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[edit] Wikilinking headers

According to the Wikipedia Manual of Style, it should be avoided, because "Depending on settings, some users may not see them clearly. It is much better to put the appropriate link in the first sentence under the header." It's a usability issue. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 09:16, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Creating subarticles

It's not something to vote on, it's standard Wikipedia policy. Please read Wikipedia:Guide to writing better articles#Long article layout before you do anything else. Dyslexic agnostic 01:57, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

I added a link from List of villains#Superman to Enemies of Superman. Dyslexic agnostic 02:06, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Superman

Good job so far on the edits, man! You expanded "supporting characters of", but I'll let it go for now given your other reductions. Way to go Eddie! Dyslexic agnostic 04:11, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Advice

If you honestly want my advice, stop reverting and work it out on the talk page before going back in again. Your edits right now sound too much like personal opinion and do not cite sources, leading people to believe that you're just making it up. Your spelling doesn't help create a good impression either, nor does your confrontational attitude when people ask you to justify your edits.

You need to read and understand Wikipedia:Citing sources and Wikipedia:Verifiability. If you're basing something on something in an episode, it must be a reasonable conclusion based on the evidence present, and you need to explain where this comes from. Do not be surprised or angry if people disagree with you and do not revert them. Discuss it with them, and be open to being persuaded by their arguments just as much as you might want to persuade them. Again, cite your sources. Provide footnotes where needed, so people can check them out for yourself. Given your command of English is not as good, you should be open to the possibility that you might have even misinterpreted those sources, so let people double check them.

Screenshots for the purposes of illustrating a particular point in an article are permitted under fair use, but you have to make the reason for that clear. Otherwise, one screenshot per article is the recommended limit. See Wikipedia:Fair use.

Subarticles are there if the amount of detail in a section becomes so much that it deserves an article on its own, or if its continued presence in a page makes the page unweildy. Obviously, editors have decided that Superman or whatever needs sub articles.

Same with Batman, and the way the article is structured, or the way it is written. Other editors were here before you. They may have considered these issues before. So before you undo their work, it's only polite to check with them.

And once again, DO NOT BLIND REVERT. People are good enough to correct your spelling, and it gets really annoying if you just revert it back to the misspelled version for no apparent reason other than you want to win an argument. That's being a dick. You need to be civil when dealing with other editors. Don't scoff at them, don't mock them, don't challenge their credentials. Don't act like you know everything, that just pisses people off. I don't wave my credentials in anyone's face - but it's there if people want to check. You built a reputation as an expert here by performing good edits, and that means being able to work with other people and accept consensus even if you think it's wrong. Persuade, don't edit war, and be always mindful of Wikipedia:Three revert rule.

If you want my opinion, right now between you and User:Dyslexic agnostic, you're the one coming off as being the worse offender. You need to step back and consider your actions and the impression you're giving to others. Above all, keep your cool and listen to people and what they're saying. They may have a point. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 11:27, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dyslexic agnostic

You need to lay off, too. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 23:39, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

If I were taking sides, I wouldn't have told him to lay off, would I? The answer is no. In my view, what you have here is a content dispute, not vandalism. You two need to talk it out, not snipe at each other: both of you. On top of that, you should not expect me to answer immediately to every query; I have other stuff to do and keep an eye on as well. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 23:58, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

You need to take a break. Just stop for a while, and consider that your edits might be bad and that is why they are reverted. If you violate Wikipedia:Civility by applying profanity to him again, I'm going to have to block you. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 06:25, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

If that's the way you feel about it - I have given you advice; you just don't seem to want to accept that you may be in the wrong on this. Dyxlesic agnostic has offended too, but your behaviour is worse than his has been. Go find another administrator, by all means. But my warning still stands. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 08:27, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Look, I want to call a truce... it's Christmas (or was), after all! What do you say? Dyslexic agnostic 21:54, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Once we are friends, I will come to Merida and visit you and your mother, and we will drink Xtabentún at Chichen Itza and play ball. I was there before, and sipped tequila in Playa del Carmen. Dyslexic agnostic 22:05, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Hey, you still seem to have pent=up anger towards me... see me comments to your comments on Martial Law's page. Let's be pals! Dyslexic agnostic 04:55, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Let me try: "T-man is a blithering idiot wise scarecrow"... cool, it works!

