Talk:The O.C.

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Just a nobody watcher but I thought that Duran DUran also had a gig at the bait shop

I don't know if Ryan fell in love with Marissa. Of course it'd be easier to tell if they stayed together for more than a day.


Thanks for that clarification. From all accounts I've heard, next to no one called it "OC" or "The O.C." It was a name that was basically made up for the show. Mike H 23:22, Aug 28, 2004 (UTC)

It's usually "Behind the Orange curtain".  :) RickK 23:24, Aug 28, 2004 (UTC)

Wouldn't have expected anything less. :-) Mike H 23:24, Aug 28, 2004 (UTC)
Actually, I dispute that- We've been calling it "OC" my entire life. BuddhaInABucket

I added some season 2 plots...as I'm a newbie here, please correct me if I misformatted anything or the like. Also, feel free to add anything I missed.

Quick change -- the part of Caleb's right-hand man Shaun was played by an actor named Richard Herd (he played George's boss Mr. Wilhelm on Seinfeld). It wasn't Karl Malden, but the confusion is understandable given the fact that Richard Herd bears an uncanny resemblance to Karl Malden!


About the link to 'Michael Cassidy' as the actor who plays Zach. Is he really a Canadian politician?

I rather doubt it, as that Michael Cassidy is 68 years old. --Saforrest 17:40, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Songs

I was so sad when the OC finished here (Aus) and the last episode was so sad :'( . Anyway, i was wondering if anyone knows the name of the 2 songs, one of them is something like 'the abc of growing up' (it's played while they're graduating) but what's its real name and who's it by? The other one 'happily ever after' (it's played in the scene where Summer, Seth, Marissa and Ryan are in the pool at Marissa's the ex-model home). Anyway, if ayone knows the name or artist of any of these songs i'd be really grateful if you could tell me!--JG ROX 02:04, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

These are the songs from that ep;

  • "Friends" by Chris Holmes
  • "Breaking the Ice" by Mojave 3
  • "Speeding Cards" by Imogen Heap
  • "Bossy" by Kelis
  • "Chapters" by Appogee
  • "Hallelujah" by Imogen Heap
 pain of silence o.c soundtrack 1

So they are one of them. --Iorek85 02:56, 5 August 2006 (UTC)


Thanks!--JG ROX 3:17, 6 August 2006

They ended up being Speeding cars and chapters, thnx again--JG ROX 4:01, 6 Aug 2006

Where can you get lists of the songs played in each episode? I need to one played in "the Rivals" and i can't find one anywhere, if you know a site can you please tell me?JG ROX 05:50, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Episode List

For ages i've been adding quotes, plots etc. to the episode list. Season 4 has already begun and Season 2 isn't even filled in properly, can sum1 plz help, I don't know how to set up the navigation boxes etc. so once they're all there (which i think they are now) i can probably continue filling in season 2. I've already done quotes for all of season 1 but i'm not doing everything by myself! JG ROX 05:53, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Quotes _do not_ belong here. MatthewFenton (talk • contribs • count • email) 09:50, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Welcome to the dark side"

I just watched the first episode for the first time and it's definitely Ryan, not Seth, who says this line. I didn't just swap the names in the article because it seems like there might be some further editing necessary. Someone care to take care of it?

Actually, they *both* say "Welcome to the dark side". Seth says it as they enter the fashion show, thinking that the cocktails and superficiality is the dark side; Ryan says it as they enter the party.

Daydream believer2 06:19, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Paragraph on "Jewish controversy"

I really question this information. TV shows have feautred Jewish-Christian marriages for a very long time - at least since Bridget Loves Bernie in the early 1970s. Which Jewish groups have criticized this show? When? Also, this article makes it seem as if Jewish groups are criticizing the show because a non-Jewish actor is playing a Jew. Huh? This has also been going on for a very long time. I'd like to see some evidence of this "controversy," please. Moncrief 16:52, May 20, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you, Tony Sidaway, for taking it out again. It's such a silly thing - a few people on blogs complaining about it signals a "controversy" - but I was trying to find consensus by at least moderating the langauge. I'm glad someone else is watching it, and understands that at the very last it requires a citation or two. Most Jews have much more on their minds than a FOX television show whose worst offense is showing a couple who are intermarried - something that reflects reality since intermarriage has been very common in the U.S. for decades (though it's true Orthodox Jews don't like it) and has been portrayed on television for decades as well. Moncrief 02:45, May 22, 2005 (UTC)

Does *anyone* actually believe Trey lived? I mean, he did get shot straigh through the chest, and it looked to me like they were trying to clearly show he was killed...

