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This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Tenchi Muyo! article.
To-do list for Tenchi Muyo!: edit · history · watch · refresh
  • Copyedit and run through a grammer/spell checker or request a bot improve
  • Perfect main page Info Box
  • Add an Info Box and a character box to all TM pages
  • Shorten Main TM article and condense for easy yet relevent reading
  • Make Galleries of the characters and add images to all the character pages
  • Improve the TM articles and all new ones created by the shifting of information
  • Move most information from the main article to seperate subpages for easy reading
  • Move all Charatcers to their own seperate character pages.

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[edit] Addition to the Trivia Section

I'd like to add Amagasaki's cameo in All Purpose Cultural Catgirl Nuku Nuku under trivia, but I wanted to make sure it's kosher first. What does everyone say?

[edit] Move to new title?

I have half a mind to move this to Tenchi Muyo! (with the exclamation point) because that's the official title. Any comments? RadicalBender 22:41, 20 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Well, since no one responded, I decided to move it unilaterally. :) It is the correct title, and I've already fixed all the requisite links. Have a nice day. :) RadicalBender 20:20, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I agree with the move. WhisperToMe 17:53, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)
The original title's Tenchimuyou!, so I would rather this be moved to that, with a redirect. -- Aphrael Runestar 02:21, 2004 Sep 16 (UTC)
Forgot to attribute that to myself. ^^;; -- Aphrael Runestar 02:21, 2004 Sep 16 (UTC)
Is that romanization used in the Japanese comic? And even if it is, the English title is "Tenchi Muyo!" WhisperToMe 07:30, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Much as I really truly believe in things-that-one-has-to-infer-to-know in series, the fact remains that 'cabbit' is a fan term and Mihoshi is never conclusively shown or hinted to be related to Washuu. This article has a few other factual problems, but is otherwise great. ^_^

A lot of that is lifted from the various novels and drama CDs produced. --Paul Soth 15:39, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Give Noike more respect

I'm very happy that the character list had a complete makeover, but I'm a little annoyed that Noike Jurai was placed in the 'other characters' catagory. She's a main character and should be placed in the 'main character' column.

[edit] Errata

I've made some additions and corrections to the entry. In particular, I have eliminated some opinions in favor of some of Kajishima's statements. There's probably more that could be corrected, though.... TM!R is such a complex topic that it can warrant its own mini-enyclopedia, but who has the time?

[edit] Clarification of an edit in the spoilers section

The following was written originally:

The second is Tenchi Muyo! GXP, which was released in 2001, this spinoff takes place during the original OVA timeline, right after the events in the third OVA series, although it is actually a spinoff, however many fans consider it to be a continuation of the OVA timeline.

Even if this weren't a run-on sentence, I can't see how it can make any sense. If it's a "contuation of the OVA timeline", that doesn't preclude it being a spinoff as well. Also, in what way is it not a continuation of the OVA timeline? It's set in the OVA timeline and it takes place after the latest OVAs. That it's about different characters doesn't change this.

I replaced it with:

The second is Tenchi Muyo! GXP, which was released in 2001. It is unique amongst Tenchi spin-offs in that it takes place during the original OVA continuity, directly after the events in the third OVA series.

Philip Reuben 00:44, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Hang on - GXP takes place about a year after OAV3. I'll check to be sure, but I know it's not directly after. Conawn

That's right. There's about a year's worth of leeway between the finalé with Z in OVA3 and GXP's opening. I imagine the special falls somewhere around that timeframe as well. Papacha
There's got to be time for OAV4 for one thing.Conawn

[edit] Needed: Monumental Undertaking

  • Someone with more time and a better stock of knowledge than I should probably make some kind of branching timeline to explain the different universes and stuff. -Litefantastic 3 July 2005 20:25 (UTC)

I've made some changes to mention the manga more and give details on how movie 2 fits into continuity. It still needs at least two changes:

-- The manga in English includes adaptions of movies 1 and 2, which don't fit the rest of the manga. I believe that these adaptions were separate from the rest of the manga in Japanese but have no ready reference.

-- Tenchi in Tokyo has been criticized for changing plotlines midstream. One example is that it was suggested that Yugi was released in episode 1 where that isn't the case later on. It will take someone with more time than me to find properly referenced examples of such things.

