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Comprehensive list with a long introduction/overview. Needs a little tidying and towards the bottom some more pictures would add some welcome colour. I propose this to be our first featured list candidate.--Steve (6 March 2006)
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[edit] Number of albums sold?

I don't see it anywhere! Where does it say how many albums they've sold? TheDavesr 02:07, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The White Album

I don't see it listed in the discography - I'm sure it was an official album when I bought it when it was released ?

The OFFICIAL title of this album is The Beatles. It's popularly known as The White Album because of the plain white sleeve. If you type The White Album in Wikipedia, it redirects to The Beatles (album). Steelbeard1 10:55, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Restarting

Oh my gosh, who broke apart this entire page? I suppose I should help get started on restarting?


I've corrected the Heinz Edelmann link in the "Yellow Submarine" item, and removed the reference to Peter Max's alleged influence: People who worked on the film deny Max had anything to do with it. (see "Inside the Yellow Submarine" by Dr. Robert R. Hieronimus) Skyraider 22:30, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Magical Mystery Tour was released in 1976 ? The Beatles split in 1970. MMT was released in 67. Jerome Potts 05:41, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Magical Mystery Tour as an LP was formally released in the UK in 1976. It was released in the UK as a double EP, not an LP as it was when it was released in the USA. It became a popular import in the UK, continuing to sell as an import until it was released as an LP in the UK in 1976. steelbeard1

We have the Beatles Canadian albums listed. Shouldn't we include their Canadian singles? Ian911299

I noticed some of the US Singles peak chart positions do not agree with the Billboard Hot 100 charts (as compiled by Joel Whitburn in Top Pop 1955-2003). Shall I update accordingly, or what was the reference used in creating this list in the first place? Brian.D 02:40, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

I've completely rewritten/reformatted the Singles section, correcting erroneous chart information and generally making it easier to read. Also corrected the wikilinks to many of the singles' pages. -- Brian.D 18:45, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

...and, to coin a phrase, it's fab! :) --kingboyk 18:59, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
I feel likewise. I indicated the two Beatle singles which made the American charts which were actually Canadian imports as indicated by the 72000 series catalogue numbers. Steelbeard1 21:02, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
...thanks for the kind words.  :) (fab, even... that's like the ultimate Beatlesque compliment! heh) I thought about adding in the Canadian imports, but I guess my fingers weren't listening to my head while I was typing it up. Thanks for adding them in.  :) -- Brian.D 01:30, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Magical Mystery Tour

Why isn't Magical Mystery Tour included in the "big" list? The albums feels like it should be in there, considering that it contains an album's worth of original songs. Kangy 00:17, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Because the MMT LP was never formally released in the UK until 1976. Until then, it was only available in the UK as an import. MMT was first released in the UK as a double EP. Steelbeard1 16:33, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Let me second Kangy's question. I don't know enough to add it, but I'm almost sure it should be there. Also, the text of the article says 14 albums, while the Brit list is 12 and the US list is 20. Rick Norwood 00:46, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
The Beatles have 25 major CD albums. Magical Mystery Tour is one of them. I feel it should be included in the big list. After all, Magical Mystery Tour did become part of the official Beatles catalogue, so it should be included. Ian911299
For historic accuracy involving the British Beatle LPs issued while The Beatles were together, the official pre-CD listing should stand. steelbeard1

There's a project getting underway around The Beatles, please consider joining up and helping shape direction. Info at top. ++Lar: t/c 01:07, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] song links

Gosh this page looks nice! But I'm wondering if the songs that have articles should be linked? ++Lar: t/c 01:52, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Formatting

Kingboyk wrote in "The Beatles discography" log:

> I prefer the central align.

Using alignment of page elements to lead the eye is a basic principle of graphic design. [1] [2] [3] You may not know this if you are not a graphic designer.

The central align makes readability considerably more difficult without visible table cell borders. There isn't a clear indication of where the description begins for the relevant album image. This problem is exacerbated by the fact that the spacing between table cells is little more than the spacing between lines. All of the descriptions for the albums run together.[4] The alignment of the album images to the top of the cell gives a visual clue to the reader of where the description begins. Without that alignment the user must expend effort to hunt for the beginning of the description.

