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[edit] Article Licensing

Responding to User:Ram-Man's drive to get frequent Wikipedia contributors to broaden their licensing beyond the GFDL, I hearby state:

Multi-licensed into the public domain
I agree to multi-license my eligible text contributions, unless otherwise stated, under the GFDL and into the public domain. Please be aware that other contributors might not do the same, so if you want to use my contributions in the public domain, please check the multi-licensing guide.

[edit] List of rulers of Bhutan

Hey Technopilgrim,

Check out this article. I was reading your article about Ngawang Namgyal and I was wondering where he fits in on the list, because he doesn't appear to be on it. Thanks.

Oh, also, can you please help us out with Tenzin Gyatso, 14th Dalai Lama? It's the current Biography Collaboration of the Week and I noticed that you write a lot of articles on Tibet & Bhutan-related stuff. --Hottentot

I'm afraid I missed the party, but thanks for the invitation. Actually, I don't think I know that much about the Dalai Lama. Seems like a nice enough guy if you catch him in the right incarnation. Good luck. technopilgrim 21:16, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bhutan districts

Thanks for the email. I drew the map based on these names. I'll make the appropriate changes.

• Bumthang • Chukha • Dagana • Gasa • Haa • Lhuntse • Mongar • Paro • Pema-Gtashel • Punakha • Samdrup-Jonkhar • Samtse • Sarpang • Tashi Yangtse • Tashigang • Thimphu • Trongsa • Tsirang • Wangdue Phodrang • Zhemgang

I'm not sure if your aware, but we have three articles in the vicinity featured: 1) Kalimpong, 2) Sikkim 3) Gangtok. I was looking to add Bhutan to this list. User:Nichalp/sg 05:32, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

I've corrected the number and uploaded the new map. I've also uploaded the highlighted district maps. You can now place these maps in the district subpages. User:Nichalp/sg 06:03, August 10, 2005 (UTC)
Awesome work! I've updated about half the districts to use the new maps, I'll leave the rest for someone else (I keep trying to add something besides the map to each which very much slowed me down). I look forward to your help on the Bhutan pages & expect you will work your usual magic. technopilgrim 21:16, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New Orleans Evacuation

You claim that "Bush did not suggest the mandatory evac; he requested citizens to heed it". What is your basis for this assertion? Anonip 06:16, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

You can verify this by checking the CNN Katrina timeline, or any other news timeline. Mayor Nagin ordered the mandatory evacuation at 10:00AM Auguest 28th. President Bush declared a state of emergency for the State of Louisiana on August 27th, but that is not an evacuation order. The state of emergency declaration releases aid dollars and formally authorizes Federal officials to coordinate all disaster relief efforts. technopilgrim 22:56, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

You are misinformed. The information you removed from the article was the following:

President George W. Bush had called and personally appealed for the mandatory evacuation.

This fact was noted by Gov. Blanco at the press conference on 8/28, as reported by the AP. Anonip 23:56, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

I stand corrected. I see someone has already put the sentence back in the article. technopilgrim 18:14, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. If you don't mind, I'm curious why you removed it in the first place. Did you think someone just made it up? Anonip 01:02, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Because I had heard a radio report that the unprecedented mandatory evacuation was credited to Nagin and the unprecedented early state of emergency call was credited to Bush. When I ran across this sentence it seemed at odds with what I knew. Before making the edit I cross-checked CNN, the BBC, and the two footnotes immediately following the sentence (cf.[1] [2]) -- none of which mentioned anything about Bush appealing for a mandatory evacuation. I deleted the sentence. Obviously I missed the API report containing Gov Blanco's attribution during the press conference. What else can I say? technopilgrim 03:43, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

I included information from that AP report in both of the first two paragraphs, but only included the reference as a footnote after the second paragraph. Perhaps I should have included it twice. In your defense, I recognize that the mainstream media hasn't been very interested in reporting that Bush personally appealed for the mandatory evacuation, perhaps because it contradicts their "Bush is to blame" theme. So it's not surprising that the fact seemed at odds with what you were led to believe. Anonip 03:52, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bhutan