-- It also has more typos (Tv?) and bad sentences than I care to fix right now. Ken Arromdee

[edit] Critical mass

I think the Tenchi page is probably big enough to break up into separate pages at this point. Please make suggestions on what sections it should be broken into. -Litefantastic 00:25, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

I suggest separate pages for Tenchi Universe, Tenchi in Tokyo and the Movies. GXP and Pretty Sammy have their own pages already. - Squilibob 00:07, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

No, I would suggest to have a seperate section for the Characters like with the anime Fullmetal Alchemist so that way it would be a good way of expanding the character sections. Adv193, 3:57, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh you mean the template, Template:Characters of Fullmetal Alchemist. Yes that is a good idea, since there is sufficient information on a lot of the characters. - Squilibob 07:06, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Canon?

I think the recent changes are questionable. I really don't want to get into an edit war, but claiming that one version of Tenchi is canon and others are not is extremely questionable. I was pretty careful when mentioning movie 2 not to give primacy to one over another; these recent changes alter that for no good reason. I am aware that the FAQ says that one is canon and another isn't; it gives no source, however. The best you can say is something like "Kajishima is the series' original character concept designer. The canon accepted by Kajishima is...."

Furthermore, phrases like "it is a treat to see..." and "the movie is very weak" don't belong in a Wikipedia article.

The link to the Tenchi FAQ doesn't work, either.

If nobody can give me a good reason why not to, I'm going to change this back. Ken Arromdee 22:03, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

What is the meaning of the paragraph "However, even though the manga is thought of as non-canon to the anime, it can be thought of as a alternate reality to the OVA. So, in a sense, the Manga is another alternate telling of the story in the Tenchi Muyo series." Any story which is non-canon to X can be thought of as an alternate reality or telling of X; such a sentence provides no new information.

I'm going to remove that paragraph in a few days unless someone can explain what it means that is not already said elsewhere.

And "It is also good to note" doesn't belong in an encyclopedia.

Also, if you know, could you clarify: are these separate manga series actually separate series in Japan? 4.154.97.172 02:46, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Edits

I've cleaned up and shortened a few paragraphs.

And who put in things like "The tree is of course referenced in the "soul of the ship", and further connects to "spring" and the "awakening of sexual desire"."? That makes no sense, and is obviously cut from some other source. Similarly, "Light Hawk Wings, also known as the Wings of the Light Hawk" is a completely useless reference, and many paragraphs are filled with silly wording and useless trivia that if used at all should go in the characters' own articles, not here.

The whole thing still needs massive editing; this is just the tip of the iceberg. Ken Arromdee 15:55, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Oh snap...this page is a lovely perfection compared to other anime title wiki's. The Naruto and Dragonball oriented sections are worse off than this page will ever be.

[edit] Chronological order

I haven't seen this series so I'm not qualified to do what I'm suggesting, but a chronological (in the fiction) order of the series should be put up. Or at least a "suggested viewing order". Because there's so many different Tenchi Muyo series and episodes it's downright confusing. --Cyde Weys talkcontribs 13:32, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] infobox added INFORMATION NEEDS FILLING IN EXPERTS ON TM PLEASE RESPOND

As the title describes

The Info Box is very very easy to edit...

Its frankly obvious, just someone!!! please replace all the question marks with vaild information!!!!

[edit] ToDo Box and tasks

If we take Oh My Goddess! to be an extremley good article you will notice several things

  • The article is short and contains information only relevent to the series as a whole not particular "stuff"
  • That it doesnt include character information, series information or episode information. This is all contained in seperate articles, where the title of the article represents the information and only the information that is within that article, no more.

(so by clicking on belldandy one gets information only on here and her charatcer, and also the extremley good info box...)

My problem with the TM article is that is long and doesnt read well. I would advise all interested in improving the TM article to read the oh my goddees article and all its sub-pages. Compare and contrast it to TM and then apply all the advantages it has over ours. Believe me, TM needs a LOT of cleaning (as i am sure you know)

i have actually bothered to read all the oh my goddess files as it is so much easier to do, to be perfectly honest i havnt really read the TM article.

