Raid Rip-off 17 Punk? Not anymore 18 "Sound" section 19 Rock Against Bush track 20 Charts

[edit] Unknown Disagreement/Personal Opinion Problem

Apparently a few people have problems with things I have posted. They were in fact sourced, and I have posted links to those source(s) where relevant.

I'll give you credit for the backup singers info, but the other part is still not verified. Not to mention that your entries were not very wikified, ie. "audio coming soon" and linking a source in parentheses. brabblebrex 13:54, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright Violation

The previous version of this page was an apparent copyright violation from [1] See page history.

I plan to add more here at some point. --Sam

I didn't mean to revert Eloquence's latest revision, but I couldn't tell what changed in the edit conflict screen. Checking history, it looks like I made basically the same revisions as he did. If I'm wrong, Eloquence, feel free to refix whatever you did in the first place. Tuf-Kat

[edit] RIAA CERTIFACTIONS

http://www.riaa.com/gp/database/search_results.asp

dain84: The RIAA site doesn't work that well. I do have a limited edition platinum copy of Smash that was certified by the RIAA.

[edit] Conspiracy Of One?

Why isn't there a background/paragraph on COO? Many things happened then, like how Offspring was going to give out the album for free, Original Prankster being a hit single etc. I coulda swore there was one.

[edit] Sell out?

Even tough I know that their songs aren't as hardcore as they used to be I wouldn't call the a punk/pop band.

They're just doing something different from most punk bands. They aren't exactly pop either. In fact, there aren't a lot of bands like the offspring have become so they clearly aren't sell-outs to the mainstream.

^There's a difference from being hardcore and without rhythm. The Offspring is not hardcore and the lead singer sounds like he's drunk. Andre Wong 02:02, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

What does hardcore have to do with selling out? Nothing at all is the answer. Them being a pop punk band has nothing to do with their success, they are pop punk because that is the style of music they play. - Deathrocker 18:18, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dirty Magic

"Ignition, saw them move away from more traditional punk, heading into the pop-punk of the mid-1990s with songs like "Dirty Magic"."

I really wouldn't call 'Dirty Magic' pop-punk at all, but I'd appreciate other opinions before changing it. - (contributed by Mullet)

I agree. Dirty Magic is not pop-punk. Besides, to be pop-punk, it would have to be popular. Not many people know the song Dirty Magic. They didn't really become pop-punk until Smash with songs like Gotta Get Away, Self-Esteem, and Come Out And Play. - (contributed by 172.194.149.8)

I agree that dirty majic is not pop-punk, however a band does not have to be "popular" to be considered pop-punk", look at Mest.

[edit] The "The"

The "The" is definately definately there, right?

Because for whatever reason, the Official UK Charts Company has them registered as "Offspring". Theres a The on the front of the CD's I have here anyway, can't find anything to say its not there... record label screwup? worth mentioning? --Kiand 21:21, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Officially, they are definatly known as "The Offspring", it is the name which appears in nearly all the official litrature relating to the band aswell as on all their album covers, with the exception of the "Smash" album.

Inclusion of the "The" part of band's names is always a contentious issue as doing so destroys any meaningful alphabetic organisation of the names (as so many bands would appear under "T"), which is why many charts and similar lists choose to leave out the "The". An alternate system that is gaining popularity includes the "The" in the band's names but ignores it during the alphabetical organisation (i.e. so "The Offspring" would appear under "O" and not "T"). Canderra 03:22, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

The band is sometimes popularized as "Offspring" or "The Offspring" (like The Smashing Pumpkins (sometimes called as "Smashing Pumpkins"), Foo Fighters (sometimes known as "The Foo Fighters"), etc.). However, because of that, we can just leave it as "The Offspring". Never, have all the covers of their albums say just "Offspring" (except Smash) also. Let me know if any one of you agree with anything about this or not. Alex 101 23:51, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, I wasn't suggesting moving it, its definately the most common usage to have the The there, its just that its a bit odd that their label registered them with OUKCC as just "Offspring". Ah well. --Kiand 23:53, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Officially, the band is known as "The Offspring". When listed in an alphabetical list, they are "Offspring, The" -- that is standard practice for any such name or title. "Offspring" by it self originated with "Smash", but it ended there as well. --D Mighton 20:07 EST, 18 December 2005

Even in "Smash" booklet it is written "by The Offspring", capital letter suggests that "The" is not used beacuse of gramatical purposes. I always have problem where to search it in music shops("O" or "T").--Teodozjan 20:28, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Style Cleanup

While a general cleanup of the article would be great - removing/reducing the "Background" section and putting the bulk of the information under more relevant headings - a less drastic update which the article needs is for song/album names to all be in the same style.

