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Contents 1 welcome 2 93554564 3 Ancient Greek Wikisource 4 Bias on articles that interest me 5 Herbert Saffir 6 And what exactly is your excuse for speedy deletion? 7 Clouds 8 Articles you might like to edit, from SuggestBot 9 Question about Wikipedia:Wikiproject user warnings

[edit] welcome

Welcome!

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FLAMINGSPINACH OLD FRIEND I DO NOT SUPPORT THE PROPAGATION OF THE HELLO TEMPLATE I FIND IT MORALLY OBJECTIONABLE! I MEAN PRETTY DUMB Tgies 11:57, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 93554564

Hello, Tgies, I'm 2006-12-13 03:16 ok — flamingspinach | (talk) 05:54, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

• yes yes that's very nice tgies 10:21, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ancient Greek Wikisource

I understand from your userboxes you're interested in Ancient Greek. I've submitted a proposal to add an Ancient Greek Wikisource on Meta, and I'd be very grateful if you could assist me by either voting in Support of the proposal, or even adding your name as one of the contributors in the template. (NB: I'm posting this to a lot of people, so please reply to my talkpage or to Meta) --Nema Fakei 20:10, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bias on articles that interest me

I'm interested to know to what experience you are referring here? As far as I can tell, we've never even worked on any of the same articles, and never participated in the same AfD discussions, so which experience are we talking about here? If I've been biased, I'd like to be able to see where so I can evaluate it and make any changes necessary to remove that bias. I've "voted" both ways on articles of interest to me, and of course I'll fight for articles that I think are important. I don't think you'll find any editors here who won't do that. I look forward to any examples you can provide. Thanks for your time. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 09:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

A number of the articles you babysit (mostly on extremely minor aspects of the anime/manga "fandom" or whatever) strike me as wholly non-notable. It occurs to me, though, that I oppose your election more because you do not have a certain "polymathic" quality which I think administrators should have (and I frankly don't wish to argue my case as to why -- I feel it's my prerogative to have any criteria I please when I vote), and appear quite narrowly focused on Japanese pop culture. Nothing personal. tgies 09:36, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm not arguing about your vote. I agree that you can vote any way you choose, for any reason you choose. I just want to improve, and so I am asking for your feedback so I can evaluate it. If there is anything more specific than what you have stated above, I'm open to your comments.

As for my focus on all things Japan-related (which is actually quite a broad range of subjects, all things considered), that's mainly because editing and improving Wikipedia is a hobby, and I'd rather focus on items which interest me and about which I have some knowledge because I find that more enjoyable than trying to jump into a topic about which I know nothing when I'm doing something to relax. I imagine that almost all of the editors here have one or two topics which are their main focus.

If you look through my approximately 20,000 edits, you'll see that I do edit articles outside of those Japan-related, although it's not terribly frequently due to the reasons I gave above. I look forward to any feedback you have. Thanks for your time. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 09:50, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, I already understand that you mostly edit Japan-related articles because you feel that is the area you have enough knowledge in. That's the problem. tgies 09:55, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, if you have any useful and constructive criticism, please let me know. I'm always open to it. Thanks again for your time. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 10:08, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

tgies are you arguing with fake japans again? Don't you know that they'll power up for five episodes and then scream a lot? That can't be healthy. I mean, it's amusing, yes, but most likely not healthy. Marasamune 10:05, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

the adults are talking tgies 10:07, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Looks more like arguing while trying to keep some semblance of geniality. I could be wrong, but I'm not. Marasamune 10:10, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

well duh this is wikipedia. tgies 10:14, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Herbert Saffir

Why'd you nominate this article for speedy delete? Did you read past the first line? Argyriou (talk) 00:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Did you read the notice? CSD A7. Look it up; it's an interesting read. tgies 04:43, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Right - no assertion of notability. Saying the subject invented the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale is an assertion of notability. The proper action, given the formatting of the article, would be to move material about the SSHS to the first paragraph, not to nominate for speedy deletion. Argyriou (talk) 04:46, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

No assertion of notability was even present in the article at the time I tagged it; check the revision history. tgies 04:49, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

You're full of shit. I've just stated above what the assertion of notability was, which was present at the time you mis-tagged the article as a speedy. Furthermore, you didn't have the consideration to notify me that you'd tagged the article. Argyriou (talk) 07:06, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

have some "no personal attacks" boilerplate SLAMMO

anyway.