Given this would you please reconsider the vertical alignment?

> I planned to keep the style="border: 1px solid lightgrey;" change, but
> that doesn't work if the browser window is made small. It borders the
> CELL, not the image.

I will make a replacement image then. I could not find a way to specify a border for an image in the mediawiki syntax.

For replies, please respond here or via email.

Mperry 22:12, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

All I can say "is what I like" and nope I'm not a graphics designer. I preferred it before. Let's see what other people have to say. Comments please!--kingboyk 03:39, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Do you have diffs? are these two (below) representative of the basic difference in style? Assuming they are I have set this up to leave prefer siggies (remember "polls are evil" though) ++Lar: t/c 03:55, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Straw poll

Prefer http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Beatles_discography&oldid=43652410 (text aligned with the top of the cover image)

  1. I am guessing Mperry prefers it this way?
  2. I find centered text hard to follow. I'd prefer that in addition to top aligning, we actually added horizontal rules between each album if it wasn't too busy..++Lar: t/c 03:55, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Prefer. I would advise against adding horizontal rules. That just adds more graphic elements to the page and makes it busier than it is. A better solution would be to add some padding between the rows. Just a bit of whitepace will help to separate the rows and make things more readable. I tried to add an ID to the table and then style the TD of ID to have "padding-bottom: 1em" but the style was ignored by the wiki and displayed in the page instead. I'm not sure how to add style tags in the page in MediaWiki. --Mperry 22:00, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Prefer http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Beatles_discography&oldid=43661858 (text aligned with the center of the cover image)

  1. I am guessing Steve prefers it this way? -- Aye. --kingboyk 04:02, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


No preference

  1. Comment: I have no strong opinion either way on this. Both look ok to me, and neither seems any harder to digest.. though I do appreciate the logic of our graphic designer. --Mal 10:37, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


[edit] The Capitol Albums, Volume 2

Capitol Records will release "The Capitol Albums, Vol 2" which features the American 1965 LPs with an April 11 release date. Info at http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Music/03/21/music.beatles.reut/index.html Steelbeard1 15:52, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Who wants to start the article? I tried using The Capitol Albums, Volume 1 as the template but couldn't create the article to my satisfaction. Steelbeard1 19:39, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

I got the article started! Of course, as more info becomes available, feel free to add to it! Steelbeard1 04:36, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Is there a DYK in there somewhere? I'm not seeing any tidbits that are hook-y enough. Now's the time to nom it if there are some, as it will have more days of chances... PS nice work on your last DYK'ed article! ++Lar: t/c 05:07, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
You're welcome. Right now, all I see is the chartbusting Beatle accomplishments in April 1964. I mentioned that this box set will be released on the 42nd Anniversary of The Beatles holding a record 14 positions in the Billboard Hot 100 singles chart. This was one week after The Beatles monopolised the Top 5 positions in the Billboard Hot 100 chart. —This unsigned comment was added by Steelbeard1 (talk • contribs) 12:33, 23 March 2006.
That was the tidbit I needed, nominated! (see March 21 entries)... BTW you should not feel shy about nomination yourself if you're so inclined. Great article, thanks! ++Lar: t/c 18:34, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Past Masters 2-LP set

Because the Past Masters compilation was issued as a 2-LP set comparied to the two individual volumes on CD, does the Past Masters 2-LP set deserve its own article? I did submit the cover photo. But as you can see, I could not eliminate the glare on the glossy cover. Steelbeard1 16:27, 24 March 2006 (UTC) Image:Pastmastersvol1and2albumcover.jpg

In my opinion, no, because it was just a 2LP version of the same CDs wasn't it? A little different from Rarities, the two releases of which were very different. --kingboyk 17:38, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Then how about indicating what tracks are on each side of the LPs in the existing articles? Steelbeard1 17:45, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
I don't think that's really neccessary (it can be done in the discography) but hey if you think it can be done without harming the existing articles go right ahead. You don't have to ask :-) (although it's very nice and courteous that you do!) --kingboyk 17:58, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Done. I indicated the side selections for the LP version of Past Masters, Volume One and Past Masters, Volume Two. Steelbeard1 15:56, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External Sites

Do you think this Beatles Lyrics site could be included in the main page of external links. It has a wealth of information on every song? Just a suggestion.