At the moment, at the start of the article, album names (such as Ignition and Smash) appear in italics and song names are "quoted" (such as "Dirty Magic") wheras further down the article, song names appear in italics (e.g. Kids arn't alright and Why don't you get a job). I'm not sure what the Wikipedia standard is (which is why I haven't fixed the inconsistancy myself) but could someone who knows which way round they should be please make them all that way. - Canderra 05:39, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Fixed (Wikipedia standard)83.118.38.37 11:27, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

The section Two years of silence (2005-2006)is miss-titiled, the band released a greatest hits disk, played the Vans Warped tour, as well as playing dates in Europe and Japan. The band was quite active during those years.

[edit] In the soundtrack for The Chase (1994 movie)

Offspring's "Forever and A Day" was #5 and "Take It Like a Man" was #10 in their soundtrack. -- Sy / ^(talk) 07:09, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ron Welty -> Atom Willard

I noticed that there aren't any mentions to Atom Willard on the article, or neither is any information regarding him joining the band, for whatever reasons, or if he had any previous relation to the band members, etc. I'm not making edits because i'm not really into The Offspring or Atom Willard.

Also it could be mentioned his actual participation on Angels and Airwaves. --Greedy 03:33, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pop Punk

The Offspring are not a 'pop punk' band. Yes they have released singles such as Why Don't You Get a Job which do lean more towards the 'pop punk' side, however the vast vast majority of their music is just plain punk. What is pop about Ignition or Smash? I think I'm going to change it, feel free to object.Jacknife737 22:16, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Objection, on the grounds that The Offspring play in several different modes and make a point of crossing genres, thus the more general term is more appropriate.

I agree on certain songs; however i'd consider the vast majority of their music to be regular 'punk'. The Clash put out songs like Lost in the Supermarket, but are still considered a 'punk' band. The term punk describes the majority of the Offspring's music; and as such is the most accurate word to describe their style of music.Jacknife737 22:16, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I disagree: yes, they have "proper" punk origins, but everything since (and including) Americana, which was released 8 years ago are more pop-punk, or punk-rock, as it seems to be called. -- Jon Dowland 19:52, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Ok, this is the easiest thing to consider The Offspring, this is what I always considered them. Their first three albums are Punk Rock. Then all the albums after Smash are Alternative Rock. - Tom

While I've always found it odd that they were termed pop punk (especially since stuff on Smash has more in common with hardcore than the Ramones), they've been constantly referred to by the media and music press as pop punk. WesleyDodds 11:20, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

What amazed me more than 'pop punk', which is, frankly, still punk, was 'alternative rock'. Oh, please, where? Dubbing more and more artists alternative led to the situation where 90% of all bands are alternative. I respectfully disagree that Offspring is, too. When a band's already punk, or pop punk, it shouldn't be alternative as well (I don't think it's even possible). Please remove this blasphemy. Jacky, 18:52, 27 August 2006.

I wouldn't know too much about this, but I have always classified them as punk rock (I only have the album Americana). 12hernn 01:11, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't think they're pop punk. i have splinter and smash. smash sounds more influenced by grunge, punk rock, and some classic rock. splinter sounds more influenced by some alt-rock, and some grunge, ska, and punk. but seriously, most people who think their pop probably don't even know the difference between ska and pop.Itachi1452 00:14, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Link to "Best-selling music artists"

I can't actually find them on that list, being artists that hav sold upwards of 50 million records. So why is there this link? Anyway i thought their sales figures stood a bit above 40 million.

Yes, i think thats correct.Jacknife737 00:48, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Live Preformances

"Some dedicated Punk followers believe The Offspring are awful live, and have accused Dexter's voice of sounding very whiney in concert, and allegedly questioned about Noodles skills as a guitarist."

That is unencyclopediadic, and is unsourced.

"In 2001 while touring Australia with guest band 28 Days, 28 Days revealed The Offspring used backstage singers....."

This line is not sourced. Punk POP: I resent you deleting my work when it was in fact sourced:http://www.accessallareas.net.au/indie/28days.php. I will put it back now.

Thanks for doing all that cleanup work. brabblebrex 23:32, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

No problem, if anyone has any issues with the edits i made, let me know.Jacknife737 00:02, 6 April 2006 (UTC

I altered the wording. Jacknife737 19:29, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

The source above says "at the back of the stage", not backstage. The article already lists Higgins as a backing singer. -- Jon Dowland 19:50, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I think that this part of the article is unnecessary and false, I have many live concerts of the Offspring and they do not suck live, nor does Dexter's singing. The other member is Higgins aka (X-13) and he does some backing vocals like the "keep them separated" part of come out and play, he is not hired to cover up Dexters 'flaws', which don't exist.