Dyslexic agnostic 00:28, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New relationship for the new year

Look, T-Man, it is not my goal to get you down or to dampen your excitement for wikipedia. I admit to a tendency to be critical, and sarcasm may not be the best way to try to get my points across. Reverting you is NOT the first thing I do each day (it's the third) (See! The sarcasm is too deeply engrained...), but I do check on you because I know your edits are sometimes too out there for me, and I don't think I'm alone in this, by looking at other editors' reverts of you (I'm not the only one). If dates of appearances of enemies of batman are wrong, then fix them, and we will all be the happier for your obvious keen knowledge of comic book history and lore. But your large chunk of rewrite to the enemies of batman did not flow, and when I see it reading poorly as a whole I am guilty of a blind revert rather than looking for the parts which are good and could be used.

Yes, I am an admitted minimalist: I don't see why we have to say the same things over and over on various wikipedia pages. I have reasons for this:

(a) size: not that I fear wikipedia will run out of server room, but because big articles risk the danger that readers will waver and lose interest, thereby missing out on the good concise info we should be offering them;
(b) consistency: A big write-up on "Enemies of the Batman" on the Batman page and the subarticle too means more chance of an inconsistent error in one page and not the other. For example, if one page says Bane started in the 1980s and the other the 1990s, then people are confused. If this fact only shows up ONCE, then there is no inconsistency; if the fact is wrong, talented comic buffs like yourself will catch it;
(c) the nature of wikis: this is not a paper encyclopaedia! With paper, books have to repeat info, because the reader of "X" may not take the trouble to flip to reference "Y": here, it's a click away... let's use the wonder of this wiki format to our advantage!

One more thing... please don't back edit your prior comments on talk pages once someone else has replied... it makes things very confusing to read, and I have to look up all the "diff" and "hist" pages to follow it. Just add a new comment below the last!

My resolution to you for 2006 is to read your edits critically, try to glean the wheat from the chaff, and not to be (too) rude or abrasive. This doesn't mean I have time to pre-copyedit things you post on my user talk page, cause I fear I don't. But I look forward to getting along better next year. Dyslexic agnostic 17:49, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Happy New Year!!!

Hope all is well. Dyslexic agnostic 19:21, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

I seriously hope you are doing well, and look forward to working with you on edits. Send me a line! Dyslexic agnostic 07:06, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
You are back!! Glad to see it, as I was worried. But whatever are you talking about? What did I blind revert? Dyslexic agnostic 16:20, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Oh... the Bat-Embargo thing... see the discussion at Talk:Justice_League_Unlimited#Merger_of_The_Bat-Embargo; the consensus was to merge. If you want, you can help with the editing of Justice League Unlimited to trim it down. I can help you with your copyedit, if you like. Trying to be your friend... Dyslexic agnostic 16:28, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
About you being a fan of Batman:TAS and JLU... I have actually never seen an episode of either. I will try though soon. Dyslexic agnostic 20:45, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
We need you back, T! Dyslexic agnostic 12:01, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
I'll echo that: I hope that my second bit of advice above didn't scare you off! We don't want you to leave, T-man! I hope you're just busy with real life stuff, and will be back soon. :) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 00:27, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi, guys!!

I'm sorry, I've been busy with real life. but i'm not sure i can come back, with someone erasing whatever I do instead of copyediting it this takes me four times more time than it should and in the end none of my edits are considered useful, they erased the whole bat embargo article. my contributions seem to be seen as useless and I even started to get depress when I see them eresed even if it is by one guy and a couple of sympatizers of his cause. (forgot my password) t-man--201.152.90.181 00:54, 16 January 2006 (UTC) ps: josiah, I need to get in touch with you, i'm kinda writing a comic book with my drawing sketches. and I need a native English speaker to help me. My e mail is ajtorrepuerto@hotmail.com

[edit] Superman T-man returns

Hey, glad to hear from you! I was very worried... hope you remember your password soon, or else start a new account! Dyslexic agnostic 01:41, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] the bat embargo

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Dyslexic agnostic 06:30, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

DON'T REDO the Bat-Embargo page... you'll just get reverted and then be pissed off. Just revise the bat-Embargo section of Justice League Unlimited. IF it gets really good, then maybe, just MAYBE, someday it will merit its own page. But start with baby steps... Dyslexic agnostic 06:32, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Better yet, ask yourself... why do we need to know more about the bat-embargo than is on the JLU page? Why? It's enough to know it exists, and that's it. Can't we find you a nice project? Let me think... Dyslexic agnostic 06:35, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Maybe Canada should take over the Mayan Riviera... BWAHAHAHAHA. Seriously, check out my awesome creation, limited series (comics). Dyslexic agnostic 07:01, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] limited series

