Talk:The Book of Mozilla

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I have changed the description of 12:10 for it to correspond with the information found on the "official" The Book of Mozilla. Just view the source code of that website and you'll see a description of every verse. --212.186.144.229 19:29, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Unofficial verses

The "Unofficial verses" section should be deleted. You only get those if you install a specific extension.

You only get the main ones from installing a specific version of a specific browser... there's no reason not to include them. --Random|832 12:13, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
But you will always get ONE of the main ones. I would bet the percentage of Firefox uses that install the Firesomething extension is less than 2%. The Firesomething extension is not an official extension. Could I get some more unofficial verses added here if I created some silly extension for Firefox that almost no one used?
The man got a point. I don't know what should be done about the verses, though. – Mackeriv 06:19, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I was also just about to post that the unofficial verses should be removed and then found it's already been suggested. Well they're right - get rid of them! you wouldn't expect the article on Bible to have some unofficial verses quoted, would you?
They're gone.
And so at last the unofficial verses fell and the followers of the beast rejoiced.
And now another one is here. Nvu. Nvu is not related to mozilla in any way save that it was based on the Composer code. It is not available from Mozilla.org. Thus, it has been removed by myself. If it were to return, it would require the return of the Firesomething quote as well. In my opinion, all pieces of the book should be included, including non-firefox pieces, under their own section. --TIB (talk) 03:07, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)
The problem with unofficial verses is that literally hundreds on them have been written by different people. They're effectively fan fiction and therefore should not be included. The current rule of featuring only official verses (from Netscape and Mozilla browsers) is the best policy. Personally, I think that the fact that the unofficial verses even exist cheapens the Easter egg somewhat, but that's by-the-by.
I suggest to wait with the Nvu bit until it gets an official mozilla programm/gets listet on mozilla.org --Albert Feller 00:30, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Unless I'm very mistaken, Nvu was not made by the Mozilla developers, but by separate people who simply used some of the engine from Mozilla (which is something Mozilla likes and wants, and intends to make even more popular in later revisions of XUL.) I do not expect to ever, in my life time, see Nvu offered as a project from mozilla.org - nor do I ever expect to see Firefox on microsoft.com (even though Firefox uses technology and code from the Windows API.)
NVU is based on composer. It's made by Linspire 81.11.184.83 17:23, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
Please note the mozilla.org projects list, which does not list Nvu, but instead lists their "competing" project, Editor (Composer). -[Unknown] 02:03, Nov 7, 2004 (UTC)
It would be insteresting, though, telling people that unnofficial verses exist. It explains that the easter egg is famous enough to have "fan fiction" and somewhat covers the existence of unnofficial verses in a way that people won't feel tempted to add then back. -- Omar "Ekevu" Balbuena 11:53, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Please note that Nvu is mentionned in the Other Application and Distribution Forum on MozillaZine Forums [1] along with K-Meleon. -- Astrowob 05:05, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Does anyone use Mozilla 1.7?

I have found the "about:mozilla" page for Mozilla 1.7(it changed) I don't know anything about it, or which letters are big, and whatnot, so it would be appreciated if someone who has mozilla 1.7(the absolute newest version) could redo what I put in to be more accurate.

There was no new Book of Mozilla for 1.7. It appears to have started out as a joke: http://www.peerfear.org/rss/permalink/2004/03/21/TheBookOfMozilla17b/
thanks for clearing that up
1.7.2 has the "And so at last the beast fell..." verse. k.lee 03:29, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)
As of the most recent version of SeaMonkey (the replacement for Mozilla) at the time, 7:15 was the verse being used. -- Jb-adder (logged on as 59.154.24.146) 17:17, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] IE