I agree, it sounded like the band 28 days was just bitter. I to have seen the offspring live and it was clear that there was no lypsynicing involved. Jacknife737 20:42, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I noticed that the section was removed, i have no problem with that. Jacknife737 16:50, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

This is constantly added to Live Performances:

"The band is known for their musically accurate and energetic performances, in which Dexter and Noodles run all over the stage and interact with the crowd. Although, Greg doesn´t do much his constant and unique bass movement keeps the crowd happy and has became his trademark. Dexter`s voice remains almost the same as when the band started, which allows them to play anysong of their catalogue."

unsourced, and sounds awfully fanboyish

[edit] Baby in a Blender

Please stop adding this title for the bands upcoming release, there has been no official statement from the band, the bands management, or the record label. Thanks. Jacknife737 02:46, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Kids Aren't Alright is NOT the Buffy the Vampire Slayer theme music

The actual theme music is by Nerfherder

[edit] Murphy's Law Panty Raid Rip-off

That song "Come out and Play" is a clear rip off of an old NYHC band's (Murphy's Law) track "Panty Raid." Not only is the riff exactly the same, you can even sing the lyrics to Panty Raid over "Come's" structure and they fit perfectly. I believe Murphy's Law did have a law-suit against them at one point which had been dropped (for reasons I don't understand because the evidence looked very clear since Panty Raid was released in 1989 on the album "Back with a Bong"). Anyway, before adding this, if there is some way this can be verified, perhaps it should be before being added; if it is, I think it most definitely needs to be added because (from what I remember) the Offspring were about to call it quits before that album (and song) came out, and that song literally gave them the career they have now (as disgsuting as that is).

Every song is a rip-off of an earlier song. The Offspring made the song better and more popular. It's not disgusting that the song helped their career, it's disgusting that someone would think that they deliberately copied another song.

[edit] Punk? Not anymore

IMHO, and only IMHO, The Offspring are no longer punk, but now just alternative. In my opinion, a band is no longer punk when they sign to a major label.

Well that’s a real narrow minded point of view. So you wouldn’t consider the Clash, and Ramones to be punk as they were both signed to major labels? The Offspring still continue to play a style of music that is primarily punk, yet has other influences, such as alt rock, pop-punk, ect. Jacknife737 01:51, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Offspring were never a punk rock band. They are a huge part of the 1990s pop punk movement (read that article) and one of the reasons it was so popular... they are not from the 1970s (which punk rock is) they are not even from London or New York. - Deathrocker 10:13, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Punk came from a lot more places than London and CBGB's/New Jersey. California Punk? X, the Germs, Black Flag, the Descedents, Agent Orange, The Skulls, Dead Kennedys, Circle Jerks, Minutemen, Guttermouth, Bad Religion, Suicidal Tendencies, The Stains, Catholic Discipline, Fear, The Adolescents . . . Want me to continue? I can. . . Anyway, the Offspring have moved away from punk, but their earlier stuff was definetly there. Listen to L.A.P.D. BMan1113VR 01:51, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

They are a Californian pop punk band, which came out of an environment where hardcore punk had previously been. Their musical characteristics are not the same as those described in punk rock. - Deathrocker 10:13, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes they were, and they were even punk. You don't know them when you say this. I bet you only heard Americana.... And so you want to say that if band doesn't comes from London or New York then they aren't punk rock?! That's truly stupid. And BTW: Punk Rock was not only in 70s, it lives nowadays. - Peedr

At this point, I really don't care what The Offspring's real genre is. Deathrocker, who keeps changing this band's genre, appears to be something of a crusade to change the genres "punk rock" to "pop punk" to articles like Bad Religion, Rancid and others. The Offspring started in 1984 as a "just-punk" band and on their first two albums, their 1989 self-titled debut and Ignition, the band was more like "hardcore punk" or something, so they didn't launch into the pop punk scene until Green Day's time, which was 1994 where they got the success with their Smash album.

And to Deathrocker: If Black Flag, Circle Jerks or Minor Threat weren't from London or New York, would you chnage their genre to pop punk? I wouldn't think so and there was no such thing as pop punk because those bands started in the late 70s/early 80s anyway. Alex 03:45, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Sound" section

Is there any need for this? It is badly written and doesn't say anything that isn't already in the article 62.25.109.195 14:03, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I've reworded it, but it seems tragically uneeded. Vote to delete? Sir Teh 19:38, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rock Against Bush track

I added the song Baghdad under non-album tracks. (Kilby6 19:38, 21 August 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Charts

added charts from this site: http://norwegiancharts.com/ I only used Norway, Sweded, and Austria because only those archives span the bands career. Archives for the other countries only go back a few years and will require further research. 195.137.109.177 11:12, 12 October 2006 (UTC)