[edit] Souvenir of Their Visit to America

I created the article to fill a gap. How is it? Steelbeard1 01:25, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Interesting article. If there are sources, it could stand a little analysis-ish stuff. Why was it released? Why did it not do well? Who are Vee-Jay (one sentence since they have an article already.). Why these songs? Who took the cover photo? Again, if there are sources for any of this... if not, never mind. Secondly, this probably could/should be discussed at the project page somewhere since it's about another article, not this article. That said, good work! Needs a few more tidbits to be DYK nominatable. ++Lar: t/c 04:41, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

This is also mentioned in the main article's talk section. I Added FYI worthy trivia about why many of The Beatles' early records were released on Vee-Jay Records. Of course, you can add to it. Steelbeard1 12:01, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

The article made DYK for April 3! The DYK was that while the EP was the first one released in the USA, it did not chart! Steelbeard1 08:10, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations! Don't forget to add such things to the project log :) Good news indeed! --kingboyk 12:25, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Tony Sheridan recordings

The latest repackaging of the Tony Sheridan recordings have been introduced in this discography. Except for the UK release of "My Bonnie", there has been no mention of the Tony Sheridan tracks in this article. There have been numerous repackagings of the tracks, mostly from Polydor Records. Do they belong in this article? Steelbeard1 10:54, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Not in their myriad reissues, no, I would say (it seems to be an annual event rereleasing those doesn't it?!). The very first release? Sure. --kingboyk 11:04, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
The original LP release was My Bonnie by Tony Sheridan and The Beat Brothers. Steelbeard1 15:02, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I deleted the mention of the above reissue in this article. The only releases which should be included are the original German "My Bonnie" LP, the circa 1963 British Polydor release, the 1964 vintage American MGM Records and Atco Records releases and the circa 1970 Polydor USA release of "In The Beginning (circa 1960)". Polydor was not active in the USA until 1969, hence the later release of the Sheridan material in the USA on Polydor. Steelbeard1 16:37, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
We should do further research on the first release of the Sheridan material. I found out that the first UK release was in 1967 as "The Beatles First" on Polydor 236-201, released August 4, 1967. Info at [5] Steelbeard1 19:23, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
I just contributed the first consolidated American LP issue of the Sheridan material In The Beginning (Circa 1960) Steelbeard1 04:08, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
I completed the two remaining American releases of the Sheridan tracks with the MGM LP The Beatles with Tony Sheridan & Guests and the Atco LP Ain't She Sweet. Steelbeard1 17:34, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More detailed American LP discography

I noticed that Analogdemon has started work on a more detailed American original Beatle LP discography which I commend. I would suggest following the UK LP detailed discography format and giving the track selection for each side. For American Beatle LPs which exactly match the British LPs, mention 'as British album' without giving the redundant track listing. I'm sure it will satisfy those who want a full listing of the Magical Mystery Tour LP which was released in the USA first a decade before its official release in the UK. Steelbeard1 16:03, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm working on that now. --Analogdemon (talk) 17:40, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Nice job, Analogdemon! Anyone want to give the original UK albums the same detailed treatment? Steelbeard1 02:40, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Ooh yes, very nice job indeed! --kingboyk 12:37, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
I'll do the UK albums tonight. --Analogdemon (talk) 19:16, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Done --Analogdemon (talk) 15:16, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Looks great, Analogdemon. Steelbeard1 15:19, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Actual release date for Introducing...The Beatles

According to "The Beatles on Vee-Jay Records" (a source for the album's article), and also Beatles-Discography.com, while copies of the album may have been pressed as early as July 22, 1963, the album never hit store shelves before January 6, 1964. I have changed the release date to reflect that, as it doesn't matter when the records were pressed if people couldn't buy them. --Analogdemon (talk) 17:40, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hey Jude album

