Talk:The Diplomats
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we should probably just merge this with the Diplomat Records page...
Sounds like its written by a fan.
- Agreed. Mad$ 21:26, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- Well, maybe... But maybe not. Diplomats Records is definitely not the same as the group The Diplomats (however, the boundaries are sort of floating/non-existing even, in many cases - however, originally The Diplomats(group) was just Cam'ron, Juelz Santana and Jim Jones.). But I *do* agree this article currently needs quite a lot of rewriting/editing. -- A-ixemy 00:26, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Disambiguation
Yeah there's an old soul or blues group called The Diplomats, so a disambiguation page would be appropraite, as well as an article for the "old" Diplomats. --A-ixemy 02:59, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] These guys sicken me
ALL this was just NPOV, totally meaningless, comments - which belongs in some forum and not Wikipedia (not the :talk pages either). Therefore I have removed it all......... -- A-ixemy 00:23, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Hm
I must say, watching the page and discussion page get edited back and forth is pretty amusing
--Gooberliberation 10:16, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] more cleanup needed
This article is in very bad shape. In particular, the "Current members" section is very confusing and impossible to understand.
My take is that The Diplomats are a music group. The "Curreent members" section, then, should list members of that group. I've deleted people who aren't members and are listed because they're signed with same record label as The Diplomats.
There's at least a couple that remain. A couple of artists are mentioned as being "Affiliated with The Diplomats", but their capacity in the group is not described. I think they should be removed, too, unless their roles can be clarified.
There are several passages that were written in heavy slang. I've simply deleted them, since they described releases and groups that are not from The Diplomats.
The section that starts "members were signed performers" doesn't make much sense to me; it seems out of context. The article doesn't give any indication what "became excusive" means.
Can someone help clean up these issues?
-- Mikeblas 01:40, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Can someone put 40 Cal, Bugs, and Jha Jha in separate articles?
I think they deserve mention outside this article. Who's with me? -- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tom Danson (talk • contribs).
- There's not enough material in this page to form an article greater than a substub for any of those people. I'm against it; particularly when so much cleanup is needed on the article we have here now. -- Mikeblas 04:13, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Clarification
For those of you that do not understand it...it is actually quite simple.
There is a rap group called The Diplomats. They consist of Cam'Ron, Jim Jones, Freekey Zeekey, Juelz Santana, Hell Rell, J.R. Writer, 40 Cal., Jha'Jha, DukeDaGod, Jay Bezel, Chubbie Baby, S.A.S. and newly signed Katt Williams.
Also closely affiliated with The Diplomats are rappers Tom Gist, A-Mafia, Ash & Sen, Max B and Lil' Jah.
As far as Diplomat Records is concerned, all of THE DIPLOMATS are signed to Diplomat Records. A-Mafia is signed to Duke Productions/Diplomat Records. Max B is signed to Byrdgang/Diplomat Records. Tom Gist and Ash & Sen are not officially signed to Diplomat Records, but are considered to be affiliated members. Lil' Jah is Juelz Santana's nephew (Twin is his father; Juelz's brother) and also raps and is featured on mixtapes and albums.
There is an extended movement of DipSet involving the following:
Byrd Gang Records. This is headed by Jim Jones. Max B is signed here. NOE, Stack Bundles, and Mel Matrix are all signed here as well.
Santana's World Entertainment is headed by Juelz Santana and can be viewed as housing his small team of lil' Jah, Bezel, and Twin (even though Twin doesn't rap).
Writer's Block Records is headed by J.R. Writer and has rappers (Fred Money, Show, Blitz McBain), producers (Spectacular), deejays (DJ Plat), and promoters/a&r's/etc (Jus W.B., Nino, Scrilla).
Purple City Productions, which consists of Shiest Bubz, Agallah, Un Kasa, Alleyway, Ike Eyes, Den 10, Smoke & Numbers, Mike Boogie, and Enorm. Purple City has since branched to include Purple City Canada (members are Bricktop & Young Dutch).
The Senate is also a close affiliate, connected via Juelz Santana and Un Kasa. Un Kasa is a member of The Senate, along with Taj Mahal, Thump Mandoza, Sammy G, Louis Vuitton, Knight, TuneRaiders, Jus-One, Unstoppable, I.V., Middle Men, and G-Off Duty.
The TuneRaiders have a production company that is home to themselves and Blend King. They have also partnered with rapper, Justice, to form Supa Gang Records & The Fam.
The Eurogang & The Fedayeen Regime are rappers and producers with ties to S.A.S. The Eurogang consists of S.A.S., Haze, Baby Blue, D. Consigliere, Rephan and Bigz. The Fedayeen Regime consists of Rephan, Mr. Pork Dudley, Red Army, Sem, Dutchbeetz, Dutchbeetz Europe (76 Beats, 76 Beats South, Ruger, Young Rusha).