Actually I have been thinking of dividing the character page and placing the character of the OVA's inside of the OVA page section so we can complete that section, and the TV series characters in their repective pages. This way we can cut down on page page as it is 56kb, and we can add more characters to it. For the movies and their characters the second can be put in the OVA section since it was based off an OVA cannon and the first and third can be put in Tenchi Universe section. While a new section should be created for the manga and their characters. The main page should just be reserved for the Tenchi, Ryoko, Ayeka, Sasami, Mihoshi, Washu, Kiyone, Ryo-ohki, Katsuhito, Nobuyuki, Azaka, Kamidake, Kagato, and Tsunami (So I can put in Pretty Sammy information) since they appear in mulitple series. I would also like to create an offical manga page for the manga series since if we put the characters there it will make it easier for people to understand. Finally for the OVA characters, only Seriyo Tennan's, (To replace the one in that section with the one on the main page because it has more detail, but put in a few elements from the other profile into this one.). Airi Masaki, and Seto Kamiki Jurai's profiles should be kept in the GXP page since they have more a presenence in that series than in the OVA's or to just take out the GXP information from Seiryo Tennan page on the main page and just put that in the OVA page. Lastly each different Tenchi page should have a Voice list section put in similar to the one on the GXP page.
So by doing this we can a. cut down on page space on the main page. b. have the potential to add in new character profiles for different characters of different series. c. be able for inexperienced readers to have an easier time of understanding the material from different series. --Adv193
I feel that as long as we can achieve something of a similar quality to the oh my goddess page and subpage we would really be getting somewhere... maybe we could have an oppose and support thread and put our heads together for ways of improving this... Crampy20 18:01, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
In order to enlist some help, i have added this article to the anime and manga improvment list, i hope there are no objections? Crampy20 13:56, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Character Box (not info box)

I have created a charcter box here

i think is possibly arguable, and it is not entirely finished yet... please take a look as i plan on putting it on the bottom of every TM character page.Crampy20 14:31, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

I have also created charcter pages for all the major characters and villans, i havent actually written anything, but i have done a redirection from say Ayeka -> Ayeka Masaki Jurai and added in a message saying that the pages are "pending". Hopefully some people can do a write up.Crampy20 14:31, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Okay

I have undertaken the task to move charcters to their own pages.

Thus the article is 0.5x the length. And while still no where near perfect, its going somewhere.

i would say that in terms of the Oh My Goddess! article we are now 1/10's of the way to getting there. Obviously now all the character pages need to be improved, they all need GOOD pictures and the info boxs need filling out. And personaly just have the character box under the character section isnt perfect (i did it) but as this is getting overhauled slowly this is the best i can do...

Crampy20 13:42, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

I Have made a gallery for Kagato as a baseline for uploading tm images.

[edit] The next step

My idea for the next step is that we can place all the minor incedental characters into the seperate series pages as it would be easier to write small articles for them, for example for the OVA page we can put down characters such Kiyone Masaki, The Innkeeper, Taro Masaki, the GP Commander and Section Chief, Tenchi's old classmates, Misao Kuramitsu, and any other minor character in the OVA's. Then to place a voice actor list at the bottom of the page, for all the characters in that series. While all the manga characters can also in the OVA series section as they were based around that continuity.

Finally the only other character I was think of putting in the template is Kazuhiko Amagasaki and Seiryo Tennan (Which includes moving his profile from the GXP page) as they have appeared in multiple series --Adv193

Sounds decent to me. Does this mean just have all the other series mirror the GXP page when it comes to the minor characters and voice cast? If I enter in the names, kanji/kana, and voice cast, will someone help in adding in the descriptions? I can probably do a decent enough job doing descriptions in Pretty Sammy since it's the part I've watched over the most at this point. EmperorBrandon 18:43, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
I disagree, adding random articles for random characters is frankly a waste of time and space. Adding a article for characters that span more than 2 episodes, then yes that is worthwhile. Voice actors is a must, images are a must, i have recently got bogged down with work and was planning on adding character galleries, i did a small one for kagato but couldnt continue. I probably wont be on very oftent this week. Crampy20 16:24, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, That is what I am suggesting, since it is way of preserving all the old manga character descripitons as well as make new profiles and add a voice actors list, since I also use Anime News Network as my provider for that information. Besides I can also help with Pretty Sammy profiles as well since I own all three Dvds to the Pretty Sammy as well as all the other Tenchi Muyo volumes out on the market and I can pull them out to help me with good effective descriptions. For example I recently updated the Azaka and Kamidake and I used my Dvd to confirm that they made a brief appearance in the final episode of the Pretty Sammy Tv series. --Adv193