Shouldn't the US Hey Jude album be categorised under compilation albums? warpozio 08:07, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Compilation albums consist of material previously released on LPs. Except for "Can't Buy Me Love" and "I Should Have Known Better" which were issued on the UA soundtrack LP for A Hard Day's Night, all of the tracks in this album made their LP debut. Also, Apple (make that Allen Klein) was behind this release. It was also treated at the time as a new album because of the mostly new on LP material. I say keep it in the main USA LP discography. Steelbeard1 10:41, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
I do not agree with a definition that compilation albums consist of material previously released on LPs. If that is the case, then the two Past Masters albums should be put in the main list as well...
IMHO Capitol followed the Parlophone album release from 1967 (Sgt. Pepper, White album, Yellow Submarine, Abbey Road and Hey Jude). So, just like "A Collection of Beatles Goldies", it could be put in the compilations list.warpozio 20:14, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
I'll chip in since you two aren't agreeing: I think by the fact alone that it included some very old material it's a compilation. Provided the compilations are going to get the same prettification treatment it also doesn't matter too much which section it goes in, and of course a note can be added explaining the release and the difficulties in classifying it. Hey Jude was also imported to the UK, of course, where it most definitely was a compilation. --kingboyk 20:56, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Hmm... then, by this same reasoning, why not call the US release, Beatles '65 a compilation album as well?
I've always personally considered the "post-Beatles" albums 1962-1966, 1967-1970, Rarities, etc. as compilation albums, and any released during their tenure as a band as regular releases... -- Brian.D 23:51, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Beatles Collection and The Beatles Box Set

An anonymous poster made mention of The Beatles Box Set in The Beatles Collection article without mentioning the separately listed article. I made mention of it in the latter and mentioned availability in digitally remastered vinyl and cassettes in the former. What wasn't mentioned is the digitally remastered set has the first four albums are in mono whilst the first four albums in The Beatles Collection are in stereo. Should this be mentioned in the articles? Steelbeard1 11:51, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

If you think it's useful info, add it. If you don't, don't! :) --kingboyk 17:49, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal to merge The Early Tapes of The Beatles into The Beatles' First

I formally proposed merging The Early Tapes of The Beatles which is the umpteenth repackaging of the Tony Sheridan Hamburg sessions of 1961 into the original and definitive repackaging of the tracks called The Beatles' First. You can go to the articles' talk pages to continue the discussion. Steelbeard1 14:32, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Swan Records article

I want to avert a revert war because someone insists on inserting a graphic of a 78 rpm label of an earlier Swan Records without including any info on that Swan Records. Of course, a later Swan Records in existence from 1957 to 1967 had as its biggest hit "She Loves You" by The Beatles which the company was given the rights to before Capitol Records in the USA finally said yes to The Beatles. Can you check out the article and decide for yourself? Steelbeard1 17:21, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Matter taken up at Talk:Swan Records, which I've watchlisted. I've also added a {{WPBeatles}} as it seems to be within our scope (small label most widely known for releasing a Beatles single). --kingboyk 17:45, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Other Compilations

Many Beatles compilations not listed here can be found at the following website.

http://music.yahoo.com/ar-262009-discography--The-Beatles

[edit] Good article

I passed this article as I think it's met all the criteria to warrant good article status. I can't think of any other suggestions to make this article any better. NIce work guys. HK51 12:06, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] UK Singles reissues

How come this discography only includes US reissued singles, but not UK ones. In the 1980s The Beatles had many of their singles re-enter the UK top 100 (not just "Love me do"). Surley these are just as noteable? 64.12.116.201 20:08, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] The Beatles (EP)

Someone listed this on the request page for albums and such; can someone verify that this exists or not and then delete it from the request page if it doesn't or if you create the article? Thaaaaaanks, --Notmyhandle 06:04, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it does exist. [6] gives the details. Zakko 06:36, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Magical Mystery Tour

Why is it not listed as being released in the UK? It was wasn't it? Errr....--andreasegde 08:46, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Did you look in the British EP section? It's in there. Also, the LP wasn't officially released in the UK until 1976 so it's listed in the Compilations and other releases in the UK section of LPs. Before 1976, the MMT LP was only available in the UK as an American import. Steelbeard1 11:40, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
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