I've listed Bhutan on WP:FAC on the path to FA. The page has now been cleaned up and if you like/dislike it you may vote there. PS do you have more photos? Regards, User:Nichalp/sg 06:24, September 8, 2005 (UTC)

Bhutan is now a FA! User:Nichalp/sg 15:27, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article traditions of the United States Senate, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

[edit] Sources for Paro

Hello, good work on Paro, and thanks for the contribution. However, you did not provide any references or sources in the article. Keeping Wikipedia accurate and verifiable is very important, and as you might be aware there is currently a push to encourage editors to cite the sources they used when adding content. Can you list in the article any websites, books, or other sources that will allow people to verify the content in Paro? You can simply add links, preferably as the inline citations, or see citation templates for different citation methods. Thanks! Lupin|talk|popups 13:39, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

If you take a closer look at the page you will see that all the gewog links at the bottom are not intra-wiki links but are in fact direct links to the Royal Government of Bhutan website covering each village. We aren't going to anything more referency than that if the topic is Bhutan. (BTW, if you want a glimpse of what is happening in Bhutan at the village level these days, I strongly recommend you read a few of these references, it's fascinating). As for the list of tourist destinations, they can be found in any tour book for Bhutan (Lonely Planet, Footprint Bhutan, etc.), or with a google search on the destination — I'm quite sure the same factoids as I have listed will show up in the first page of google results on any of these.
If there is something else in the article that caught your eye or sounded unlikely, I'd be happy to track down a source, let me know.
(I'm actually surprised this article on Paro gave you heartburn, have you seen the article on the adjacent district of Haa? We're talking vendettas, mysterious nighttime oboe and trumpet sounds, and wishing cows. Fortunately, well-documented wishing cows, thanks to the Journal of Bhutan Studies, which if you bother me too much is the source that I will robo-attach to every article on Bhutan as a reference! Hope I've got you laughing now...) technopilgrim 01:23, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Royal University of Bhutan

It says that there are ten member institutions but only nine are listed! - Brownlee 12:00, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks — fixed now. Visiting the Royal University of Bhutan website I see that the Centre for Bhutan Studies was not folded into the RUB system as originally announced, so the final count of member institutions actually came to eight. I also made a few other updates to the article. technopilgrim 05:32, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unicode for Classical Mongolian

The ????? you saw at Qinghai Lake was the Unicode version -- it's just that most fonts don't support it. Try downloading a font called Code 2000 here -- it supports quite a few scripts that even Arial Unicode doesn't and it's a pleasing presentation. I have restored this to the article: ᠬᠥᠬᠡ ᠨᠠᠭᠤᠷ. (Note that there is not yet any Unicode font that supports letter combinations for Mongolian/Manchu. The one above is just a string of disconnected letters in their primary form. Others have taken to inserting small .svgs of the word to overcome this and these have the advantage of being vertical (e.g., Manchu). AjaxSmack 05:04, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the helpful link, I was not aware of Code 2000. I guess my original wish was for the Unicode to be written in escaped HTML format (e.g. "&amp#6190;" for ᠮ) so those users without that fonts installed can still see the codepoints in any text editor. --technopilgrim 19:40, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Central Asia

WikiProject Central Asia has finally been created! If you're interested, please consider joining us. Aelfthrytha 21:56, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Young Tibetans destroyed temples?