I own all the Tenchi DVDs, and I'm going to add more screenshots for the profile pages for the characters that don't have piccies. Duo02 *Shout here!** 19:05, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recent vandalism

What the heck is Papacha's problem? I've had to remove his vandalism from Seto Jurai's profile! I mean, some of what he said was downright gross! BiggKwell

From the looks of it is not the User Papacha who had been vandalising that article but rather an unregistered user who addressed themself as Papacha. This kind of message should only be posted if the user themself had commit the vandalism. -Adv193 13:14, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Ooooo, false testimony! That's far too awesome, so much so I'm collecting a running tab of all the bogus stuff I've been accused of lately. Behold!
    1. Finding the G-spot; something at least three women within the Houston city limits AND a circus midget can attest to. Anything else was just random chance.
    2. Being witty enough to come up with prose like this. In my dreams, mebbe...
    3. And the one that cuts the deepest - I subscribe to AOL-Time Warner. That one hurts. o_0


So yeah, no vandalism for me (a buzz-killer, to be sure). To make it up to you, I would ask that you use rollbacks instead of do-it-yourself removal in the future, as stuff tends to be missed when done manually. 'kay? Papacha 18:26, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Well whoever it is, it is obvious he is an anime-hater. Sorry if I misunderstood BiggKwell

[edit] Should GXP and Pretty Sammy be added to the infobox...?

While originally I was going to be bold and go on ahead, I thought I might look for consensus and others' opinions on this one before moving forward.

I'm all for it, though YMMV. Papacha 22:04, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question about Nippon Television

Nippon Television (NTV) was involved in the production of the third OVA after Geneon pulled out. BiggKwell

I would agree since I saw them in the end credits when I was using my DVD to gather the end credits info in order to put the ending info for OVA 3 on the Tenchi Muyo Ryo-Ohki page. After Checking it again it said Producded by Nippon Television and VAP at the very end of the credits -Adv193 19:28, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Should GXP/Noike be considered main links in the TM! chain?

Okay, the GXP cast is under-repped. Though that brings up an interesting point, the same Cat and I chatted about a while back - what qualifies as "main-MAIN" within a large anime franchise? Seina and company are big unto themselves, but they're only one branch of the extended anime/manga tree. The core OVA group and Kiyone (the cop, not the prank-pullin', <<< than Achika dead mom) are focal or referenced in lots of alternate features or shows. Would everyone be cool with GXP'ers being considered synonymous with the usual suspects of Tenchi media?

I'll bring this up too, as it's yet to be resolved either - Noike's going to be a fixture in the OVAs from here-on-in, like her or not; she's already factored as much in the third bit of Tenchi Muyo Ryo-Ohki as Washu did throughout the second. Does she deserve to make it *big* as well, or is she just not "established" enough yet? Papacha 05:19, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I believe it should be. Noike has became a major character in Tenchi, so yes. BiggKwell 05:37, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Sure it is something I'll agree with since Noike has a played a major role in OVA 3. -Adv193 06:00, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

"ENJOY! AND... EXCITING~!!" </Misa>
I'll move Noike up the template. What of the rest? Papacha 06:05, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Either put the GXP main characters in the main section or create a special sub-section which could be called GXP main characters. Those are some of my suggestions. -Adv193 06:10, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Well, dang. Having two "mains" is redundant, and I'm against adding them to the mix as hub characters... ugh. What a bother, what a bother. Perhaps a further split with "Others" into, I dunno, place names like "Royalty of Jurai" (Azusa/Funaho/Misaki/Seto/etc.) and "Galaxy Police" (Seina and the rest/Minami/Misao should he get a page/Sabato/etc.), and then cut & paste as needed? "Others" could be kept for the square pegs that don't fit into any specific category, like Nagi/Sakuya/Mayuka/and chief characters that don't have a personal article.
This could be done whenever, but we really don't have to worry about it until the GP officers' pages are made. Papacha 06:29, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

You're right and in this case I accept your terms and I'll keep a close eye on my watchlist for any new changes. -Adv193 06:40, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

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