Talk:Ted Patrick

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"On June 12, 1971 Mrs. Samuel Jackson contacted Patrick to file a complaint concerning her missing son, Michael. Michael being nineteen, the police and FBI would not look for him. Michael was involved with the cult known as the Children of God. Patrick contacted other people whose relatives were in the cult and even “joined” them to know how the group operated. This is when he developed his method of deprogramming. He ultimately left his job to deprogram full-time."

What is that doing in the article? It sounds like a joke. Is this real? Superbeatles 23:14, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Superbeatles: Why does it sound like a joke to you? The passage is poorly worded, but I believe it is factual. Please remove the "disputed" template you just added to the main page unless you are going to point out a factual error (and if you can prove as much, feel free to fix it) or something that is actually disputed. --Monger 06:56, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Because, it has Mrs. Samuel L. Jackson's son, Michael Jackson, being kidnapped by the cult. Doesn't that sound remotely crazy? Where's the citation for this? Superbeatles 22:36, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
A citation would be helpful, but the above passage does not describe the fantasy you have interpreted from it. Samuel and Michael are common names. Jackson is a common surname. Michael Jackson (the singer) is not Samuel L. Jackson's (the actor) wife's son. The Michael Jackson you're thinking of would not have been 19 in 1971. And the text does not describe the deprogramee as having been kidnapped by the Children of God cult. I'm going to remove the {{disputed}} template from the article, as it seems you are confused. If you have evidence that the article is not factual, feel free to discuss or correct the error. --Monger 05:21, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Samuel, Michael, and Jackson are all common names. There's no assertion that the people involved are the celebrities. -Will Beback 12:27, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

According to The New York Times:

The group called the Citizens Freedom Foundation was organized by Ted Patrick, who has specialized in taking young people out of such groups, "deprogramming" them and returning them to their parents. [1]

Is this an NPOV article? Its few sentences mostly attack the man, from what appears to be a POV against him. There's no routine biographical info, official links, categories, etc. Writing an article which is solely an attack on its subject is not the point of editing Wikipedia, regardless of how verifiable the impugning information may be. A stub which isn't NPOV is better made into a sub-stub. -Willmcw 06:58, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)


The information I put in this article is all from Patrick's book, "Let Our Children Go." It was written in 1976. Does anyone have any more recent information. For example, in the book there is a trial which he appeals. Does anyone know the result of the appeal?

Changed description of deprogramming to what Patrick himself said and removed Religious Freedom Watch quote because this is not a reliable source. Also removed some irrelevant or POV info and added court information and a reference re deprogramming dealing with Patrick. --Irmgard 21:30, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] My reverts against Goswami

I'm not saying your texts are untrue, but they are not properly documented. And you simply can't quote your own website lectures [2], per WP:NOR. --Tilman 19:44, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Maybe you can find it in his own book? I have it, so I could easily verify it and wouldn't revert. However I won't do the initial research for you. --Tilman 20:00, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

That's not my website, we just happen to have the same last name. I hope you don't run into too many Smiths. No time, I'll fix this later. Jiva Goswami 20:06, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
www.acharyadeva.com's Goswami is Hridayananda dasa Goswami, for him Goswami is a title. For me, Jiva Goswami, Goswami is just part of my name, like McGillicutty, but not. It can be a title, can indicated caste in India, etc, but not for me. Sorry to disappoint. Jiva Goswami 20:13, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Seriously, Ted presents himself the best. Let him use his own unscripted, unedited words. I haven't read his book, although friends of mine are referenced in it. It may be presumptuous on my part, but it is exceptionally unlikely that he didn't have substantial assistance writing it. This 35 minute video gives a good view into his character and allows people to make their own judgment as to Mr. Patrick's place in human evolution. Jiva Goswami 21:29, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Of course he had assistance. The cover says "with Tom Dulack". --Tilman 06:02, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
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