Better? (P.S., JLU ROCKS!!!!) Dyslexic agnostic 07:30, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Hey, did you know that instead of writing [[limited series (comics)|limited series]], you can just write [[limited series (comics)|]] and get the same result? See the title to this section for an example! Anything in brackets just disappears!! Dyslexic agnostic 07:33, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Crisis on Infinite Earths and Secret Wars were each 12 issues, and therefore not part of the point I am making... guess you never read them. Dyslexic agnostic 07:41, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
All dude, of course. Dyslexic agnostic 07:43, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

- yeah! but in mexico was printed in six issues and I forgot. But 7 to 9 issues is not a new thing--T for Trouble-maker 07:45, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

-- really... name three other seven issue limited series. Plus, can I buy your six issues? Dyslexic agnostic 07:50, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

---I have an idea! Why don't you stick to editing Marvel Comics items? Just a thought... Dyslexic agnostic 15:40, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stalker

It's pre-Crisis, stalker. -- Dyslexic agnostic 05:25, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

You are a moron. Get lost and let me edit productively. The bat-embargo is going DOWN! Dyslexic agnostic 05:29, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
STALKER T-MAN.... GET LOST. EDIT YOUR OWN SITES AND LEAVE ME THE $&)($(^*! ALONE!! Dyslexic agnostic 05:43, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Hello, Please see Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. I've offered the same advice to Dyslexic agnostic. -- Curps 05:53, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
"Dyslexic you can moot yourself if you call me moot, you punk!" T-Stalker, why am I finding this hidden in code in Talk:DC animated universe, specifically here? That really hurts, that you malign me, especially when I have no way of finding it other than following you, which I would never do. That hurts, man, just when I am such a helpful friend, supporting you on the Bat-boycott or whatever it's called. And I have never called you moot. Moron, yes, but not moot. Dyslexic agnostic 07:20, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

who are you kiding? you found my hidden message, that proves my point that you are following me. And please don't be sinical, you'd call me whatever word I use whether is moot, stalker or whatever. I rest my case. --T for Trouble-maker 21:20, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

now you are in trouble, T-Moron... see Talk:List of Maxiseries#Page move.3F Dyslexic agnostic 20:09, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

uuuhhhhhhhh! I'm so scared. Every body is ok with the changes.--T-man, the worst "vandal" ever 22:15, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Quitting

You know what? I've been having a pretty tough time in my life, and you just keep talking and attacking me and making it worse. I think I will just quit Wikipedia altogether. I used to enjoy coming here and editing, but all I get are laughs and insults from you. Fine... you win. It's all yours. Goodbye. Dyslexic agnostic 07:14, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please stop.

We finally got the 'homosexual interpretations' section of the Batman page to a point everyone was happy with. Please do not start problems again. Simnel 06:22, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Advocate

You told Benon you want an advocate. Go to Wikipedia:AMA Advocates accepting inquiries and select one. I wish this thing would just go away, and you and I could try to get along. Dyslexic agnostic 04:28, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Batwoman's introduction

T-man, please see my comments at Talk:Batman#I added regarding Batwoman's introduction to the comics as a response to Wertham. I believe I have found some good source material. Trying to be civil! Dyslexic agnostic 02:43, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Quotes from Enemies of Batman

T-Man, why do we need your proposed expansion in the intro paragraphs to Enemies of Batman? Anyone who wants to know more sees all they want by going to Catwoman or Joker. At the very least the additional comments should go down below, in the descriptors for each villain, not in the very simple intro. Here, look at this. Before your edit, the intro read as follows:

In the late 1930s and the 1940s, many of the most familiar Batman villains developed. The Joker and Catwoman both appeared in the first issue of Batman in 1940.

Now read your version:

In the late 1930s and the 1940s, many of the most familiar Batman villains developed. The Joker and Catwoman both appeared in the first issue of Batman in 1940. The Joker has became Batman's worst enemy. The hate relationship became so great, that Dick Grayson, the first Robin, once stated that he believes the Joker and Batman exist because of each other, that Batman represents order and Joker the chaos that challenges it. Catwoman, on the other hand, has shared an on-again/off-again love relationship with Batman on most of her encarnations, they even got married on the pre-Crisis continuity, Earth-II.

Then, read its current status:

In the late 1930s and the 1940s, many of the most familiar Batman villains developed. The Joker (Batman's archnemesis and worst enemy) and Catwoman (both villain and love interest to the Dark Knight) both appeared in the first issue of Batman in 1940.