As far as other affiliates are concerned. The Diplomats have a Southern Label via Diplomat Records currently being established. Its first artist is Virginia native, Rabbi. They also have a pro-skate team, DipSkate (Mel Boogie, Johnny Blanko, Cali).
Un Kasa has Krayon Box Records which is home to Street Heataz & Family Comes First. Agallah has Propane Piff Entertainment which is home to Ghetto Rock Starz & Alexander Band.
Other affiliates include Luca Brazi of The Taliban. He is closely tied to The Diplomats and Purple City. Bugz of Tha Teamstas is closely tied with Juelz Santana.
- I think there's some minor errors here. But at least it's a good overview of all the people involved, anyway.... But just to give examples - Well, I think *diplomats* the group at least in the beginning was just Juelz, Cam'ron and Jim Jones... Now, you might say it's those three, as well as Hell Rell, J.R. Writer, Freekey Zeekey, Jha Jha, Duke da God - and maybe Katt Williams. I'm not entirely sure about the status of Jay Bezel, ok, maybe he is part of Diplomats as well. 40 Cal, Chubbie Baby and S.A.S would be more like associated artists, I think ("In the movement" so to say, but not part of the *main* group). Also, I don't think Tom Gist is so closely affiliated with The Diplomats - isn't he british, and therefore part of Eurogang/Fedayeen? At least that's my impression.
- That was just a couple examples based on what I know as correct. - A-ixemy 12:58, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Further Clarification
The Children Of The Corn was the first rap group Cam'Ron was in. Some view it as the foundation for DipSet. It was comprised of Digga (producer), Big L, Bloodshed, Killa Cam, Murda Ma$e, and McGruff.
Tha Riot Squad is headed by Stack Bundles and is affiliated via Byrdgang. It consists of Stack Bundles, Bynoe, Cau2g$, and Chinx Drugz. There is also a faction called Tha Riot Squad South.
[edit] Update
I cleaned up the discography to limit it to just Diplomats & Their Members' Releases. I included Byrd Gang & Writer's Block because they are so closely related. I updated the Members Section to have everyone who is in The Diplomats, Byrd Gang Records, Writer's Block Records, Santana's World Entertainment, DipSouth, and DipSkate.
[edit] Stop Changing It
Whoever keeps changing the discography and dipset family section is wrong and doesn't know what they are talking about. You have further confused people and distorted the coherence of the article. And I assure you that I know more than you do and please do not change it after I correct it this time. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wiki-wiki1 (talk • contribs).
- This article is a train wreck. I've fixed the poor formatting (that you're insisting is correct). If you want to discuss changes, please use the talk page for that conversation -- but posting "don't know what you're talking about" isn't conducive to a better article. -- Mikeblas 02:14, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] split?
I've removed the split tag. I can't see what needs to be disambiguated in this article, and the talk page doesn't contain any notes explaining why a split was suggested. -- Mikeblas 02:18, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Links to Terrorism
Prior to Diplomat Records Cam and Jim Jones named it Taliban Records but changed it due to pressure from their label. Prior to the commercial release of "Diplomatic Immunity" several underground releases refrenced Taliban records - which were also incorporated in the rhymes. Trajedy 10:01 06 Oct 2006
[edit] Vandalism
Someone has vandalized this page talking about "gay orgys" and when I go to edit that out of the page, it's not there but it's still in the article. Can someone (who has the ability) please remove this. Thankyou. It's only shown when you click "The Diplomats" link on Jim Jones' Wikipedia page. - Anonymous. 11:00 EST 11/4/2006
[edit] This is messed up
This entire page is messed up Dipset is from Harlem not Kentucky aqnd there is no label by them called MeandMyGuitar records. Please fix
[edit] Im sorry
Im sorry for attemping to many changes but this is wrong Tim Magraw is not apart of dipset
[edit] Killa Ben
i dono if I shooda added him, hes parto Dipset, but not notably, I know his cousin from Hebrew High (teacher) so Killa Ben is a jew like me :), anyway, i said ballin in his class and he said, "okay jim jones," then someone asked how he knew that and he said his cousin works for dipset--NJ Rock 05:28, 11 December 2006 (UTC)NJ Rock
[edit] Freekey Zeeky
I don't believe the two pages should be merged because once he makes his debut, he'll need to be established as his own artist and facts about him will come and it will be too much for the Dipset article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by NJ Rock (talk • contribs) 05:34, 11 December 2006 (UTC).