He was shot through the right side of the chest so it would not have hit his heart, it's definately possible to survive a bullet wound in that area of the body. I'm not really sure what your message has to do with Judaism in the OC but there's your answer. --Iscariot 17:13, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
besides, with modern day medicine anyone could live with basically any injury as long as they medical attention almmost immediately--JG ROX 11:41, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Link to TV (Tome)

Since I don't want to start a revert war: Any specific reason the link to TV.com was reverted? TV Tome no longer exists and accually redirects to the new link. RoToRa 14:03, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I just wanted to clear up that this is because tv.com has merged with the cnet affiliation and now uses the same layout as gamespot.com its much easier to go through now and easier to maintain your own personal profile === Razorwave 1:11am Feb 7 2006

I prefer TVRage. It's easier, and it is 100% better. --andrew 08:51, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I've removed the spam and correced the sneaky change of the tv-id. thanks/MatthewFenton (talk • contribs) 09:08, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Around the world

I question whether the "Around the World" section is actually required. It's getting very long and no other articles about TV shows seem to have it.

Would anyone object if I removed it? --Kevin 10:49, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

Why should it be a problem that it is getting very long? If it doesn't look good to have such a long list in this article, you could always create a Countries and Channels The O.C. is aired in, or something similar. Wouldn't it be interesting for a reader of this article to see that it quite a popular show around the world, and just not in the U.S.? --Konstantin 13:36, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

It's too trivial a thing to deserve an article of its own. To show the popularity of it something like "As of August 2005, The O.C. is syndicated by {x} networks in {y} countries." --Kevin 22:37, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

I say remove it, I haven't seen ANY other television show on wikipedia that has a complete list of countries, names, etc. like this show does. It's wholly pointless, basically it serves as a TV Guide, which is not the purpose of wikipedia. A line as suggested by Kevin is more that sufficient. Batman2005 21:33, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Maybe we should, instead of remove it, create a separate page for it, like these two: Airdates of Lost and List of Smallville broadcasters and home video releases--Morpheos 01:22, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Runtime

How to count how long the show runs? I remember after seeing the first season DVD, that each episode is slightly less than 42 minutes long. Should the credits be counted to the shows runtime? --Konstantin 13:38, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Credits should always be included. We should count the actual running time, meaning without the ads, and that's the episode on the DVD which is always more than 41 and less than 44.
According to the DVD boxsets the running time is 42 mins approx, Shouldn't that be the show's running time? --Ryan2807 16:36, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Charlotte

I'm personally against the lesbian comment. Refer to edits previous to this post to find. There's no real evidence of lesbianism in her character, just some shady overtones. --evesummernight 04:38, 23 September 2005 (UTC) OC GALA

can someone write this?? --Maoririder 21:04, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Character List

Some of you might notice that the character list is a little bit different than it was previous. I removed many of the descriptive words (devious, sexy, overbearing, obnoxious, ruthless, etc.) as they are not Neutral in Point of View. These are obviously words that were included based on the feelings of the poster who wrote the article and by editors that followed. The goal of an encyclopedia isn't to sway an opinion one way or the other, nor is it to provide the reader with information that would provide a prejudiced view of a show or characters in a show. Saying "Sandy's obnoxious and overbearing mother" is not Neutral Point of View. Saying "Sandy's mother, known as the Nana" is Neutral Point of View. I expect that these edits will be reverted as quickly as they were made. At which time i'll post a header about the neutrality of the article being questioned and let a moderator sort it out. Batman2005 06:53, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

This page is for discussing article for the television show The OC, if you need your questions answered, then please visit one of the many fansites or internet blogs that discuss the show. Batman2005 22:22, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notable Plots

Do we really need this section, as there is already a brilliantly laid out List of episodes of The O.C.? The plotlines are too hard to lay out chronologically with people leaving and arriving, and the events each of them go through. I think it would be better to lose this section entirely, and just use the episode list.Iorek85 11:15, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree. This was started in 2004, because the episode list didn't exist yet. We should have a formal vote, though. Plus, it seems as if the whole article is written in bulleted list format. -Whomp 16:34, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm ok with merging the plot lines into the list of episodes of the O.C. article. Batman2005 20:28, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Nah, I'm for getting rid of them entirely. They are good for less popular shows, but not for this one. A somewhat better route to take is to do what is on the One Tree Hill article, with season synopses. But, that may not work that well, either. Either way, the plot lines system is too messy for this show. -Whomp 21:33, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, we're supposed to be bold, so I deleted it, and replaced with list of episodes. Iorek85 12:22, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rewrite proposal

