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[edit] What happened on the Moon

Please see my discussion on the article's talk page. --Brianyoumans 06:32, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] White supremacy

Hi. I've just reverted your recent edit to White Supremacy, because there is no evidence that Pat B. is a White Supremacist, or even a White Separatist (which are not the same thing, by the way!).

Please note the introductory paragraph for the section you edited:

What follows is merely a list of contemporary figures who are primarily known for their current support of white supremacy. The majority of people who are part of the "White Power" movement denounce any type of association with Racial Supremacism. They characterize the label as a misconceived epithet or a pejorative stereotype, and consider themselves advocates of racial separatism or nationalism, which they see as opposed to racial supremacism. Most "White Power" activists are opposed to living in a multi-racial society, whereas racial supremacism demands a multi-racial society.

If you wish to argue that Buchanan is a full-fledged White Supremacist, then (as a HTML comment following that paragraph says)

**** PLEASE VISIT Talk:White supremacy/Workspace-People before editing here.
**** Changes which are not explained and justified there are may be blindly reverted.

Cheers, CWC(talk) 15:31, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ignorance

You are wrong that Hindu Nationalism mandates caste. Several HN people have denounced casteism.Hkelkar 12:21, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Please discuss with me, knowing wikipedia policies like No original Research WP:NOR, Verifiability WP:V and NO PERSONAL ATTACKS or INCIVILITY WP:NPA and WP:Civility.Hkelkar 12:31, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

national hinduists are afraid of Christianity because it threatens their caste system. Without hinduism the cast system wouldn't exist.

[edit] Hinduism according to BBC

Hinduism teaches that most humans were created from parts of the body of the divinity Purusha. According to which body parts they were created from, humans fall into four basic castes which define their social standing, who they can marry, and what jobs they can do. [1]

[edit] Caste System according to BBC

Traditionally, there were four main varnas, plus one group of outsiders:

• The Brahmins, or priests: the highest varna, believed to have emerged from Brahma's mouth.
• The Kshatriyas:the warrior or ruling class who were made from Brahma's arms.
• The Vaishyas: merchants or artisans who came from Brahma's thighs.
• The Shudras: the unskilled labourers and servants who emerged from Brahma's feet. These were the lowest class, or varna.
• The Untouchables: those too lowly to be within the varna system.

Source:The Caste System

[edit] Carefully crafted mis-citations and misinformation above

Don't conflate the Caste System with Hinduism. read about the Caste System among Muslims and the Caste System of Yemen.

The Muslim Caste system is established by the Islamic Fatwa of the Fatwa-i-Jahandari. It is not connected to Hinduism

Caste and Social Stratification Among Muslims in India by P.Aggarwal

Political thought in the Delhi Sultanate is a book that translates the Fatwa-i-Jahandari

Aspects of Caste in South India, Ceylon and North-West Pakistan by Edmund Ronald

Changing Social Stratification in Rural Bangladesh by Imam Ali

The Untouchables of Yemen are not connected to Hinduism

http://www.yemenmirror.com/index.php?action=showDetails&id=136

http://www.yementimes.com/99/iss01/l&d.htm

Christian Caste System in India:

http://concise.britannica.com/ebc/article-9360711/Christian-caste

http://indianhope.free.fr/site_eng/article_5.php3

Hkelkar 12:45, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Caste System not connected to Vedanta or Smartism

Caste System was detailed in the Manusmriti. The Manusmriti was written after Vedanta so anyone like a Smarta Hindu who rejects the authority of post-vedantic scripture rejects the Caste System.

Please learn about things you hate because you are ignorant of them.Let's not talk about Christianity and anti-Semitism and the long history of racism associated with Christianity.Hkelkar 13:02, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More Information

About Muslim Castes in India

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00ambedkar/ambedkar_partition/410.html

Book by Babasaheb Ambedkar (famous anti-Caste activist in India)

http://www.indianexpress.com/story/12109.html

Article by a MUSLIM detailing the Muslim Caste System.

Hkelkar 03:43, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No Personal attacks

Please do not remove legitimate warnings from your talk page or replace them with inappropriate content. Removing or maliciously altering warnings from your talk page will not remove them from the page history. You're welcome to archive your talk page, but be sure to provide a link to any deleted legitimate comments. If you continue to remove or vandalize legitimate warnings from your talk page, you will lose your privilege of editing your talk page. Thanks.