Yes, I am certainly aware now that the article is probably not worthy of deletion, and apologize for my mistake. I further apologize for not notifying you; it was a mere oversight and you'll find if you look at my contributions that I am indeed in the habit of notifying the authors of candidates for speedy deletion -- even when those candidates were not tagged as such by me! It was a mere oversight.

However, I maintain that I was blameless in tagging the article as a CSD. I acted on the information I had at the time.

I certainly don't think any of this warrants some sort of ridiculous grudge and such uncivil behavior. Please calm down!

tgies 07:39, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] And what exactly is your excuse for speedy deletion?

You marked an article for speedy deletion on the basis that it was about a person, band, club, etc, but it's about a new technology. You are inexcusably unprofessional, how can you expect not to receive personal attacks when your behavior is thus?!

Now, restore the stub article and the HDMR abbreviation immediately. I will be escalating this matter.

Daniel Santos 06:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I didn't even nominate it. I was just supporting whoever did. And they didn't nominate it "on the basis that it was about a person, band, club, etc"; they nominated it on the basis that it contained no proof of notability, per WP:CSD criterion A7. It also fit criterion A1.

I find it interesting that you're calling me unprofessional, considering how very worked up you're getting about this. Calm down.

"Escalate the matter" as you see fit, and let me know when you do -- I wouldn't miss that laugh riot for the world!

Thank you for participating in the Interwebs,

tgies 07:28, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I was quite worked up wasn't I? Forgive my lack of tollerence for stupid acts (not a personal attack, but an insult to your actions). Well sorry for the incorrect accusation on marking the article. You did, however, agree to delete it.

However, if you read what you linked to me, paid attention at all to the content of what you agreed to delete, and engaged cranial matter, you should notice that my stub article on Hardware Direct MIDI Routing was not an appropriate candidate for speedy deletion under notability as the deletion policy only allows for speedy deletion if the article is:

about a non-notable person, group, band, company, club, or website that does not even assert the notability of the topic

Had you been doing your work, you would have noticed that the article is not about a "person, group, band, company, club, or website". Perhaps you forgot to read footnote 5 of the notability policy as well as failing to see that speedy deletion is not justified under WP:CSD and that the article was additionally tagged as hangon.

I will consider this correspondence and your reply as satisfying step 2 of the dispute resolution procedures and will escalate tomorrow if still not corrected. Since User:Eagle_101 and yourself both took part to delete an article outside of Wikipedia policy, I will address both of you in the complaint. And thank you for notifying me via my talk page.

Daniel Santos 08:33, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

You still haven't gotten around to the part where you explain away how the article qualifies under criterion A1. Which is, you know, what I actually said -- A7 was the other user's reason.

You're also forgetting the fact that we didn't delete the article. An admin did. An admin who agreed with the tagging user and I. That's the person you want to go after with your mighty Wikipedia vengeance.

And you can't actually force either of us to recreate the article, I'm afraid. That's your problem. Why don't you just recreate it? Granted, I'll tag it for deletion myself, but maybe you'll get lucky and get an admin who agrees with you this time. tgies 08:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Clouds

I don't accept your definition of Clouds not being 'notable'. If you read the sources I left at the foot of the page, you'd find all the sources and verification you need. A cursory glance at Amazon. com, both in the Uk and the Usa, will show you who Clouds were. If you checked the Clouds website (www.cloudsmusic.com) as I originally suggested, you'd find yet more articles and references, including the 4 page MOJO Magazine article about Clouds/1-2-3 which credited them with 'The Birth of Prog', and in which, David Bowie describles Billy Ritchie as 'an unrecognised genius'. 'The History of Scottish Rock & Pop' is a BBC book (Guinness Publishing) - there seems ample source confirmation of everything said in the article. Unless the criteria is something completely different than I understand it to be, I don't see how the band can be dismissed as 'not notable'. Please re-check sources and advise, thank you User:Matthew.Hartington11;31 7 December 2006