This thing is a huge mess. Plot lines when their is a list of episodes, and list after list after list make it the perfect canidate to have a rewrite. Now, I could definetly help, but I can't do it myself. Any ideas to improve on? -Whomp 20:56, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it needs a complete rewrite. I think the plotlines section needs to be deleted, as I've said above. Some of the 'trivia' isn't, really, but otherwise, it's O.k.Iorek85 22:23, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Okay, changed to a cleanup tag. But the thing still is a bunch of lists. -Whomp 21:26, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I think it would be greatly improved if the Trivia could be included in normal paragraphs and not as lists. For example we could go like:

==Production==

Originally produced by [[McG]], who attended [[Corona del Mar High School]] in Newport Beach, the show was about to be named ''Orange County'', but a film with that name was released before the show, so the title was changed to '''The O.C.'''....

Just eliminated two trivia... --Alexignatiou 15:10, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Had a go at cleaning it up, but there aren't too many that can be removed. My cutoff for trivia is - if you don't know it by watching the show, then it's trivia. i.e kirsten being a W.A.S.P isn't trivia, but Brody's fear of water is. Iorek85 08:15, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I added back in the piece about Rachel Bilson and Melinda Clarke not being regulars at the begining, for people that haven't watched the show since season one, this is trivia. Crazynas 08:17, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I removed it again before reading this, sorry, but you'll note it is still mentioned nearer the top still, along with Luke; "Chris Carmack and Tate Donovan both were regular cast members during the first season while Rachel Bilson started as a guest star, even though Carmack and Donovan were not in every single episode during the season and Bilson was. Bilson was later added as a regular cast member, as was Melinda Clarke, while Carmack and Donovan were eventually dropped from the regular cast and soon thereafter removed completely from the show." I agree it's trivia, though. Iorek85 08:21, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Alright, didn't see that one. Crazynas 08:23, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


Well hang on, i only just started watching the OC half way through season 3, i need plot info so i can catch up on the two previous seasons that i missed--JG ROX 11:47, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Photos

Some photos from the episode list, that show guest characers could be put in the Guest Stars section to lighten them up. Please, try to find some pictures with main color other than orange, because it would still look bad. Everything would be orange, and I'm saying that we should be careful because most pictures in the list are orange. --Alexignatiou 15:15, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


Yeah but that's bcause its supposed tobe all sunset and stuff, orange is a key colour!!! LOL-- JG ROX

[edit] Spoiler

Don't you think that point on Marissa dying in the season finale should be given a bit more of a spoiler warning? If I find out who put that there I'm KILLING HIM! └ VodkaJazz / talk ┐ 23:04, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Looks like it's one of the usual pre-finale hypes Josh Schwartz is so fond of. Erased. └ VodkaJazz / talk ┐ 23:17, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Do we definitely know that Marissa dies, I mean I've seen some clips on the net (hasn't aire in Ireland yet) and I haven't lost hope!! 213.202.172.97 22:13, 24 May 2006 (UTC)CoNNorC
  • yes, we do definately know that she dies. on the the encyclopedia page it outlines the whole process--JG ROX 11:48, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SAT challenge words

I read somewhere that the first season of the OC used SAT challenge words in an effort to make people more intelligent. people complained that real teenagers didnt talk like that and they stopped writing the words into the script. I dont have a source, but if someone does you should add it to the trivia


Trivia: Adam Brody and his fear of water

Can anyone confirm that? According to theocshow.com, Brody spent a lot of time surfing. Doesn't that imply he's not aquaphobic?

[edit] New Section

For quick reference, I added a Cast & Characters section that encompasses all regulars, past, present and future, in one section:

Characters that have no season marking have been regulars since the Pilot.

Jwebby91 18:42, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Cast is already listen, please read article. Matthew Fenton (Talk | Contribs) 18:40, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not blind, I can clearly see the cast is listed. But I don't think it's necessary to have all those descriptions if each character has his or her own page. Jwebby91 18:42, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Because that is the way it has been done in this article and thats what makes it a good article. Matthew Fenton (Talk | Contribs) 18:46, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

yeah whatever.. it looks a lot neater this way, but whatever Jwebby91 19:00, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Neater? The current article is alot better. We dont have to list everything. The current version is much better in that it gives a back story/looks neat and tidy and is generally easily accesible. Matthew Fenton (Talk | Contribs) 19:03, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

ahaha you reported me.. that's pretty funny. whatever man Jwebby91 20:47, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually no i didnt, Matthew Fenton (Talk | Contribs) 20:51, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

"Mischa Barton played Marissa Cooper, the first of the "core four" to leave the series at the end of season three (episodes 1-76). Marissa was arguably the most conflicted of the main characters, battling with drug and alcohol addiction" I don't recall Marissa ever being addicted to drugs...she got some off Volchok once but I think that was it...?

