Talk:The Haitian

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[edit] Big speculation

If Sylar can negate powers to an extant, as he seemed to in Fallout, the Haitian may have been nullifying those negation powers in Homecoming. This would mean that the Haitian's nullifying powers are stronger than Sylar's, and explain why Eden's powers worked on Sylar in Homecoming. Only problem is that I fear this is big speculation. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 07:45, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

It is. Eden willed Sylar not to attack then put him to sleep. The Haitian didn't seem to do anything. My guess would be that like the Voice in the Dune series, Sylar just figured out how to resist it. He's good at that sort of thing. The only powers he is confirmed capable of nullifying are mentally-oriented ones. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:59, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

So what happens if Peter meets the Haitian?--Syd Henderson 05:11, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

We will probably get to find out. Peter meeting Matt was weird enough...--Hypergeometric2F1(a,b,c,x) 05:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] His power description

Can we come to a consensus on what to list under his "superpower" description on his template other than "telepathy"? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hypergeometric2F1(a,b,c,x) (talk • contribs) 08:56, 5 December 2006 (UTC).

"One-way" telepathy? "Disruptive" telepathy? It's fine as just telepathy. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 09:22, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I think Telepathy is a good description. He hasn't shown any mind-reading abilities, however, I think that at least memory-reading abilities are implied by the way he can selectively erase very specific things. The ability to read memories in real-time seems pretty close to mind-reading. The telepath-blocking ability may be passive because Mr. Bennet and the Haitian didn't seem to be aware Matt was watching them at Primatech Paper, and Matt was still blocked. --Stabbey 13:57, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

His ability to block/hinder the effects of other Heroes' power seems to be a form of Power negation. -Dr Haggis - Talk 00:37, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Possibly, but it's not a general power negation, Nathan was able to fly away. So far he's only been shown to inhibit mind reading or mind influencing powers. I'm sticking with Telepathy for the moment. --Stabbey 04:18, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Didn't the Haitian negate Sylar's telekentic abilities also?--Hypergeometric2F1(a,b,c,x) 05:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
It's not clear if the Haitian was preventing Sylar from using his powers or if it was the construction of the room or something else entirely. In the last graphic novel, (spoiler) Bennet and the Haitian run into Sylar's cell immediately after he uses his powers to bring Eden through the glass, so Sylar was able to use his powers even with the Haitian nearby. Of course, it's not clear if the Haitian has to "turn on" his powers, either - we just don't know the exact nature or extent of his power negating ability. -Big Smooth 18:01, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
The Haitian's telepathic jamming seems to be a passive effect. He and Mr. Bennet didn't seem to be aware of Matt watching him outside of Primatech Paper. Given how cover-up happy and paranoid he is, I doubt Mr. Bennet wanted Matt to see him with the Haitian. --Stabbey 21:33, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

The Haitian has not exhibited the power of telepathy, which the Wikipedia article defines as "the communication of information from one mind to another by means other than the known perceptual senses". He can erase memories and can interfere with telepathy, but he has not demonstrated the ability to communicate with his mind. It is misleading to the reader to say that telepathy is his power. Primogen 21:39, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I replace "Telepathy" in the info box with "Memory removal" and "Telepathy interference", since these two descriptions better convey to the reader what powers the Haitian has actually demonstrated on the show. Primogen 21:50, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "oddly enough"

"However oddly enough, when the Haitian, accompied by Mr. Bennet, attempt to capture Nathan Petrelli from a hotel, Petrelli is able to fly away, appearing to have his powers fully intact." - this appears twice in the article. Maybe he has to be close enough to the victim to nullify his/hers power. Maybe Petrelli surprised them and got out of range before The Haitian could do anything. There's no indication that Bennet knows everyone's speciffic abilities. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.106.116.66 (talk) 00:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

There's no indication that the Haitian could block Nathan's ability even if he knew about it. We've only seem him blopck telepathic and mind control attempts so far. Besides, Power Negation and Memory Erasure seem to be two distinct abilities, Mr. Benent's dialogue indicated they've only met people who had one ability do far. --Stabbey 21:33, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
He blocked Peter's mimicry powers (and/or Claire's powers) so that he was unable to duplicate Claire's healing factor when they were in jail. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.28.111.204 (talk) 11:45, 11 December 2006 (UTC).
It's more likely that Peter's illness was caused by an overdose of powers. He was near Claire, Matt and Nathan in a close space of time. I presumed that was the cause, not anything about healing powers reversing, especially since he's been away from Claire between his "death" and seeing her in prison, and he doesn't keep powers permanently. Jacobshaven3 11:52, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pretends to be mute.

