Talk:The End (A Series of Unfortunate Events)

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This article has been kept following this AFD debate. Sjakkalle (Check!) 12:51, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Please note, this is not the place to discuss the book, focus on the article only.

[edit] Phrases from the Bad Beginning

I am removing this section, along with quite a bit of other original research. Unless this is mentioned by Lemony Snicket/Daniel Handler in an interview or other statement, I am saying this original research. Clamster5 23:10, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Book the last

An editor thinks that the book should be described at Book the thirteenth and book the last. I like the way Snicket numbers his books, but in Wikipedia we use standard English syntax. These articles are not only for fans of the books, so we must use language appropriate to curious outsiders. Ronstew 22:02, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Clamster5 22:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

But do you really think that anyone who doesn't know that it comes from the author will be confused by it? --Chitomcgee 03:13, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Does it matter? If you want to fix the title headings the way you want, do it on some Snicket-pedia, not Wikipedia.--CyberGhostface 03:56, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity (and I'm not trying to be condescending or anything either), where does it say that we have to use standard English syntax? Isn't Wikipedia, in a sense, a Snicket-pedia? It's the -pedia for anything, because it's the -pedia for everything. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with the current title headings (the first book, the second book, etc.), all I'm saying that it would raise the curiousity level of this particular article, the series as a whole, and Wikipedia as a whole. A curious outsider would come across the page, see "book the thirteenth," and think, "That's a interesting way to write it, and it sure caught my attention. I think I'll read some more," which they would then do. Then, they'd think, "Wow, that article was interesting! I'll read a few different articles," but before they'd do that, they'd purchase The End from amazon.com. Now, I understand how extremely far-fetched that scenario was, but since putting "book the thirteenth," at least in my opinion, isn't hurting anything, why not leave it and have the afore mentioned scenario be a possibilty? --Chitomcgee 04:49, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Other wikis are more lenient on bending the rules and fancruft...for example, on a Star Wars wikipedia you might find a page on a very minor EU character who wouldn't be notable enough for their own here.

Wikipedia discusses all different types of fiction, but that doesn't mean we should change our grammar to suit that.

And I really don't think grammar either way is to going to sway a new reader.--CyberGhostface 11:50, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

But you still haven't told me where it says that "book the last" is improper grammar for Wikipedia, or how that'd be "chaning our grammar." That's like saying "the first of September" is more proper than "September the first." They're both proper, just as "book the last" and "the last book" are both equally proper, and since "book the last" has more relevance to the article, since it comes directly from the book, I believe we should use that format. --Chitomcgee 20:31, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Is "September the first" even grammatically accurate to begin with? I don't know. Nothing came up with that prhase on the google search. And even if it was accurate, out of the two, "the first of September" is the most familar and is the one I would use. So I wouldn't say they are equally proper.--CyberGhostface 21:25, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

The fact that one is more common and familiar is irrelevant to the fact that they are both correct usage. --Chitomcgee 01:57, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Its very relevant. Its why we say Empire Strikes Back is the second film in the Star Wars trilogy, not 'film the second'.--CyberGhostface 02:39, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

The reason we call it "the second film" is because the producers told us it was "the second film." Had they said "film the second," we'd know it as film the second. That argument was pretty week. Yo u'rebasing it off of how it was introduced to the world. The books were introduced as "book the 1st, 2nd, etc.", and you've verified my point. --Chitomcgee 03:51, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm basing it off on the common usage of the english language. This is supposed to be a nuetral encyclopedia on various works of fiction (among other topics of course), not some place to modify the text to make it more like Snicket's writing style. These articles should be about Snicket's works, but that doesn't mean they should be written in his style. If you want that, read the books and not an encyclopedia.--CyberGhostface 18:34, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay, that was a good point, and you've changed my mind. 'Twas fun engaging in this argument! --Chitomcgee 04:12, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Exactly opinion has Cyberghostface my summarised. Ronstew 20:48, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

You're not funny. --Chitomcgee 04:12, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough comment. I should know better than to choose Vice Principal Nero as a role model. I am glad that you changed your mind. Ronstew 06:56, 13 December 2006 (UTC)