Talk:The NeverEnding Story (film)

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I started this article so the original page could be used to describe the novel and give a brief description of the franchise. This film is important enough to have it's own article anyway. Buzda - 4 Oct 2005

Contents 1 Movie dates 2 Length of plot "summary" 3 Breaking the Fourth Wall 4 Article name 5 Requested move 5.1 Survey 6 Structural Organization of Page

[edit] Movie dates

I reverted the movie dates, the correct information was there previously, and consistent with IMDB:

http://www.imdb.com/find?q=neverending%20story;s=all

[edit] Length of plot "summary"

Am I the only one who feels that the plot summary delves into a bit too much detail? I really think plot summaries are supposed to give the reader a general idea of the plot of the film, not to serve as a suitable replacement for watching the movie. I've voiced this opinion in other articles related to entertainment media (such as TV shows) and have been shot down either by fans or those who feel there is no such thing as 'too much' information on Wikipedia. I was just wondering what the general consensus was in this case. =) — Indi ^{[ talk ]} 15:04, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, the sumary itself realy drops in terms of detail about half-way through, making it seem a bit inconsistant anyway. It could easily be trimmed into a two to three paragraph summary without straying too far from what we have now.

[edit] Breaking the Fourth Wall

People who've seen the movie are already quite familiar with the way the narative relates Bastian in 'reality' to the characters in the book. While it does technicaly go beyond breaking the fourth wall in terms of metafiction (as, for example, Atreyu can hear bastian screaming as he reads the book...) However, I find that people are genuinely ignorant of the film's further attempt to break the naratives actual fourth wall and make the characters take notice of the film audience. The most obvious example (and frequently overlooked among movie viewers for some reason...) involves the Childlike Empress's dialogue to Atreyu in which she explains to him that 'others' are sharing in Bastian's story in the same way he is sharing in Atreyu's. I've added a bit to the Trivia section, as it seems to be the best place to put it right now... if it belongs somewhere else (such as the sumary of the book, I don't know if the same method is incorperated to point Bastian to the reader) or in the summary somehow, I'd greatly appreciate this fact finding a place on wikipedia, as my experience finds it to be overlooked far to frequently by the general public.

[edit] Article name

If, as the article says, the movie is "better known by its English title 'The NeverEnding Story'" then shouldn't that be the title of the article? -- Chuq 08:57, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes; that is actually official policy:

Generally, article naming should give priority to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature. (from Wikipedia:Naming conventions)

--SigPig 16:19, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

Die Unendliche Geschichte (film) → The NeverEnding Story (film) – English title is better known in English-speaking world; should therefore be named in English in accordance with Wikipedia:Naming Conventions policy; article was originally named The NeverEnding Story, but moved to current title on basis of its entry at IMDb (IMDb is NOT the final arbiter of what movies are called on Wikipedia) SigPig 16:31, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

Add "* Support" or "* Oppose" followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~

• Support. (Obviously). --SigPig 16:33, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
• Support. This is English Wikipedia so the title should be in English despite what the title was in the original language.--NeilEvans 18:59, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
• Support per naming conventions.--Srleffler 01:42, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
• Support - I'll give it another day and if they is no opposition I'll move the article. (Shouldn't be a problem considering that the page was moved here without a vote at all) -- Chuq 02:51, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
• Support ~ trialsanderrors 05:53, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
• Support Daniel.Bryant 10:33, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Consensus reached; page has been moved -- Chuq 00:09, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually, revisiting this, I don't see the need for the (film) suffix. I just redirected The NeverEnding Story here. ~ trialsanderrors 23:23, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Structural Organization of Page

I think this page should be reorganized. I see no reason to omit a well written and full plot summary, although, it would make sense for there to be a smaller summary at the top (a paragraph would do). There should also be a full analisys section. Discussion of breaking the fourth wall would best go there and could link to many other stories, plays and movies that conceptually fall into the same category. Pointing out differences between the original source material and the story presented in the movie would also be useful. -- Jcolbyk 16:19, 22 November 2006 (UTC)