If you look at Internet Explorer, for instance with a binary editor, you will find the string "about:mozilla". There are apparently other special urls (such as res:// type urls) that are recognized by msie, but about:mozilla seems to be the only about: special url. It produces a blank html page with a blue background. (after checking, apparently the latest version of msie no longer has this feature) --WhiteDragon 05:03, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Yes, it's a particularly odd one that; some have suggested it is a subtle reference to the blue screen of death, but if so it's very subtle. If you typed any other URI beginning "about:" into IE, it used to render it as HTML - so "about:There is a <a href="http://example.com">link</a> here!" would show the sentence "There is a link here!" with the word "link" as a link. I think they took this out as being a potential security issue, so perhaps the "about:mozilla" special case was removed at the same time. - IMSoP 00:09, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
about:Mozilla still works in IE 6.0 SYSS Mouse 15:32, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I have version 6.0.2800.1106 (the latest final version other than XP) and it still works. --Wulf 01:07, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
There is a list of those Internet Explorer strings for in the Registry. Open Windows' Registry Editor and go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\AboutURLs to se a list of the strings.
I made a relevant comment about this below Maerk 11:34, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] weird book of mozilla picture

someone included this picture. apart from using a link to archive.org that doesn't work i don't think that this link should be included. if anybody doesn't share my opinion: feel free to comment. --Albert Feller 18:26, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Very funny, but is it a fake? It'd be nice to have a link at least, saying that it is possibly a fan art equivalent for the book 194.80.178.1 22:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Screenshots of all three Book of Mozilla verses

Combining my passion for installing old Web browsers and my ability to make Windows XP look like older versions of Windows, I've taken screenshots of all three verses of The Book of Mozilla in appropriate versions of Netscape/Mozilla:

Someone with an account must be just itching to upload these images so that I can include them in the article, musn't they? Standard fairuse applies, I believe.

[edit] About NVU easter egg

I don't speak English very weel : sorry :) Since Nvu .50 go to Help->About NVU then hold down Shift and click "Credits"

You will be redirect on http://disruptive-innovations.com/book/0823.html


[edit] Internet Explorer

about:mozilla is also supported in Internet Explorer. However, I don't have much to write about it. Does anybody know why it's supported when it's not a mozilla browser? The about:mozilla source code is:

<HTML>
<HEAD>
<BODY bgcolor="#000080" text="#FFFFFF">
</BODY>
</HTML>

217.60.43.5 07:26, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

See above; I think "supported" is probably too strong a word, it's more that some coder at MS made it do something, probably just as a joke. Perhaps we should mention it in the article, but I'm not quite sure what we'd say. - IMSoP 15:41, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
As mentioned in one of the sections above, this might be a reference to the blue screen of death, as in Microsoft is implying that if you use Mozilla software, your computer is more likely to crash. However, this might be due to the way IE deals with strings after the about: bit -- I read somewhere that it tries to resolve them to the nearest hex colour. So 00000g (invalid) could be interpreted as someone trying to put 00000f (valid!). It's possible that "mozilla" is resolved to 000080, which is the blue colour you see. Maerk 11:33, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
According to Blue screen of death#References to the Blue Screen of Death it was included as an easter egg.
While this isn't necessarily authoritative, the fact that res://mshtml.dll/about.moz was the resource used for about:mozilla, makes it appear that the colour theory is essentially decimated.
I certainly think that this should be included in the article194.80.178.1 22:52, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Another fan verse

Not worth putting into the article (on grounds above), but I found this slashdot comment pretty amusing. -Ethan (talk) 23:55, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Link

How about adding a link to about:mozilla in the links section?

There's no way of adding a link to that address, because it's not a standard URL; if we could link to it, your comment above would be clickable automatically, just like if I type http://example.com (and it would be linked in the second sentence of the article, too, way before the links section). Besides, it's not like it's hard to type! - IMSoP 16:41, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "probably"

Why does it seem like the explanations of the verses are so unsure of themselves (using the word "probably", for example) when the explanations are so clearly written out by Mozilla in the source for http://www.mozilla.org/book/?

I mean, the article itself quotes the code ("will fight against the followers of Mammon (Microsoft Internet Explorer). -->") and then later reads "Some suggest that "Mammon" refers to Microsoft, whose Internet Explorer browser was Netscape's chief competition." Uhh, wasn't it just spelled out for everyone BY the people who wrote it? --68.122.9.164 07:13, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Read the article. The people who wrote http://www.mozilla.org/book/ are not the same people who wrote the verses. - 87.194.10.31 16:18, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Origin of the Blink in 12.10

The blnk references in the 12.10 verse is made from the choice of non longer supporting the <blink> tag by the upcoming IE (was NCSA Mosaic) at this time...

I would even say, everything references at this point the NCSA's cuts in adaptation into IE, which was born the same year. FCartegnie 16:40, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

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