Talk:The K Foundation burn a million quid

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Copyedit & improve - lots of editorial opinion, badly organised [in progress] Too many low-value links Consider merging the K Foundation million-quid-burning section and this article into one, recycling the best material and zapping the bad [partly done, but K Foundation probably needs a bit more trimming] Did any media mention the burning before Jim Reid's article? Surely the local press must have got word that something had happened? The Library of Mu has no answer... Unless somebody can come up with an article from a reliable source about the Cape Wrath and/or a photo I have to say "they claimed that..."

Contents 1 Buddhism? 2 Merge? 3 Travel article 4 Lighter fluid

[edit] Buddhism?

There is buddhist parable of a very virtuous layman who sank his vast wealth in a lake so it would not corrupt others, and I think there may be other parallels in Buddhism. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.203.35.145 (talk • contribs) .

As far as that goes, I've seen a modern re-make of this story, in a Thai movie called "69". A heap of money is left accidentally in front of a girls door. She tries to claim it, but as more and more people involved with the money turn up and die, she eventually drops the whole suitcase of money into a lake.

Anyway, I'm not particularly convinced this K-foundation project had anything to do with Buddhism... I'd say its modern art at it's prime - if modern art aims to provoke, than burning a heap of money is about as provocative as it gets. This act stirs up more emotions and controversy than ten other modern art projects combined. --213.172.246.40 15:29, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Interesting comments and some food for thought too. Thank you. --kingboyk 10:55, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

and of course there is the native north american tradition of the Potlatch, where rich people hold parties and give gifts so that wealth is spread around and jealousy is reduced and community harmony promoted. Although perhaps the Rites of Mu fits more in to that mould than the burning. - Drstuey 10:37, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge?

We have info about the burning across two articles. I wonder if this ought to become an article about the K Foundation burning a million pounds rather than an article about the film? Alternatively, we could start again with a blank page, and paste back in the non-editorialising material which is really about the film, move other good material to K Foundation, and discard the rest. Thoughts? --kingboyk 15:31, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Keep this article as about the film, i.e. including the screenings and film history. Move the analysis and reaction to the K Foundation page section. Update all the links on other pages that go to this page to go the K Foundation page section instead.  ?????

I seem to remember that I included so much info in this page because I was scared that someone would pull a 'this didn't happen' line, or a 'the analysis section is original research' line. By making the page about the film, I felt I could get that info in more easily. - Drstuey 10:32, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I dunno. It's quite hard. Whoever wrote these articles - you, presumably - has a tremendous knack for telling an interesting story, but didn't cite anything :) We also have to try and shape the material to fit into some sort of sensible structure, to give each stage of the KLF's career the best chance of becoming a Featured Article - quite a lot has changed in the organisation of the KLF articles since these were written. (There's for sure enough material to get at least one FA for the K Foundation, btw).

I've taken the knife to K Foundation art award today, but K Foundation still troubles me as does this article. Don't get me wrong, I think this is a great article but I've no idea how I can move it from being a great read to being a Featured Article on "burning era" K Foundation. More difficult still is what to do with K Foundation itself - I suppose that needs to become a summary piece.

Anyway, I'll plod on adding facts and juicy quotes from the sources and see what we get :) --kingboyk 20:36, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

hey hey, no, there was no citing done in those days, back in the mists of time. Yes large portions of the writing were copied from the KLF mailing list FAQ, which I wrote the first version and then others added to. And yes there are swathes and swathes of original research about the place which I had hoped would stay in there without refs, but hey ... I agree it is difficult what to call the article, since it is about more than the film itself, however The K Foundation burn a million quid is not exactly an encyclopedic title (much as, as a fan, I like it) - K Foundation money burning episode is more encyclopedic? cheers Drstuey 10:48, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

I think it's an acceptable title, because "burning a million quid" is invariably what they called it. Whatever name we choose, we have to keep "million" in there - otherwise they might have burnt a fiver which isn't quite as sensational :) Since we both like the title let's keep it this way for now, it's easy enough to change if anyone complains or comes up with something better?? --kingboyk 11:14, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Travel article

where can this new article be used - http://travel.guardian.co.uk/countries/story/1,,1842557,00.html - I have already used it in future screenings. - Drstuey 10:32, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Nice article, but not sure it adds much in the way of fact we haven't already covered. Anyway, leave the link here I'll see what use I can make of it when I next do some KLF work, if you don't do it in the meantime :) --kingboyk 10:54, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lighter fluid

There's a link to Lighter fluid, which was a redirect to butane but is now a disambiguation to 4 types of lighter fluids. Which is the one referred to in this article? CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 08:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

No idea boss, no lighter fluid experts round here :) --kingboyk 13:20, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

presumably it is butane, as the compound in cigarette lighters, but it is not appropriate to link directly to Butane, that would be confusing for non-chemists surely. Hmm, I've forgotten what the reference actually says, exactly, about the moment, I mean did Gimpo squirt fluid onto the cash and get the matches out and was stopped just in time or did he stand there shaking the can of lighter fluid and matches for ages, threatening, calling Rachel Whiteread's bluff? Drstuey 09:52, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

From what I've been reading, he was fumbling around for the fluid, presumably he then he got the money soaked because he said he had it covered in petrol but was told to wait for 2 more minutes. Whiteread ran out of the Tate with a couple of heavies and they grabbed the loot. --kingboyk 10:38, 28 September 2006 (UTC)