Talk:Tenjin Shinyo-ryu
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They are all the same. I've replaced the text in each with redirects to this page.
also Ueshiba studied a bit of Judo when he was young - not this ryu. I've removed the reference.Peter Rehse 03:53, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Ueshiba did do Judo when he was young there are no dispute here. But there is a common problem among historians, even Ueshiba son, the late Kissomaru Ueshiba misquoted in one of his books that his father studied Kito ryu instead of Tenjin Shinyo Ryu.
According to the information gathered through research and interviews done by Aikido journal editor,Mr.Stanly Pranin (Aikido historian) and also by Kubota Sensei(current Tenjin Shinyo Ryu headmaster) indicated that Ueshiba sensei did study tenjin shinyo ryu,(please view the lineage chart provided on the external link).Ueshiba studied under one of Iso Mataemon students by the name of Tozawa Tokusaburo. However he did not spent long time learning Tenjin Shinyo Ryu (maybe for aprox 2-3 years).
the stuff on Goshin Ryu or whatever is totally baseless. On my last visit to Japan around last year, Kubota sensei DID NOT mention or indicated about any changes within the system or any so caled "new stream". This is a mere publicity stunt to promote this particular individual school (breakaway) without any proper approval by the current Tenjin Shinyo Ryu headmaster Kubota Sensei. Why would Kubota Sensei suddenly be "inspired" to change the teachings passed on by his teacher,instead of keeping it pure ? Goshinjyutsu (translated "self defence jujutsu")curiculum is ridiculous, isnt Tenjin Shinyo Ryu system is enough to be used as a self defence art instead of having to augment its "GOSHIN" (self defence) elements ?
