Talk:Teacher

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They usually have high esteem but low salaries. Not exactly. I know in Korea (and probably Japan, too) teachers are generally respected, but it isn't the same in many other places, especially if for teachers below the college and university levels. -- Stephen Gilbert

It's also POV. Kilo-Lima|(talk) 19:36, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

The image doesn't really mean anything. Could we get a shot of a teacher actually teaching? -- Tarquin 17:53, 30 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Hope the recent image helps. Unfortunately, we will be losing Brian Hodge as he moves to Japan this summer to marry and work over there. Brian: If you read this, buddy, you will be missed by colleagues and students alike. LIVE WELL! Weaponofmassinstruction 23:35, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

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"Educationalist" redirects to "teacher". But does the two words mean the same. Isn't an educationalist a philosopher or researcher of education?

wildt 26. marts 2004 00.50

Never heard of the word "educationalist", and I am a teacher. :-) Is it perhaps specific to one country? Jwrosenzweig 23:52, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Wow - 2 minutes! ... According to Danish-English dictionary Danish "paedagog" can be translated with: teacher if it's someone actually working with children, or if it's a theorist "educationalist". And the word is used about Alexander Sutherland Neill. wildt
According to my dictionary, it's chiefly a British usage. :-) I wasn't familiar with it (I'm American). It apparently does refer more to a theorist in education, but I don't know if we have an article on that. Perhaps it should redirect to pedagogy or something like it? Jwrosenzweig 00:25, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I'd like to start an article specifically about the troubles teachers face nowadays--from growing teacher shortages to school shootings. But should this be specifically about teachers, as opposed to any other profession? Should this be related to labor issues, or to educational issues, or what? Thanks. Mjklin 23:57, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Start small. Teachers only (well, educators and educational administrators only) and both labor and educational issues. If it grows bigger, it grows bigger. ;) --Dante Alighieri | Talk 00:08, Apr 23, 2004 (UTC)

I removed the POV posted on the teacher page. It doesnt really contribute anything new to say that "everyone has an opinion on teachers and how they are misguiding the youth." --RolandG 21:43, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)


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The article "So you want to be a teacher" is about 20 years old and refers to what will in the 1990's.


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[edit] Improvement drive

Public education is currently nominated to be improved on WP:IDRIVE. You can support the article by voting for it there.--Fenice 20:47, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

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Can anyone please explain what the hell this "apple for the teacher" thing is all about, in North American (US?) culture? --NeoThe1 23:32, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

Although late, I will try to help explain. The tradition of giving an apple to the teacher stems to the early days of North American Public Education in the late 1800s. In that era, school teachers were usually VERY poorly compensated, especially in small rural centres. Gifts of food for (literally) hungry teachers was commonplace. The "apple for the teacher" became symbolic of this. It is still used as a symbol for many Teachers Professional Organizations today such as can be seen at http://www.mbteach.org. hope that helps! Weaponofmassinstruction 23:43, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
It's still very common for students in the US to be given small gifts of appreciation from students who like them. I'm a teacher, and it's well-known that I like spiders, so I have students actually bring me live spiders for "brownie points." I was once given three tarantulas in one day. RobertAustin 12:39, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Incorrect Information

Information regarding Teacher's in Canada is incorrect and needs to be updated. Teachers in Canada now require a degree in Education to be able to teach in elementry, middle, or high schools.

Do not understand why "didactics" direct to this page, even though related. Doesn't didactics have a broader connotation? Lped999

I've done some work on the Canada section. Hope it clarifies a few things. I'm a little leery about leaving the whole section on "may require a TB test.... THAT smacks as an illegal requirement to provide medical information/history. Somebody is definitely getting sued if I get asked to take a TB test, Strep test, HIV test, or drug test as a condition of my employment! Unless somebody can back that statement up, I'd like to see it killed. Weaponofmassinstruction 23:08, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

