Talk:Team CSC

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Contents 1 Failed GA 2 Pass 3 Cervelo 4 Notable wins 5 2007

[edit] Failed GA

This was very close to the standard for passing as GA in most respects - it is well-referenced, has balanced POV, well-illustrated, images have appropriate tags (great examples of photography by Wikipedians) and well-structured. It didn't read as well as it could have done, and I have given it a pretty extensive copy-edit so hopefully it is better now. There is a word in here that I expect is either mistranslated or untranslated - "classement". If somebody could sort that out (if it's a technical cycling term, could somebody include a description) and renominate it, I expect it should pass as a GA next time round. There's some excellent work here, are all cycling team articles this good? TheGrappler 14:54, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the pointers (as well as those left on my talk page!) and the copy-editing. I'll take a stab at explaining the classement (it is another (probably French) word for "classification" (as in General Classification), and is used interchangeble as jargon). I'll do some editing.. Poulsen 15:34, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Shame missed GA, sure to pass next time. Classement is French, and is used widely in cycling circles by English-speakers (and Scandinavian language speakers too, I think). I would not bother translating or explaining it. That is the beauty of Wiki links: just link to the GC article, and readers can seek their own enlightenment! Just make sure that classement is explained over there. --Mais oui! 17:10, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I am afraid that may be my ignorance coming through ;) But ... this isn't written for cycling enthusiasts alone, and I suspect I would not have been unknown in having difficulty with the word. (As it turned out, it meant what I guessed it did, but I would prefer not having to guess at all!) Usually WP:POPUP allows me to deal with the problem of terms and people I am not familiar with (even better that clicking on the link, just hover over it - genius!) but it didn't help in this case. I think it's benefitted from the rewrites, it reads much easier now. In its current state I believe it is highly likely to pass as a GA, before the recent edits I think most people would agree that it failed "well-written". The new lead is a big improvement. TheGrappler 17:25, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

In Danish at least it's klassement. I tried to fit classement in there, but defining three terms (General Classification, GC and Classement) as the same thing seemed too much, so I left it with the two first options and deleted classement.. I'll go ahead and renom. Poulsen 17:30, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

No apart from the articles closely related to Tour de France and Lance Armstrong, road bicycle racing articles tend to be kind of stubish. A number of articles are actually just translations from the other European language wikis.--Per Abrahamsen 17:57, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pass

I corrected a few spellings and now see nothing to stop this being a "Good Article". Congratulations. SeanMack 07:52, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Hurrah!--Per Abrahamsen 14:08, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cervelo

Does anyone know when CSC began using Cervelo bikes? --Bicycle repairman 17:57, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I found an old article from B.T. (tabloid) saying Cervelo started sponsoring before the 2003 season. Peugeot was a sponsor in 1998 and 1999. They were sponsored by Vitus in 2000[1], but switched to Look before the 2000 Tour[2] (search for Vitus), and then the Cervelo in 2003. Be aware though, that from time to time, the team has used bikes from other companies than their sponsors, and have just put a name sticker on the frames. Poulsen 19:10, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm now reading the guy's Tour diary - very interesting :) --Bicycle repairman 21:40, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notable wins

I removed some stage wins from 2.HC races, I believe these should be in the subpage (there are too many of those).--Per Abrahamsen 08:23, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree - perhaps a small introductory note before the table would be in order, explaining that only wins in World Cup races, Grand Tour stages (and overall), as well as overall ProTour races (not stage wins) are included.

I'm in doubt as whether or not HC wins (only overall, not stages) should be included, as it seems weird to list the 2005 but not the 2004 Paris-Nice win.. Poulsen 23:06, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2007

Here is the riders whose situation for 2007 is still unclear:

Andrea Peron is retiring. Peter Luttenberger is retiring.

Anuone got an official source for those?

--Per Abrahamsen 11:03, 12 October 2006 (UTC)