You may make your dissent known in the article's deletion vote page, but please first read WP:MUSIC so you will understand why this fails Wikipedia's definition (not just my definition!) of notability. tgies 11:38, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for responding so promptly, and for the pointers/links....as regards the WP:MUSIC link, Clouds pass on sections 1;4;5;6;12. They made many recordings for Island Records; Chrysalis Records; London Deram, and recently, BGO; they took part in several major tours of both the UK (including The Albert Hall - reviewed in the Sunday Times) and Europe (The Island Records tour which featured 4 groups, Jethro Tull;Clouds; Spooky Tooth; Free -in that order of billing), plus two American tours which included several appearances at the Fillmores East and West. Much more detail on all this available if necessary. Thanks for your help in resolving this issue. User: Matthew.hartington 11:51 7 December 2006

If that is indeed the case, you may be correct in asserting that the band in question is worthy of inclusion on Wikipedia -- my apologies for any inconvenience if this turns out to be the case! I encourage you to present this evidence on the deletion vote page, as mentioned above, so that the community may better gauge the worthwhileness of the article. In any case, I appreciate your civility and hope you enjoy your future ventures in editing Wikipedia.

P.S.: I see you're signing your comments by hand, by typing out your username and the time, et cetera. You might find this handy: Just type "~~~~" without the quotes at the end of your comment and it will be signed automatically. tgies 11:57, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for that message, and as you've also noted, I'm rather splashing around in the water, having not yet learned to swim in this pool - only joined an hour or so ago! So I do appreciate the patience and help . It's probably my ignorance of computers, but at the moment, I can't see the type-key that gives the symbol you mention as a shortcut. As regards the article and its inclusion, I do understand that you can't just let anyone type anything unsubstantiated into the system, but all the facts concerning Clouds are very much in the public domain, in the books and articles I've cited, as well as the recording history of the band. Amazon is one current easy source - a good link is 'Scrapbook/Watercolour Days' , two of the Clouds albums currently available. Colin Larkin's music business reference work 'The Encyclopedia of Popular Music' is another good pointer, though Colin is currently undertaking a new contribution regarding Clouds to take account of relatively recent history re-writes. Meanwhile, sorry for the floundering, and thanks for all your help. Matthew.hartington 12:10 7 December 2006

P.S. : Found the ~ above the # key! thank you —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Matthew.hartington (talk • contribs) 12:14, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

Floundering is OK, and you're not doing that badly -- and at least you're not one of those people who goes around intentionally defacing pages! I've gone ahead and posted a little standard welcome message on your talk page with some helpful links to get you up to speed on the standards and such. Have fun!

I'm off to bed now, by the way, so leave a message on the New contributors' help page if you need help quickly. Just scroll down the page a bit and click the "Click here to ask your question about editing Wikipedia" link (it's on a blue bar), and you'll get an edit screen to type your message. Make sure to add a subject line in the field up on top.

tgies 12:23, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I saw those links - and thank you again, I'm only just beginning to realise what fun this could be, I had stumbled across the entries to two other bands called 'Clouds' whose contribution was not of the same order as the 60's incarnation, so innocently/stupidly thought I'd correct it - little did I know what I was getting into! But it does seem to open up some interesting doors too - many thanks!"Matthew.hartington 12:31, 7 December 2006 (UTC)"

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this sux I HATE YOU SUGGESTBOT >((((((((((((((((( tgies 04:09, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question about Wikipedia:Wikiproject user warnings

Copied from my talk page, respond there please.

Hey, I see you seem to sort-of-run Wikipedia:Wikiproject user warnings. I would like to propose a standard for all user warnings -- can you point me to the preferred place to do that? Thanks, tgies 06:05, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

No problems at all. On the project main page is a link to the harmonisation page, leave your proposal there. Have a good look through the existing overview page, and the template example that's already been created. Cheers Khukri ^{(talk . contribs)} 20:06, 10 December 2006 (UTC)