A teacher serves many purposes. Often, people solely name teachers as being the people who are in front of the classroom, the adults leading the class in discussion, the individuals discussing and introducing new topics to the children, and those responsible for evaluating the progress of the pupils inside the classroom. That is one way of looking at the term “teacher”, but that simple definition shouldn’t be all there is to define such a complex and significant role. A teacher is anyone who passes information through the process of communication from themselves to another individual. A teacher can be anyone ranging from an elderly adult to a very young child, there is no age requirement for someone to be considered a teacher. On the contrary, not just anyone can be a teacher any given moment of the day. It requires specific traits and strengths for someone to be a teacher. A teacher is also someone who can, most importantly, effectively pass information from their personal knowledge onto someone else. A teacher does not just necessarily use only verbal communication to teach an individual. Some might teach by example, drawing a picture, acting something out, or in many other endless ways. A teacher is someone who adjusts their teaching methods to the individual to whom they are teaching. A teacher is someone who works and relays information every hour of the day, every day of the week, every week of the year, and every year of their life. A teacher is a mother or father showing their child good eating habits, table manners, and respect. A teacher is not necessarily someone that went to college for a teaching degree, and received a teaching certificate; but, it can also be the student who never even graduated from high school. A teacher can be your five year old son that teaches you to love life and be grateful for everyday that you are given to live on this earth and be around the ones you love, or it can be their simple thoughts that teach you not to make things so complicated. WASTREL 09:53, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unsupported Information

The section on Australian bachelors' degrees being ranked lower than other countries' needs to be referenced in some way. I would be rather interested in the source of that information myself, actually, having not come across the claim before. GrubLord 10:09, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to see a source on the US teacher payscale -- the school district that I work for doesn't differentiate between primary and secondary teachers as far as pay goes, and I'm not familiar with any other one that does. --Tthaas 10:48, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blaming Teachers

While I think this section is a good one, it really needs work. There needs to be some more organization and worded to be less POV. MrMurph101 03:25, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

I understand the contributor's reasons for including this section, but I don't think it fits here. Essentially, the section discusses a particular problem or issue that teachers and students (and parents) have to contend with. Rather than "Blaming the teacher", the title of the section should probably be "Teachers vs. students - responsibilities for learning" or something like that. An intelligent discussion about teacher and student responsibilities in the learning process is what is needed. I think, however, that this would be way beyond the scope of this article. There can be lots of discussion about the millions of other problems that the teaching profession must deal with (e.g. are they paid too little, do they get too much time off, should teachers be paid for prep time, should parents stay out the the classroom, should parents have a say in hiring and firing, should parents have a hand in managing a school, how should discipline be handled, and so on.) Where would it end? So, the real question is, should this article start discussing the problems associated with teaching/learning? The article is not a forum. Perhaps, if anything, a separate article is needed. This can get sticky and complicated. If the section is to be kept, it needs a lot of work. It's confusing with lots of errors and it is POV. Unless the original contributer can make this less POV and more understandable, I vote we remove the section in a week. BrianC 19:17, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Im sorry. I've removed my contribution. RandallFlagg Scotland 22:09, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Slow down, now... being one of those lucky enough to be "in the trenches" as a career choice, I definitely think that hese things mentioned above DO need to have voice put to them. however, the general article here is likely not the place for it. It "could" be yet another valuable tangent in the Wikipedia, though. the tough part will be in determining what to call it. It goes without saying that it should link back here.Weaponofmassinstruction 23:49, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Maybe a section entitled "Burdens?" It could lead to a new article discussing it further. MrMurph101 02:18, 24 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Good Article

I think this is a good article, and I have added it to the list.whicky1978 19:47, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Is that a specific list, like the one Nixon kept? :D Weaponofmassinstruction 21:23, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
It is a pretty good article but it needs work to earn featured article status. Wikipedians are pretty strict about that I've noticed. MrMurph101 17:04, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
It might be a good idea to nominate this article for a Peer Review. MrMurph101 03:29, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Master's Degree within Five Years?

Quoting the article: "Teachers in almost all states must have a Bachelor's degree with the appropriate teacher preparation course and complete a Master's degree within five years." I'm a teacher in Arkansas, and have never heard of this five-year rule. Exactly how many states have such a rule? Can anyone provide examples, or citations? RobertAustin 14:03, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I know in California you receive a "preliminary" credential that lasts five years without a renewal but if you do some more things you can get a "clear" credential which can be renewed every five years. There is no requirement to get a Master's but it is recommended and the pay scale is better if you have one. I think that could be part of where the confusion comes from. MrMurph101 23:14, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
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