Should we mention that he pretended to be mute. When Eden was trying to get Mr.Bennet to kill Sylar she mentions that "he would tell you to if he could speak" while looking at the hatian, and then he speaks to Calra. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.157.5.206 (talk) 18:39, 10 December 2006 (UTC).

We should add that the Haitian doesn't speak until near the end of "Fallout" and that Eden believes him to be mute. We don't know if he was intentionally deceiving anyone, though. Primogen 19:05, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Interference of mental-based superpowers

I've removed that as being original research. For the time being, all we know is that he can interfere with powers. However, we do not know if this is only mental based powers, or superpowers in general. Being specific like that and saying that he can block mental powers only is wrong because no one has said that yet. dposse 21:18, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I rhink you made a good move, dposse. Certain scenes in the show have implied that the Haitian interferes with Matt's telepathy, and the Matt character has observed that the Haitiain was nearby when his telepathy hasn't worked. Because of that, people have inferred that the reason that Mr. Bennet told Eden that "her powers won't work here" when she was first captured was because the Haitian was present. As for Sylar's psychokinesis during his captivity, people have assumed that the Haitian was preventing him from using it (although Bennet and the Haitian felt comfortable enough to leave the building while Sylar was in his cell, suggesting that they trusted that something else was keeping Sylar's powers in check). But neither the show nor any other source to my knowledge has ever stated directly that the Haitian can block powers. Primogen 21:47, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Thank you, but i'm not saying that he can't block powers. I believe he can block powers, but i think saying that he blocks only "mental based" ones when there is no evidence one way to the other is wrong. Perhaps there is middle ground here, like we did with Micah? Or shall we wait until the second part of season one? dposse 00:44, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
I think he can block powers too, but I don't think any episode has direct evidence of this. Several episodes strongly implied he can block mental powers, but I don't know if it meets the standard of verifiability. I think we did directly see Micah using a power to affect the phone -- we just can't point to a source saying exactly what that power is. So, I'm not sure that we can say that the Haitian can block powers yet -- especially since Bennet told Sylar that he's never seen anyone before with more than one power. Primogen 05:16, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I think that his ability to disrupt abilities and to erase memories is the same ability, I'm just struggling to find a good term to cover it. firstly, I don't think he does block abilities. So far the only things he's done is stop (partially) mind reading, and stop "persuasion", both abilities that effect more than one person. I think he can telepathically prevent someone from being affected by a power, like giving someone a mental shield. Thus why he couldn't stop Nathan (though it could be that he just wasn't expecting it to happen) or Sylar (If he could stop Sylar, why bother using Eden to catch him, HRG could have just gotten the haitian to stand near him and knock him out, or even before that, get the Haitian to bodyguard Claire. It's actually possible, that he can cloak parts of the mind, preventing susceptibility, and also erasing memories (by making a permanent cloak that the target couldn't sense), which would explain how he can do both. Though all of this is OR, any attempts to guess his powers is, so I thought I'd drop by another idea. Jacobshaven3 11:10, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

On further comment, we haven't actually seen him block someone using their power, we've merely seen him make a power uneffective. For example, when Matt was in the bar, he could hear everyone, except the Haitian, it wasn't that the Haitian block Matt using his power, he prevented his thoughts being detected.Jacobshaven3 11:26, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
After Matt unsuccessfully tried to read Claire's thoughts while she was being interviewed by Audrey, he said that he felt interference. The show then implied that the Haitian was causing the interference by showing his presence right after Matt makes the comment. I'm not sure that's direct enough to make any claims in the article, but if it is, the term I would use is "telepathy interference." Primogen 19:45, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
I think we should just leave it as "unspecified power negation" for now. Just like with Micah, until we get some definative proof either way, it should be catagorized as "unspecified power negation". dposse 20:19, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
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