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Contents 1 Image for "Best of British" 2 Encyclopedic value 3 Free as a bird 4 Bullet points 5 My goodness 6 To trivia or not to trivia? 7 John Lennon airport 8 Talking to myself again 9 Thomas the tank engine has gone 10 Oasis 11 Change of name 12 Kurt Cobain 13 This is a "B article" 14 The Last Meeting 15 Up for deletion AGAIN 16 Moving and merging 17 Cultural depictions of The Beatles? 18 splits

[edit] Image for "Best of British"

while the text, quoted beow, states that the English pub came second in this vote, the accompanying photo is one of Elizabeth II who, according to the caption, "came second" - I don't know if it's the article or caption that's wrong, but the inconsistency is obvious:

"In second place - after The Beatles - came the local English public house - 32% - which was followed by the British countryside - 27%. Shakespeare was named as the "Best of British" by only 13 per cent." MickO'Bants 20:55, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Encyclopedic value

Is this encyclopedic? WP:NOT an indiscriminate collection of information. This might be better suited for something on Wikia, instead of an encyclopedia. In the first place, the fact that this can never go beyond a bullet-point list already indicates this probably can't be encyclopedic - an encyclopaedia article is written in prose. On the plus side, though, I suppose we could bend the rules, if only to get rid of all that annoying trivia on Beatles-related articles. Johnleemk | Talk 17:18, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

That's the only motivation. I consider it a sandbox, and certainly won't have it on my watchlist. If the article only lasts a couple of months and gets AFD'd, well, at least for that period of time we can ease the pressure on the main article. That said, this is only a stub, and some other trivia articles not only exist but have survived AFD (John Lennon trivia). --kingboyk 17:59, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Free as a bird

I have added a "Free as a Bird" section on the Trivia page. I have listed as many song titles as I can think of, but I’m sure I missed some. Please feel free to contribute, when you want to while away the hours… It is definitely not listed as a bullet-point piece, but as an explanation of the content. I feel that by doing so, it gives some credit to the wonderful job the film-makers did in compiling the shots for the video. It can further expanded with prose, should you so wish... andreasegde 12:17, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Heartfelt thanks to the person/people who put the song links into the "Free as a Bird" article. andreasegde 12:11, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bullet points

There are no bullet points (apart fron The Rutles listing the band members). There are short pieces, but they need to be expanded. Please help. andreasegde 12:43, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My goodness

This seems to have become a serious article! I'll read it later and come back with a review. --kingboyk 19:16, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I've been asked to assess this article, which I will do most happily (but not right now as it's a long article and I don't have time). At first glance (on this visit) I wonder if perhaps it's misnamed now? Anyway, it seems to be a cleverly constructed article and a decent read, not at all what I expected when I first moved some trivia over to here from the main article :) I'll be back later today or by the end of the week to give it a cleanup and a rating (almost certainly it will be B-class, with GA class a realistic prospect - but to get GA the article has to be nominated first. We can discuss that when I come back, if I think it has a decent shot at it). --kingboyk 10:47, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] To trivia or not to trivia?

I think it should still be called trivia, because it is not stuff that could be put into The Beatles article (as it would make it horrendously long) and it connects The Beatles with lots of other articles, which people would probably not delve into without the links on this page. It also sets a standard for other trivia articles. There you go, I´ve said my piece... andreasegde 10:43, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, the faeces has hit the fan. I now think that Kingboyk was right about changing the name of the article, because the word trivia seems to upset a lot of people. I´m really sorry that this is so. There is even a Wikipedia article called trivia which deals with the subject, and has lots of bullet point lists, as well as linking to plenty of other pages that have trivia pages, so I am deeply confused as to why this page should be singled out.

I can only sit on my hands and wait until it is decided upon. It´s a bit like sitting in a dentist´s waiting room... andreasegde 07:30, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to keep on suggesting Miscellenea as a title until somebody gives me a good reason why it is not suitable. It means much the same as Trivia, but has many more vowels, consonents and a better pedigree. Trivia could be kept as a redirect. Seriously, it may be that other articles including the term "trivia" should be amended - so that articles are not nominated merely by inference from the title.LessHeard vanU 12:52, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Nice one. andreasegde 14:54, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Bump. You need to think of a new name, or split this out into several new articles otherwise you'll get hassled for deletion every few months. There's too much nice material here for it to be deleted.

(That said, a solution would be to move this into WikiProject space, where the article rules don't apply... that might not be a bad idea; I recently did it with a KLF-related article that I didn't know what to do with). --kingboyk 18:09, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] John Lennon airport

I´m not sure if it should be in. If I put it into "John Lennon", would it look out of place? Answers on a postcard please, to Blue Peter, BBC Broadcasting house.... andreasegde 17:35, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I have taken the airport and Playboy out. andreasegde 02:13, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

I think that Playboy should be in, because it links to an early Beatles Playboy interview and one of the last John Lennon Playboy interviews, as well as a really good (mid-1980s) McCartney Playboy interview which deals with Lennon. andreasegde 17:16, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talking to myself again

I have been thinking that the articles could be separated and grouped together under headings like Politics, Music, TV, Film etc... What do you think, andreasegde? (Laugh...)

No idea, but do it and see if anyone chops you in the windpipe... andreasegde 13:21, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I did it, but "Odd-job" didn´t appear. andreasegde 19:47, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Providing you have more than 1 piece in each section it should work fine. If you have a few pieces that has no proper section whatever you do do not put them under a Trivia heading.LessHeard vanU 20:47, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, darling. Will do. When will this page get a rating? andreasegde 14:45, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thomas the tank engine has gone

This might raise a smile...

