Talk:The Bourne Supremacy (film)

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Why was the opening part of the article deleted? Specifically "The Bourne Supremacy is a 2004 film based loosely on the Robert Ludlum novel of the same name. It is also a sequel to the 2002 film The Bourne Identity. Supremacy continues the story of the amnesiac and expert assassin, Jason Bourne and his attempt to learn more of his shadowy past." K1Bond007 20:27, Sep 19, 2004 (UTC)

The text was still there, but the addition of the Jason Bourne template without a space between it and the paragraph caused the paragraph not to display. That's been fixed. RickK 20:51, Sep 19, 2004 (UTC)

That was me. Sorry about that - didn't realise that it could happen or that it had. violet/riga (t) 21:06, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

There is no mention of Gretkov's arrest by the FSB in the article, I don't want to append anything, because I may not have fully comprehended that scene, but I really think it should be added. Anyone able to do this? 04:07, Jun 29, 2006 (UTC)

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Contents 1 Protesters 2 POV? 3 Inaccuracies 4 Fan Reaction

[edit] Protesters

Any chance that someone who reads German could insert an entry under a new "Trivia" section about what the protesters (towards the middle of the film) were saying on their signs? I was intrigued and have spent some time scouring the internet for this information with no success. --Domenic Denicola 05:23, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

I belive the DVD commentary makes note of it. I think it was related to university students somehow, maybe tuition fees or something? I'll rewatch that segment when I get a chance and report back. PS2pcGAMER

On the DVD commentary, director Greengrass says that is is a protest against tuition fees. A bit earlier in the film, Bourne sits in a Berlin taxi and sees yellow posters announcing the protest at Alexanderplatz and that is why he chose to meet Nicky there, knowing it would be filled with people. The camera doesn't spend a lot of time on the protest signs but I can read "Friedhof bildung" (Cemetary of education) and "Bildung ist keine ware" (Education is not a commercial good). Most prominent though are the red and white logos from a leftwing organization, Attac. Thuresson 13:11, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

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I am not sure, but isn't the Treadstone operative that Bourne kills in this movie supposed to be the same operative who kills Conklin at the end of the last movie?JBPostma 22:58, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POV?

I was reading through the summation (well, it goes beyond summation, but nevertheless) of the story and when I reached the part about the death of Marie, I felt like I was reading something that belonged on a fansite due to the rampant speculation as to whether the character actually died or not. If the possibility actually exists that the character didn't die (i.e. someone involved with the film explicitly stated it or otherwise) then I can see cause for a separate section but what is there just kind of clouds up the article and slows down the pace of reading, making one take the time out to realistically question something involving a work of fiction that presumably doesn't need that sort of speculation added to it (example: if the character is deposited into (and sinks) the water after an attempt at revival, what logical explanation is there that she could be revived? Are we to assume that she will be brought back as a zombie? I highly doubt it). 75.2.40.114 01:10, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

All of your points are completely valid. Furthermore, I don't agree that original assessment that the back pane remained unbroken. You can clearly hear the glass breaking as the bullet passes through. I have removed the paragraph. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 07:52, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Inaccuracies

Was Neski really called "People's Comissar" in the film? This Soviet term has not been used since 1946. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 20:12, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fan Reaction

The fan reaction section states the film was not well received by fans, however rottentomatoes at least rated the film quite highly (82%) and fans rated it at 90%. This does not sound like poorly recieved to me.

Looks like it was just someone projecting their opinion.

The views are still mixed though, and shouldn't the camera work be noteworthy of the majority of the complaints given by the IMDB users?

Could we see some sources saying fans reacted poorly, at IMDB it has a 7.4 at 31000 votes, very similar to Identity at 7.4 and 41000. Highlandlord 18:28, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Paraphrasing three reviews in chronological order starting from the most-recent one

"1 out of 1 people found the following comment useful :-

Stop with the shaking camera, please!!!, 1 August 2006 7/10 Author: Cole Trickle from Los Angeles

I would have given this movie an 8 or perhaps a 9. I liked the story. I liked the subject matter. Guns, spies, car chases, etc. That stuff's right up my alley. Matt Damon and the cast are very capable.

However, the persistent shaking of the camera is just flat out annoying. It shakes so bad that you have to strain to see what's on the screen. You have to crane your neck left and right to focus on what's happening. It felt like watching a ballgame during a key moment only to have the dummy in front of you stand up and obstruct your view. Please, if a third installment is in store, please scrap this camera technique. I'm sure many will thank you for it.

1 out of 1 people found the following comment useful :- Camera work ruined a perfectly good movie, 5 July 2006 1/10 Author: harvster3 from Tucson, Az

I never saw this movie before, but nothing else was on so my wife and I decided to sit down and watch it on HBO. I first started adjusting the color on my TV because everybody seemed green, then I changed the channel and it was OK on other channels. But after a 1/2 hour, both my wife and I started complaining of headaches, then after an hour we had to change channels because of the severe pain. Both of us didn't even care about the ending after this. I thought we were going crazy until I read the bad reviews here and found out we were not the only ones suffering from this. With all the money available for filming this movie, why in the heck would a director be allowed to use a cheap cam-corder! This director should never be allowed to film again! This movie would have been great with any director, because the story is good and they had great actors.

1 out of 1 people found the following comment useful :- Disappointment, 5 June 2006 6/10 Author: lfjeff63 from United States

Jason Bourne (Matt Damon) is a super secret agent who has amnesia. He's living in India with his girlfriend while a crime is committed in Berlin and Bourne becomes a suspect. The bad guys need to kill Bourne and end up killing his girlfriend instead, so now Bourne is out for revenge.

I usually like films like this -- lots of intrigue on moles and secret identities. I'm not quite sure what this film lacked, but it lacked something. The editing, especially during the car chase scene in Moscow, began to give me a headache. Can't directors do long takes any more? The car chase really killed it for me.

I was disappointed by this, especially since I enjoyed Bourne Identity so much. I was hoping for a repeat performance of that, but my expectations were not met.

I was thinking something more like in a newspaper rather than posts from IMDB. Also, despite this it has the same rating on IMBD as the previous film. Highlandlord 21:37, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Found a couple reviews:

Movie Reviews: http://movie-reviews.colossus.net/movies/b/bourne2.html,

Hollywood Reporter: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/reviews/review_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000580119

Anyone has any idea what gloves Kirill is wearing in the Berlin part of the movie when he plants the explosives and the fake fingerprints? :)