[edit] "Spoilers" for season 4

Please don't add rumours from spoilerfix - they aren't even close to appropriate for Wikipedia. We present verifiable facts and viewpoints, not unconfirmed rumours, and especially not as fact. Even if you ignore that, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Iorek85 08:56, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notable guest stars

I was just looking at the list of guest stars and i was thinking, aren't there too many there especially for season 3? At the rate its going shouldn't we start adding the names of the extras that appear every week?? Most the names are relatively unknown, surely that can't make them 'notable' guest stars, shouldn't maybe a few be taken off? A couple don't even have articles about them. I'm not really bothered about it all, i'm only suggesting it. -- Ryan2807 13:03, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I think the red links should be took out. MatthewFenton (talk • contribs) 13:35, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Since there is a List of Recurring Characters in The O.C. I think someone could really reduce the guest stars on here Milchjon 23:16, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is this a good link?...

About a week ago, I tried adding a link, but it was reverted. Since I'm not as big of an OC Fan as you guys are, I was wondering if you think [tvrage dot com/The_OC this] would be a good external link. If you guys like it, you can add it if you want. --andrew 21:43, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Not notable enough for wiki; Also doesnt give any credit to sources etc (ie. i notice how the cast image is just a saved thumb of the wikipedia one.. which still has something i left on it when i cropped it nor does it credit an original source. Also it needs to have relevance to the article, which it doesnt; It covers stuff already covered. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 21:48, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Alright. Thanks for the feedback Matt. Sorry about before. --andrew 03:15, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

is now here while i do some work to it. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 14:50, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Information on Season 4

Shouldn't some information on season 4 be added now? I'm not talking about spoilers, but facts, since the first episode is available, and contains quite a lot of information on what has happened in the past few months (between season 3 and season 4).

[edit] Editing the navigation box?

How do I edit the navigation box at the bottom of the article? It seems I need to edit the "OCNavigation" tag, but I don't know how. I want to change the link of Rebecca Bloom to List_of_Recurring_Characters_in_The_O.C.#Rebecca_Bloom. Thanks for the help, Jayden54 12:58, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind, I figured it out myself, I had to edit the Template:OCnavigation article. Jayden54 13:03, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ratings

Looks like bad ratings again...[1] Mad Jack 18:23, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Probably means we won't have a fifth season of The O.C., and season 4 will probably only be 16 epi's. Should this rating figure be included in the article somewhere? At the moment it only has the premiere's rating. Jayden54 20:04, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Actually, what it probably means is that the current episodes may not be aired, and Fox will just cut the show off the schedule after a short awhile. Maybe air the remaining episodes during the summer (I'm also not sure if they've filmed all 16 yet) Mad Jack 22:54, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Season 4 canceled?

I've just reverted two edits made by 86.5.171.171, because I don't believe the changes that were made concerning the cancellation of season 4 are true. I've looked at the official website, and I couldn't find anything about it. If the information is in fact true, please add it back in, but make sure you also add a reference so it can be verified. Thanks! Jayden54 20:20, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Ahhh.. this page is becoming a mess wih all these annons adding information like this - we need to tidy it up and get it up to a better standard again. MatthewFenton (talk • contribs • count • email) 20:29, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Season 4 isn't the end yet, although some ignorant fan keeps deleting my contribution about its viewership diminshing in recent years. Its the truth, and people shouldn't be surprised if and when the show does go off the air. Saying its a success is a lie these days.--Sam-El 23:02, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] how many episodes

is it true that there is only going to be 16 episodes of the 4th season

At the moment, yes, FOX has only ordered 16 episodes, but if the ratings pick up (hopefully) we could get more episodes, so it all depends on the popularity of the show. Jayden54 10:50, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

do seth and summer break up in the 4th season

[edit] The anime in the background.

Was wondering if anyone could confirm this with me because I'm pretty sure that was a scene from the hentai series Cool Devices.

[edit] Malibu Shores

I was going to add in the 'Trivia' about the short-lived (10 episodes) 1996 Aaron Spelling show 'Malibu Shores', which has uncannily similarities to The OC. Anyway when I looked the Trivia section is gone! :O So yeah I have no idea where to put it, so it'd be great if someone could stick a wee mention to poor MS somewhere please!

Dustin ॐ 08:22, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Can you cite that it has similarities? Also the fact would be trivial its self (WP:AVTRIV). thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 08:32, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
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