"In 1984 the famous Railway Series Books were turned into a famous TV series one Beatles band member done Thomas the tank engine & Friends and that is Ringo Starr he was a beatles band member ever since the 1960's Ringo Starr provide the voice and narration of the TV show. When the Thomas show was a sucess the episodes were brodcasted in many countries and translted into different languges such as Japan& Israel etc. And also Ringo Starr was in the Amercian Spin-off Shining Time Station but soon in 1991 Ringo finished Thomas and went back to his Music carrer and soon he was replaced by Michael Angelis."

Ahhh, the innocence of youth (nice smile...) andreasegde 12:14, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Or, the sadness of geriatrics (thin smile...) LessHeard vanU 23:05, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Could be. I was being nice about an obviously young editor (or an old one? I hope not...) because I was delighted at his/her first attempts at editing. We all started somewhere. I wasn´t being sarcastic, or biting newcomers; I thought it was really sweet, (though obviously it should have been on Ringo´s page.) More power to his/her editing elbow. andreasegde 14:03, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I suppose that countering systematic bias is very laudable, but I still think there is a place for comprehension.(adult grin)LessHeard vanU 20:12, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oasis

I put in the Oasis bit, but I can´t track down the date, or any more info. andreasegde 16:24, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Crestville is your man for Oasis related stuff - he contributed to the Wiki article.LessHeard vanU 20:27, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Have added date and location, but am not sure about the facts. I know they have released a [brilliant] cover version of "Walrus" in 1994 as a b-side to "Cigarettes & Alcohol" and Noel Gallagher recorded a version of "Come together" with The Smokin' Mojo Filters in 1995. A cover of "You've Got To Hide Your Love Away" was released as a b-side to the japenese version of the Some Might Say single and bootleg copies of that song and "Help" do exist recorded live on acoustic guitar as sung by Noel. They also ocassionally end the song "Whatever" with the lyrics to "Octopus' Garden". However, so far as I know, only the "Whatever" section of "OG" was performed at the "Unplugged" session. I'm not saying you're wrong, and I will add the above info to the Oasis covers section at some stage, but I have seen that performance (albeit in a possibly editied capacity) and didn't see any Beatles songs.(That was Crestville, that it was!)

[edit] Change of name

The name of this article has to be changed. Any ideas? andreasegde 23:32, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Guess what my suggestion is...? It starts with a "M" and ends with "a"!(inane grin)LessHeard vanU 11:17, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

No, you got me on that one. M & A? The Beatles mama? - The Beatles mega?... andreasegde 11:38, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kurt Cobain

Not sure about this being in without a citation. If we put in every musician that loved The Beatles it would be longer than my arm. andreasegde 11:38, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Have just checked out the link for Cobain on the page and it says nothing about The Beatles, or the writing of/influence for "About a Girl". It´s gone. andreasegde 09:03, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I returned the Cobain info and added more (with references); this has been heavily documented, however, I think the only false statement here was:

"he didn't want to overdubs and producer Butch Vig would just remind him that John Lennon used overdubs and it worked"

--200.118.35.198 19:32, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Nice one. It´s a definite KEEP now. Good work on "fattening it up" and putting citations in. They used to play "Julia"? Interesting. andreasegde 10:55, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This is a "B article"

Yes, that´s exactly right, because it needs more references from books than Internet references, BUT... it´s not realistic to find quotes from books, because most of the stuff here has never been in a book. --212.241.67.98 22:06, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Last Meeting

There is a last photo of Lennon and McCartney, but what about a last meeting? I know McCartney made attempts to visit Lennon at the Dakota; sometimes he was let in, other times Yoko turned him away. Does anybody know more?

Well, whoever you are, I agree. John once said (to McCartney), "It´s not like the old days, y´know - ya can´t just turn up when you want." Anybody got any references? --andreasegde 21:12, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

"The following day, April 25, 1976, McCartney reportedly showed up unannounced at Lennon's apartment with a guitar. Lennon was busy and/or annoyed and turned him away. This was the last known meeting between Paul McCartney and John Lennon." From the Paul McCartney page on Wikipedia. I don´t believe it though. I think they met later. --andreasegde 09:24, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Bloody sad* if they didn't. *old fashioned usage. --kingboyk 14:08, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Up for deletion AGAIN

This article was up for deletion a short time ago, and it survived. (16 July 2006 [1] ) Why is it under threat of deletion again? --andreasegde 17:01, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Aha... The Vandals have been thwarted. Mine´s a pint. --andreasegde 10:44, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Moving and merging

I am merging lots of stuff from here to The Beatles article on their influence on popular culture. The Beatles' influence on popular culture--andreasegde 17:05, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cultural depictions of The Beatles?

Since The Beatles are included at Wikipedia's Core Biographies project, I'd like to invite the editors here to imitate an approach I've started elsewhere. While I raised Joan of Arc to featured article when I created Cultural depictions of Joan of Arc, which has become a featured list. Recently I also created Cultural depictions of Alexander the Great out of material that had been deleted from the biography article. Maybe adoption of this model will free the editors here to spend more time on improvements and less time fighting deletion nominations. Regards, Durova 15:40, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Nice, but can I suggest 'Joan of Arc-Cartney', or 'Lennon the Great'? Sorry - only a joke - but I couldn't resist it... --andreasegde 19:17, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] splits

MOst of this information should be split out into the specificly relevant articles, like Yellow Submarine for the information about that, or the songs for information about inspiration, etc. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 18:48, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

This is only a page to provide links to other pages. Think of it as a summary page for other pages, or a short introduction. Putting everything into other pages would them too long. How is a young editor/reader supposed to find all the numerous links to The Beatles without this page to guide them? --andreasegde 19:16, 24 November 2006 (UTC)