Do not make personal attacks against me or anyone on wikipedia. This diff:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indian_caste_system&diff=prev&oldid=81580267

Is completely unacceptable. Please discuss civilly concerning a subject about which you seem to know very little and don;t understand the intricacies and subtleties.Hkelkar 12:15, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Please do not make personal attacks on other people. Wikipedia has a policy against personal attacks. In some cases, users who engage in personal attacks may be blocked from editing by administrators or banned by the arbitration committee. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Please resolve disputes appropriately. Thank you.

Hkelkar

[edit] I am not an anti-Christian

Please see my contributions on Persecution of Christians.Hkelkar 12:33, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wherever there is Hinduism there is Caste System??

What about Yemen? There is no Hinduism there yet there is a Caste System.I already gave you the al-Akhdham references. Read them.What about your Latin America (I presume that's where you're from, sorry if I'm wrong). There is a well-oiled Caste System in most Latin American Countries (even your apparent hero Hugo Chavez alluded to this with the White Anglo overlords against the Mestizo underlords). Where are the Hindus hereHkelkar 07:45, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Caste System in latin America

http://www.zonalatina.com/Zldata55.htm

See Casta. The very word "Caste" is Portuguese in origin, not Hindu or Indian.

Yucatan Caste War:

http://www.sup.org/book.cgi?book_id=4000%204001%20

Race and Class in Latin America by Magnus Morner

http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0002-8762(197112)76%3A5%3C1626%3ARACILA%3E2.0.CO%3B2-6

Hkelkar 08:34, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Have you read WP:NPOV?

After looking over your contributions, I'd like to say that the biggest reason you are having trouble with the caste system article is because you are not writing neutral prose. If you have not read the Wikipedia:Neutral point of view policy, now would be a good time to do so. Basically, you should try to tone your contributions so that they do not come across as being excessively negative towards the article subject. For instance, in your addition here you did not attribute the statement about Hinduism and the class system to anyone, so it looked as if Wikipedia was making this claim. Similarly, phrasing your talk page comments to be less polemical would be helpful. --tjstrf 08:51, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blocked for WP:3RR violation

You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future.

Gwernol 13:20, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

For evading the above block, I have reset it to 24 hours starting now. Mangojuice^talk 14:25, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cucuta City

Would you like to help with the Cucuta article? --F3rn4nd0 00:04, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Interesting

Why this sudden interest in bashing Hindus? Did you lose your job to an Indian and want to vent on wikipedia? Just asking.Hkelkar 21:08, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

To answer your question:

I was shocked to watch on the news that Dalits were converting by the thousands to Christianity and other religions to scape the brutal system of discrimination that exists in India. That in a country that claims to be a secular democracy, there are laws to prohibit people from changing religion. That people were forcefully converted into Hinduism and included into the caste system.

The news just took me by surprise, I watched them on TV, and then on the newspapers, and then on the internet. It was true. I was even more surprised to find out that there were about 200 million of Dalits in India and that most of them live in misserable conditions, almost like beggars. I also learned that Indians of other castes regard Dalits as somehting so low that its not worth talking about, in other words as something that doesn't exist. Then I became concerned. This doesn't look like a democracy to me. That's not a country or a culture that you would take as a model, but just as an example of how wrong things could go and stay that wrong for thousands of years. It is very scary, very anti-human and I would say it is abominable.--tequendamia 11:04, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

In other words you lost your job to an Indian and now want to rant about "Caste System" in India? let's not talk about Caste System in your country amigo.Hkelkar 19:31, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I was shocked to watch on the news that Communism was so prevalent in Latin America. Despots like Hugo Chavez and madmen like Che Guevara hijacking oil reverves and holding entire nations hostage. It seems thousands of Latinos are turning to communism to apparently escape the brutal system of Castas in Latim American countries.

