Talk:The Lord of the Rings (1978 film)

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Contents 1 Clean-up 2 (S)Aruman 3 Rotoscope? 4 Multilingual Wikipedia pages 5 Nazgul at the Prancing Pony (redux)

[edit] Clean-up

I reverted the article to an older version and cleaned it up. The last two versions were seriously messed up. I see an anonymous IP address tried to fix things, but he just made it worse. (Ibaranoff24 07:27, 13 July 2006 (UTC))

[edit] (S)Aruman

I've recently watched this film again (and even sober), and I can only recall a single reference to Aruman: Gandalf speaks the line just as he leaves the Shire for Isengard. As for other claimed references: there is a noticable bad sound quality in the entire film (due to audio compression?), and many times the first syllable of speech is cut off slightly. Since Saruman's name mostly occurs at the start of the sentence or as an exclamation in the rest of the film, this easily leads to part of the s sound being cut off. I think that explains most of them. (S)Aruman should be mentioned though, as it has taken on a life of its own in the Tolkien fan community: [1] -- Jordi·✆ 14:09, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

The name Aruman is mentioned twice in the film. The second time is when Gandalf and Aragorn are arguing about going through Moria. -- Jason Palpatine 16:33, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually the name is mentioned eleven times as Saruman and four times as Aruman

DVD Chapter 04 by Gandalf, before he leaves for Orthanc

DVD Chapter 16 by Gandalf, contemplating whether to go through Moria

DVD Chapter 17 by Boromir in front of the Moria Gate

DVD Chapter 22 by Frodo, looking in Galadriel's mirror

See? Iago4096 13:20, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rotoscope?

The movie was not only rotoscoped. Some of Bakshi's live action BW-material was tinted and included in the movie. In some of the battlescenes he even used tinted material from Eisenstein's classic Alexander Nevsky (1938). I did do some research on this. Will try to include this in the article as soon as I get around to it. Iago4096 13:10, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

• That article also claims that the film was not a financial success, which is completely untrue - it cost $8 million to make, and grossed over $30 million. Not a good source. Don't use. (Ibaranoff24 21:27, 9 August 2006 (UTC))
• Slight misunderstanding there. This is not a source I want to use. This is a paper I did for my Master's Degree. What I wanted to show you guys are the pictures, which are actual screencaps I made from the DVD, and which clearly are not rotoscope.Iago4096 13:35, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Multilingual Wikipedia pages

Okay, I don't know how accurate any of the alternate-language Wikipedia pages for this film are, as I am not currently proficiant in any language other than English, so if anyone has a clear understanding of any of these languages, and is able to easily translate English into these languages, they should go over the text on the alternate-language pages about this film, and make sure they accurate represent the text displayed in the English article (for instance, it is highly important that the alternate-language articles about the film don't make it out to be financially unsuccessful, which it was). Translate directly from this article if you have to. (Ibaranoff24 18:42, 16 August 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Nazgul at the Prancing Pony (redux)

I copied these out of the archives to add my comment to it.--Will.i.am 20:11, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

The section which claims that the scene of the Nazgul slashing bedding is not in the book is not very accurate, but I hesitate to delete a section that has a screen capture next to it. In the book it is quite clearly stated that the hobbit's beds were fixed up to appear as if they were present, and when they returned in the morning the bedding had been slashed apart. I had always assumed that it was in fact the Nazgul who destroyed the room.

You had always assumed wrong. It's a common assumption made by people who were introduced to the story through one of the film versions. But the Nazgul were never revealed as the perpetrators -- this is just the way Bakshi's animators had interpreted it. (Ibaranoff24 23:12, 23 January 2006 (UTC))

I don't know that the initial user assumed "wrongly". After rereading that section recently I feel like it's actually as ambiguous as the Balrog wings. Although, we do get a few hints that some people from Bree may be involved, there is (to my sight) no foolproof evidence either way. We (like the hobbits) will never know who actually slashed the beds. How about changing: This is almost identical to Bakshi's version which is significant as the scene is not depicted as described in the book: in the book, the attack is carried out by people from Bree, not the Nazgûl. to This is almost identical to Bakshi's version which is significant as the scene is not as ambiguous as in the book, wherein the attack may have been carried out by the Black Riders or the inhabitants of Bree.--Will.i.am 20:11, 9 December 2006 (UTC)