Talk:The Evolution Control Committee

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More recently, ECC ripped off hardly-establishment comedy site "The Onion" by lifting the text from a joke article entitled "HOLY SHIT Man Lands On Fucking Moon". While previous works have skewed more toward sampling from and taking apart media conglomerates, merely ripping off an internet comedy webpage rather than a giant corporate monopoly seems to hint at a dry well of creativity and originality.

Anyone think that the Robin Hood/Free Use act falls down when you start attacking small creators rather than giant media monopolies? Does the ECC welcome people ripping them off in the same manner?

I'd hardly call it ripping off since they do provide source credit in the album. And The Onion isn't quite as small as you would think. --Paul Soth 22:50, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Oh, they're not as small as we think? They're not just a few guys working on their college newspaper anymore, so that makes it OK to rip them off then. Let's pat the ECC on the back. By the way, the folks at the Onion claim to have been unaware that the entire text of their Moon joke article had been lifted en masse for this 'song'. But hey, the ECC 'credited' them, so that makes it all better. For their next for-profit album, perhaps they should read an entire Steven King novel over some music. After all, won't it be 'OK' as long as they "Provide source credit"? --Taniwha

Copyright violation for the nation. And you know, that might not be a bad idea, even if it would be rather long. Why don't you talk to Mark at markg@evolution-control.com and share some ideas. --Paul Soth 07:31, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Share ideas with Mark? I'm sure the ECC doesn't need anyone to 'share' ideas with them. They're obviously perfectly capable of using other people's ideas already. By the way, I'd love if you could explain to me, why you feel that copyright violation is a pure good. Do you feel that there are any cases in which an artist should not resent having their work taken from them and used without their permission, without compensation? Is it just the teenage immature rebellion attitude behind stealing other people's work that makes it so 'naughty cool'?

I guess I don't see any non-hostile, non-immature, non-selfish reason to go and kipe someone else's work en masse. How about explaining it to me? For that matter, what exactly makes it OK to take from someone else's work? Is it the credit? Does credit override the need for permission? --Taniwha

I suggest looking into Bastard Pop and Culture jamming if you wish to know more. It's audio collage, take from it what you will. Be amused, be offended, just be anything, that's the point. By the way, The Onion is cool with them about "The Fucking Moon" track considering that they featured and interviewed the ECC in August 2002 (Volume 39 Number 32). --Paul Soth 07:35, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

I wanted to know YOUR opinion on why it's OK to steal someone else's work for your own purposes, not read a link to an article. Rather than the 'audio collage' argument, what's the moral argument, from YOUR point of view? I'm glad to hear that the Onion is cool with the ECC copypasting their work; does that excuse copyright violation en masse? EDIT: I guess you need not bother. The article you linked to clearly explains what I had felt: "Critically, explain Heath and Potter, most of society's problems (and rules) are traceable to collective action problems, not traits inherent in cultures as most culture jammers believe, a mistake which leads them to attempt to disrupt the existing social order with very few results. It also allows people to wrongly claim a political element to their lifestyle preferences, or glorify criminality as a form of dissent."--Taniwha

What does this all have to do with wikipedia? Jdcooper 11:51, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Gunderson

The article repeatedly refers to "Gunderson", without stating who he is or what he has to do with the group. It doesn't even list a first name. If anyone knows anything further about this, please fill it in. -Branddobbe 04:47, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

It says "Mark Gunderson" in the very first sentence of the article which also identifies him as the founder of the group. --Paul Soth 09:35, 3 September 2006 (UTC)