The news just took me by surprise, I watched them on TV, and then on the newspapers, and then on the internet. It was true. I was even more surprised to find out that there are millions of "Mestizos" and other lower castes in Latin American countries who are clamoring to get into the USA to escape the Latin American Caste System with the "whiter" overlords in command in large parts of Mexico, Guatemala and Honduras. This does not look like a stable or just society to me. What an example of how badly wrong things can get and stay wrong for hundreds of years, that the vestiges of colonial Spanish/Portuguese racism are alive and well in Latin America. Gasp! How atrocious indeed. To top it all, so many latinos try to deflect attention from the problems in their countries by coming to wikipedia and ranting about the Indian Caste System and bashing Indians (Despite the fact that India is a rising potential superpower, has it's own space program, the second laegest Army in the world, Nuclear capabilities and an HDI that is exceeded only by Mexico in Latin America, and Latin American countries like Haiti are wallowing in their own feces in comparison, and Latin American countries like El-Salvador , Venezuela and Honduras are little more than banana republics run by tin pot dictators that we could wipe out in minutes if needed). It is very scary, inhuman and abominable :) .Hkelkar 20:38, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh yes. I've found some juicy books in my University Library about Castes in Latin America. Definitely expanding on that wikipedia article. This should be a whole lotta fun amigo!Hkelkar 20:48, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

So like Bush you agree that Hugo Chavez and Evo Morales should resign and hand their power back to the whites, and get their own presidential versions of Vicente Fox to rule thier country, like in Mexico. Right? So Bush would stop screaming to them "communists!".--tequendamia 20:53, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Communism and socialism are diseases. They should be completely wiped off, no exceptions, no compromises.Anything is better than communism.Hkelkar 21:38, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

What you people need are representative democracies and not military dictatorships that change hands once every three months. India has NEVER been a military dictatorship. the one time it came close, under Indira Gandhi, she got indicted by the Supreme Court and executed by her own bodyguards. Will the Venezuelan Courts be able to indict Chavez for being one of the most dangerous dictators in the world, being such an asshat in the U.N and making demented rants about Bush being a "Sulfur-smelling Satan"? lol!Hkelkar 21:42, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Do you think you are reasonable? You sound to me like more like an advocate of social and racial discrimination, which is consistent with the defence you make of the Hindu caste system. Now, Chavez (a mestizo) was elected by the mestizo majority of his country. Evo Moreales (a 'red' Indian) was elected by the 'red' Indian majority of his country as well. That of course is sacrilegious for someone who advocates a caste system as well as for someone who proclaims the white supremacy. No wonder despite these two leaders having been elected by majorities they are regarded as communists. It reminds me as well that communists were a threat to the systems of social and racial discriminations supported by wealthy minorities, because of their social equality utopias.--tequendamia 08:52, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Communism is a threat to the civilized world because communists have massacred more people than all the castes of all the religions of the world put together.Stalin and the Ukranian holodomor, Mao's "Cultural revolution" and "Great leap forward",Pol-pot's killing fields, and now the communist hero Kim Jong-Il, who has reduced a once prosperous land into a dark feudal dump.I do not advocate for any damn caste system. I do not advocate half-truths and lies spread by socialists and libertarians as part of their terrorist-sympathetic agenda.Yes, I know all about Hugo Chavez and his associations with Mahmud Ahmadinejad the holocaust denier and financier of terrorist Hezbollah."Social equality utopias, indeed". Then why is it that Venezuela has among the largest collection of poor in South America?All this despite having boatloads of oil to dance over? At least India, despite all of it's problems, is democratic enough to progress past the black hole it had gotten itself into during the 60's and uplift the world's largest middle class into an information-based economy and a constantly improving standard of living. 20 years ago, there was no electricity in large parts of the northeastern India. Today, cell-towers have connected the entire region and facilities are being built everywhere from Imphal to Dispur.Of course, that's great for the terrorists, more targets, right?Communists in India have slaughtered countless people. Check out your buddies here:

Communist Party of India (Maoist)

I'd rather have RSS running India than these whack-jobs.Hkelkar 00:12, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Sadly the RSS does not advocate the caste system, nor does it condone casteism.Bakaman _Bakatalk 01:16, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Click me:

In particular the second last statement "At the same time, Dalits got experience of the people from so-called Anti-Dalit organisations, RSS, VHP, Bajrang Dal etc. coming to their rescue risking their own lives."Hkelkar 06:45, 6 November 2006 (UTC)