Talk:Tarja Turunen
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[edit] Concerns
A couple things bother me about this article; I'm prettyvery new to Wikipedia, so "be bold" aside, I'll cast my concerns out here before any sweeping rewrites...
This doesn't strike me as all that encyclopedic. It reads rather gushily, as if it were Tarja's PR, or a fan bio. There's rather a lot of unnecessary detail as well; e.g., three whole paragraphs about the documentary? Or the title of every single magazine in Europe that has put Tarja on the cover? Wouldn't much of this work better in the main Nightwish article (in the case of detailed band history), or simply be removed entirely? Or is it just me? Fargnax 10:19, Dec 24, 2004 (UTC)
- Since nobody seems to have objected, I've gone ahead and removed the fannish minutiae, and rephrased much of what's left (the original article was just an abridged version of Tarja's official biography, it turns out) (link fixed). The end is a bit sketchy to me, as the article (and Tarja's own bio) stopped at 2003, with guesses at what might happen in '04; I pieced together what I could. Fargnax 05:23, Dec 25, 2004 (UTC)
I think the new and improved article is a great biography of Tarja and is by no doubt, unworthy of Wikipedia. Tarja deserves to be mentioned on this site and i think whoever changed the article to look the way it is now did a GOOD job!
[edit] Who did she marry?
I noticed on the Nightwish main article that it lists her as being wed in 2003. The question is, to whom? Just noting it without any name seems a little sketchy to me but in a way understandable if this person is deliberately steering clear of the backwashed limelight coming from his wife and her band.
The Argentinian businessman Marcelo Cabuli is Tarja´s husband.
[edit] Wiki links
Was this page unwikified? I can understand not wikifying television, but a lot of the stuff you unwikified might be interesting to someone reading the article. If they don't want to read the other article, they can simply not click the link. This is troubling since I can think of no benefit for removing functionality from this article. Therefore I am going to restore some of the Wiki links. --Ryan Delaney talk 21:21, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
- Wikifiying doesn't mean adding a bunch of unecessary links. If anything thats the opposite. These blank pages are blank because they are nor important or popular enough to have an article. Here are some pages to consider:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Make_only_links_relevant_to_the_context http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(links)
- I hope you understand why I removed so many links and I hope you get a proper understanding of what Wikifying means. --Arm 23:02, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
Do you want me to describe why I unlinked each individual word or what? Heres some:
symphonic power metal = made-up category. symphonic metal and power metal already have an article so this is worthless redundancy.
Timo Turunen = not important enough for an article. What has he done that makes him deserve an article? If he becomes famous then we will make an article for him but now it's not needed. And no, simply. being related to someone famous is not enough for fame.
Tarjas solo songs, not popular songs enough for an article. Unless a song is over seventeen minutes long, caused an entire phone number to be unusable or one of the most famous metal songs of all time, I doubt how those songs are that important.
- A lot of individual songs and albums have gotten their own articles. Heck, there is someone making an article for every individual episode of The Simpsons, I believe. Besides, not all the wiki links you removed were red links. --Ryan Delaney talk 00:22, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
And those simpsons songs are popular in their own right, Tarjas are not. Look just because a singer in a popular band makes a solo album doesnt mean that it's popular enough to warrent an article. and those blue links I removed were because of redundancy. Read the link policy and understand it. You may also try looking at other pages for an idea of where to apprioporatly put links.
This is outrageous, Tarja is one of the best known female singers in Europe, i think that qualifies her songs to be listed. Users on Myspace will have access to her songs and she has released a single and completed a christmas tour. The soings SHOULD be mentioned. (Neostinker 17:50, 7 May 2006 (UTC))
If you still disagree, don't use Wikipedia. And to be on the safe side, cancel your internet connection and turn off your computer. --Arm 00:38, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Beto Vazquez
"(...) and Argentinian bassist Beto Vazquez's internationally successful album Infinity."
Beto Vazquez Infinity is a band. Visor 09:42, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
- fixed (also i made Beto Vázquez Infinity article)--Neo139 02:15, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Location
"Tarja Soile Susanna Turunen Cabuli (born August 17, 1977, in Kitee, Finland). Turunen began to study music at age six, and moved to the city of Kitee at 18 to study at the Sibelius Academy. " Is she moved from Kitee to Kitee, to study in Academy, which located in Helsinki? Sorry, my English is not good.
[edit] Discography?
Shouldn't there be a discography of all the Tarja Turunen albums/singles/whatever? There is that Nightwish box thingy at the bottom, but that only deals with Nightwish albums/singles/whatever, not her solo career. On a related note, should that box thingy even be there? Crimson Shadow 02:53, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
- Sure there should be a discography-thing (also there's a little point in a discography yet; she has only released one single as of now). Also, I think that box should stay; people still associate her with Nightwish. Tarja and Nightwish are often mentioned in one breath. And it probably will remain that way, until Nightwish finds a new singer and Tarja releases an album that performs well on the charts. —♦♦ SʘʘTHING(Я) 05:42, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
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- Tarja acheived the number one single for christmas in 2005 without Nightwish, she has had hits with tracks such as Until Dawn, Tired of Being Alone, One Angels Dream, Romeo Ce Juliet and Sadness in the night, this is not including the work she has done with the academy. I think that her songs should be on her page, just as Nightwish songs are on the Nightwish page. (Neostinker 17:23, 30 June 2006 (UTC))
[edit] Response Letter
We have a link to the "open letter" by nightwish, but not to her response letter. I can't find it to link on her webpage. Anybody? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vaergoth (talk • contribs) .
[edit] Interview
There is an interview at http://www.muzicisifaze.com/alt_articol.php?id=25 which we may be able to use in the future to expand the article. -- ReyBrujo 03:11, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Henkäys Ikuisuudesta
I've mostly finished the entire page about Tarja's Christmas album, the only thing that is missing is getting the track list order (which is yet to be announced). Other than that, I don't believe there is much more needed on that page, but please go on and take a look :) If you have any comments or suggestions, feel free to contact me Halliwell3 19:33, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Well, most of the site for "Henkäys Ikuisuudesta" is now complete, track listing and album length ;) Halliwell3 20:42, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Links
There seems to be quite a bit of conflict about the links section, with sites getting added and removed daily. I suggest we all decide which ones are relevant and which aren't. Crimson Shadow 11:56, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
