Talk:The Fat Duck
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[edit] Assorted clay
That would really be an interesting snack. Some pieces of sweet clay to end a dinner. Geophagy is described as "a practice of eating earthy substances such as clay, often to augment a mineral-deficient diet", but many people around the world eat it because they like it. Just add some sugar and salt to the mix of water and minerals that is going to be clay (what decides the taste in how the crystals are made, just like in chocolate), cut the clay in flat and square pieces and cover them with chocolate. Maybe it would taste good?
[edit] Join with article on Heston?
Perhaps joing this article with the article on Heston Blumenthal -- there is quite a bit of overlap in the two articles and since the main interest in the restaurant is the techniques he uses is seems to make sense.
Agree, there is not enough information that just relates to Heston Blumenthal to have his own named page. It would be good to add more info to his page and keep it, so perhaps just move any non-duplicated information from his page onto Fat Duck, and then from a striped down page people might add some stuff.
[edit] NPOV
This article reads like an ad for the restaurant. I don't see how to fix it without removing lots of info. 81.1.76.44 18:29, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't think this reads like an advert, more quite a good descriptive. However, the addition of some (constructive) detractive comments is never a bad thing for balance.
Agree that it sounds like an ad, perhaps some links to less than enthusiastic reviews might provide balance?
Jan Moir at the Daily Telegraph, "While one can admire the skill, how bored with life, lunch and eating lotuses do you have to be to find this kind of culinary joke a thrill?": http://www.telegraph.co.uk/wine/main.jhtml?xml=/wine/2004/01/31/edmoir31.xml
Wolfram Siebeck (influential German reviewer) Die Zeit, "Fart of Nothingness": http://www.signandsight.com/features/212.html
Online diner reviews at London Eating, 50/50 divine/inedible: http://www.london-eating.co.uk/1801.htm
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- It wasn't that long ago that this restaurant was voted best restaurant in the world. Many reviewers obviously think so. While it does sound like an ad, in this case it's not far at all from the truth. Leave the article as is, I say. --Commking 08:06, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
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- The tone is what's problematic, not the content. FAL 07:18, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
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- Feel free to change it.. --Commking 07:27, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
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This restaurant's 'philosophy' is reminiscent of a Hans Christian Andersen fairy tale, long live the king.
[edit] Proposed Merge
As pointed out in the talk page of Talk:The Fat Duck, both articles have substantially the same content, indeed the main interest in The Fat Duck is the unique techniques employed by Heston Blumenthal. There’s not really enough information to justify two articles. --Nige 21:35, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
- A reasonable suggestion. Content pretty much the same, with the FD being the product of the application of food science research by Heston. A redirect, leaving the categories the Fat Duck fits into here would seem appropriate and much easier to maintain. It also might allow removal of some of the POV - the present FatDuck article is more like a Sunday Times restuarant critique! Rgds, - Trident13 01:07, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Might be reason not to - inasmuch as he seems to be "broadening" somewhat - the Hind's Head and BBC TV series to the point where Fat Duck (alone) != H.B. perhaps. H
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- Support merging The Fat Duck into Heston Blumenthal for the reasons listed above. DavyJonesLocker 20:18, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. One of the best restaurants in the UK deserves an article independent of its head chef. --Oldak Quill 20:24, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- Support: The legacy of the man will live longer than the restaurant, I imagine. The restaurant would be nothing without the man. I am listening to Desert Island Discs as I write this, and he spoke of an anecdotal story of how a local had detracted him, because the site of the restaurant had 3 different owners in 5 years. (retrospective signature: Macca7174 14:27, 10 November 2006 (UTC))
- Oppose. Both the restaurant and chef are more than notable enough to have their own article.Bertilvidet 20:37, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. The current TV series, and a number of books by Heston have little to do with the restaurant except association. The restaurant, as one of the top in the world, should have its own page. charliebrake 13:35, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. for the same reasons as charliebrake V8rik 17:18, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose silly suggestion, they woulf have to be demerged at some point. Jooler 22:28, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. A restaurant does define a chef, but the other way round. Blumenthal has two already (AFAIK), Ramsey has several, Blanc has several, etc. The articles should stand alone. JimmyWee 21:03, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Independent restaurant reviews
I think a link to Square Meal would be appropriate for this article because they provide an independent guide to restaurants around the UK, and the site also has a review of The Fat Duck restaurant and chef Heston Blumenthal. (This link)
Mitesh03 12:19, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
- Mitesh03, is this a site you are connected with in any way (owner, contributor, etc.)? Idontthinkso 12:45, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi, yes I am affiliated with Square Meal, its one of the biggest and most highly regarded INDEPENDENT restaurant guides. I stress independent. I think the reviews that we write would benefit articles such as this one and create a fair and open dialogue, what wiki aims to do.
I don’t know how I can add to these articles or create new ones using the content that we already have – where others could add to. I obviously don’t want to spam the site so any help on this matter would be great. Mitesh03 09:42, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
- Under Wikipedia guidelines in Wikipedia:External links you should not directly add links to sites with which you are affiliated; it is considered a conflict of interest. However, you may, on the discussion page of pages, suggest a link. Wikipedia editors are likely to respond negatively, however, to anything they see as targeting multiple articles with links to the same site. There does not seem to be anywhere to propose this, unfortunately, and Wikipedia doesn't seem to have an overall policy on whether reviews (of anything) are desirable as links. It may be worth seeking advice on Wikipedia:Help desk. It may also be worth seeking some citations to back up "highly regarded" - e.g. newspaper reports, if you seek to set yourself apart from the countless other restaurant review sites. Notinasnaid 10:06, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