Which reference did you read that says Tibetans destroyed their own temples? Please explain. There are two references on the Tibet article and both are not neutral. One is from tibet.ca the other is from a leftist website. Why do you consider them neutral and reliable? My sources say that only few teenagers followed the chinese red guards but the article you edited makes it look like the tibetan destruction was mostly done by Tibetans. User:My Tibet 18:05, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Just a quick note: .ca = Canada; .cn = China.
http://www.tibet.ca/en/ describes itself as "an independent non-governmental organisation of Tibetans and non-Tibetans living in Canada, who are concerned about the continuing human rights violations and lack of democratic freedom in Tibet." -- ran (talk) 19:00, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
User:My Tibet, the point that ran makes is exactly right. The Free Tibet folks, the source of one of the references in question, are hardly a bunch of pro-Han apologists. When the Free Tibet folks say that Tibetans destroyed temples, you can pretty much take it to the bank that Tibetans destroyed temples. So yes they are a biased source, but they are biased the other way than you imply. The place to debate this, though, is on the Talk:Tibet where the whole Tibet article writing community can participate. If you believe "your sources" (which you haven't listed) support the assertion that young Tibetans did not participate in the destruction in any significant number, please share these sources on the Talk:Tibet page where everyone can take a look at them. --technopilgrim 19:40, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I moved your message

Thanks for your kind comments -- but I prefer to have them on my Talk Page rather than on my User page, so I moved them. You have an impressive list of Wiki accomplishments ! --Stephen Hodge 00:43, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Did you know

Updated DYK query On 15 September 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Islamic Emirate of Waziristan, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--howcheng {chat} 16:49, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Waziristan & how one silly little article got Wikipedia banned in Pakistan

Now that the Waziristan accord has been signed, is the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan still an unrecognized country, a proposed country and an active secessionist movement? I wouldn't know, but you seem to. ;) —Nightstallion (?) 16:56, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

From what I can tell, the best classification is active secessionist movement. What these guys want is for Islamabad to stay out of their business -- recognition as a separate country does not seem to be high on their wish list, even though they fly these provocative flags, etc. Essentially they are isolationists and if the rest of the world left them alone, they wouldn't be fighting for statehood. technopilgrim 17:29, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

The question was rather whether it should stay on those three pages; if not, could you remove it, please? You seem to be an expert. —Nightstallion (?) 13:31, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I thought you were asking which would be the best classification. Looking at the three classification articles, obviously I take the IEoW to be a secessionist organization as mentioned above. With regards to "unrecognized" versus "proposed", a careful reading of the definitions on each page suggests to me that unrecognized countries will be a proper subset of proposed countries. An unrecognized country is defined as "a geo-political entity lacking international recognition but acting as a de facto sovereign state". I would claim that the business of winning sovereignty is virtually always accompanied by claims of independence or statehood. And certainly this is true in the specific case of the IEoW where they self-proclaimed statehood earlier this year as referenced in the article.
So IEoW would fit all three categories, as would any successful secessionist movement that was able win and hold territory in defiance of the mother country.   technopilgrim 16:47, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Perfect, thanks a lot for your precise analysis of the situation. Hope to work with you again in the future. :) —Nightstallion (?) 13:20, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Your creation is getting international attention: [3]. └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 23:39, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up. Wow, I can't believe we pissed off the Pakistan Foreign Office with this article. And earned a threat of a ban of Wikipedia in Pakistan. All based on one little article, which as far as I know is factual. George Bush wouldn't let them shut down Wikipedia, would he? George -- are you listening? George?
(For those of you playing along at home, earlier today Ali Wagner of the Daily Times of Pakistan published pretty much the entirety of this Wikipedia article in the newspaper (maybe only the online edition), then asked the Government of Pakistan to comment on it. The Government was not happy. Islamic Emirate of Waziristan bad. Wikipedia bad. Technopilgrim bad. If you can't access the news story with the link above, try this one).
I get the feeling we're in for a serious edit war here. I hope its just an edit war. I'm planning to declare victory and surrender before they uncork those nukes. I SURRENDER! I LOVE PAKISTAN! YOU GUYS ROCK! (Why did I create this article? I usually work on Bhutan trivia. Why couldn't I just be searching for tulkus to write up?)
technopilgrim 09:24, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for your sensible edits on Mamata Banerjee. It reads much better; also it is nice to know it was done by someone neutral. I was a little apprehensive since my contributions are related to Bengal, it would be easier for someone to put a motive assignment on my edits resulting in unnecessary confrontation. ;-) Take care.--Antorjal 19:19, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query On 22 October 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Howell Melon Festival, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Srikeit (Talk | Email) 11:04, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

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