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[edit] Sub-Bosses

I feel the current format and the selection of characters in the "Sub-Boss" section is a bit awkward. Many of those characters haven't been merely sub-bosses since as far back as Tekken 1. In addition, more recent sub-bosses, such as Orge and Devil Jin, are in the Boss section. Personally, I don't think the Sub-Boss section holds any purpose and the characters listed should be integrated back into the regular cast. King Zeal 16:57, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

The main reason I changed it was because it was all in any old order. As I said, Ganryu was in misc and Wang wa in main characters. It didn't make sense. As it is now, I have seperated them into 3 groups. Main characters (Paul, Kazuya, Marduk and the like), sub-boss (below main characters - Wang, Armor King etc) and boss characters (the cheesey bosses such as Ogre, Jinpachi and Devil). I agree that sub-boss is a bit of a weird catergory, but the sheer amount of Tekken characters means the list needs to be split up. Finally - the misc. section for one of characters and relitively unknown characters (this section would be updated after Tekken 6, for example if Roger Jr wasn't a time released character in T6, he would then be dropped into the misc section)--Mr.bonus 17:56, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

The problem I have with this reasoning is that your basis for the change seems a little subjective. Your idea of what a "cheesy" or "relatively unknown" character needs to be clarified, because Eddy and Jun are quite well known and rather popular. By contrast, Lili and Dragunov are new, but hardly all that well known. I personally don't think splitting the cast into so many categories is necessary, as a simple distinction between charactera playable in the latest version of the game (Tekken 5: DR, at present), characters currently dropped from the roster (such as Jun, Combot and Miharu) and Bosses/Sub-Bosses should suffice. Other than that, being technical about who the "main" characters are will result in having the Mishimas (Kazuya, Jin and Heihachi) in one category and nearly everyone else in another.

Just my two cents. King Zeal 18:50, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I have put the groups together according to Dark Resurrection (the latest version). The main characters are the ones that have always been selectable from the beginning and don't share moves. The sub-bosses are the 'fake' characters that started off without their own movesets and had to be unlocked or time released. And the popular characters such as Jun, who may have been a main character (Jun was in Tekken 2, have been dropped and should be 'relegated' into misc. I think it all makes sense really. And as I've said, there are too manty characters to have in one big group (eg, all 33 characters from Dark Resurrection in one group). --Mr.bonus 22:29, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

In my opinion, whether or not characters share moves is irrelevant. Lee Chaolan, Kuma and Anna Williams may have started the series as mere clones of other characters, but have evolved to have their own unique movesets. It just seems outdated to have them in a "sub-boss" category when A)They haven't been sub-bosses for years and B) They've developed as unique characters. I don't understand why having a big group is a problem. It's not hard to navigate, and it was even put into alphabetical order. Really, how confusing would it be for someone to find "Jun" by looking right after "Jin"? Like I said, I just don't think the Sub-Boss category is necessary. King Zeal 12:20, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

What about if we renovated the box to include a section for "Current" characters (as of T5, or even T5:DR should we be so generous as to include Armor King)? The rest, that's to say, characters no longer featured such as Michelle, Ogre, and the like, could get a "Past Characters" section (of course, the name could most likely use some changing) whereas folks like Jane and Dr. Abel are part of miscellany. How's that sound? Gerk 07:17, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

That's almost exactly how it WAS. I personally think that makes sense. Keeping into account someone who may have only played the latest game in the series, wouldn't it be simpler for them to look up their favorite character (ex: Armor King) by looking at the general roster rather than an obscure "Sub-Boss" category? They wouldn't know why he's in that category in the first place, since they wouldn't have played any of the six Tekken games preceding Dark Resurrection. Once again, I just don't think it's all that necessary. King Zeal 12:20, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good. Shall we get to work? ^_~ Gerk 19:03, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I think all of you are being silly buggers. This doesn't amount to anything and the petty argument doesn't hold any relevance. I've changed the template myself to something more simplistic. without all the stupid semantics. -Zero^Talk 12:35, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

While I appreciate your opinion on the matter, Zero, I could have done without the slights. King Zeal 12:45, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. The character group wasn't the biggest problem. It was that some games were excluded and the order was all wrong. But now, the order is insane as they aren't alphabetical (eg/ Asuka is first, but Anna is half way down). As for Zero, I'm sick of your immature attitude. Me and King Zeal were having a discussion between our selves and you have to jump in and act like a superior being and tell us to shut up. I was wondering how long it would be before the self proclaimed leader of the Tekken pages forced his way in. Silly buggers...Cheeky tw@t --Mr.bonus 16:49, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I think you may have a point. I can precieve how my intervention can be interpreted as unintentionally offensive and I have retracted it accordingly with my apologies.

As for my proclamation of leadership over these articles Mr. bonus, I do not recall ever saying this and this serious accusation is very difficult to believe. Are you claiming my aspiration to simply do what I think best for the encyclopedia did not exist...? -Zero^Talk 00:41, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps we could just divide the group into an active roster and inactive roster based on the last game that has been released?Thequickbrownfoxjumpsoveralazydog 15:49, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Don't really see the necessity. The current list is fine. King Zeal 17:36, 13 September 2006 (UTC)