See! I DID leave the basic points you were trying to make, namely that the Joker is Batman's worst enemy, and that Catwoman is Batman's love interest. But, your comment on "what Robin said" is a very specific one-time detail that should NOT go in this intro, but maybe should go right in the Joker page. Likewise, the Earth-II marriage of Catwoman and Batman is a very specialized fact... assume that the general reader of this intro knows nothing of multiple earths, and really doesn't care about comics continuity issues from 30 years ago. If he does... well, he will click on Catwoman and will learn all he needs, and more. I am really trying here... I did meet you halfway, or at least part way. There is usually a place for most of your edits, but not always on that specific page you are trying to do it. Tell me that this makes sense, buddy! Dyslexic agnostic 06:29, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

It appears someone else has made further changes... what do you think? Dyslexic agnostic 16:26, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
T-Man... (sigh) I have no intention of following you around. I am watching you edit on pages that I have on my watchlist. Yes, I have checked up on you, I admit it, but mainly to see which admin you were reporting me to for our disagreements, which you threatened quite plainly in my talk pages. You followed me quite clearly in recent times, to Legends of the Dark Knight (see history) as well as to Limited series and List of limited series and all those pages surrounding them. Even Batman and Superman were my edits first (I don't think you followed me there, but I certainly didn't follow you there). Let's face it, the only pages you have edited to any large extent are List of villains, Batman and Superman-related pages, and DC Animated pages like the now dead The Bat-Embargo, and a smattering of others: (Seinfeld, Demon (once, minor), South Park (3 edits), Freakazoid! (2 edits), Comics Code Authority). I don't list these to suggest there is anything wrong with the list (there isn't), but to do away once and for all with this notion that I wikistalk you (I don't). I look forward to resolving this arbitration with you or your arbitrator, if it is really necessary. Dyslexic agnostic 02:33, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Dyslexic Agnostic. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Dyslexic Agnostic/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Dyslexic Agnostic/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Kelly Martin (talk) 02:40, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

T-man, I wrote this to one of the arbitrators, at User talk:Jdforrester:
I see that that matter is going to arbitration. Can you explain what that means? Will there be submissions made by the parties? I will copy this to T-Man so he can see what I have communicated to you (am I supposed to speak to an arbitrator without notice to the other side?). Thanks in advance for any information you can supply.

Dyslexic agnostic 02:44, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Look, this whole thing is freaking me out... I just want it to go away. I think I will stay away for a week and see what happens. I don't handle stress well. Dyslexic agnostic 02:59, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Conflicitve

It may technically be a word. It's just not a good one here. Not in wiktionary either. Dyslexic agnostic 16:03, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Infinite Crisis

Please see Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Dyslexic Agnostic/Evidence#Fourth asserion. And to minimize conflict, please stop leaving comments on my talk page like the last one. Any comments from you are shortly deleted. Dyslexic agnostic 15:50, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Please, I asked you the same first and you are the one doing it here. I still think you have obsesion issues.--T-man... ""worst vandal ever"" 08:38, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why ban DA?

I probably shouldn't talk to you here, but I really can't stand this anymore. Why are you trying to have me banned from editing wikipedia? It's like I killed your pet armadillo... why do you hate me so much? You even attack me still on other people's talk pages, like Josiah Rowe. And you hate me because I made a couple errors on dates... do you really think that this calls for banning? I am serious here... please tell me why you have such a hatred? Because I don't hate you. Dyslexic agnostic 06:11, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

In your first edit on my talk page here, you said "i hope we can now work toguether (sic) to improve our common interests articles." I hope today we can get past all this and still work towards that noble goal. What do you say? Dyslexic agnostic 06:17, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
I know you are there editing, and I assume the "burn in hell" userbox comments are actually an attack on me. Please reply so we can solve this once and for all. I would really like to hear from you, and I call for a permanent "ceasefire". Dyslexic agnostic 06:29, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for replying. I see anger in you, and I want that to end, for both of our wellbeing.
I didn't edit the episode at Legends of the Dark Knight because I didn't know that TV episodes can have their own page. Of course I knew that (although being a minimalist, I am not a fan of it). I did it because in this case, Legends the comic so outweighs Legends the episode that i felt it made little sense to give each a =Title= level header. The fact that the episode title is an homage to the comic book... THAT is worth mentioning. Episode summaries... I suppose a page of such summaries MIGHT be in order, and no doubt you are uniquely qualified to take on the minutae of such a task. I certainly didn't delete it, and I left even enough of the commentary, despite doing so uneasily.
Let's not let these quibbles get in the way of our mutual enjoyment of comic books, of Wikipedia, of manhood... let's make a pact of civility and respect, starting now. I am holding out my hand here, sir... please consider shaking it, not in a Batman/Robin gay kind of way, but as two men seeking the same thing: wisdom and enlightenment. Dyslexic agnostic 07:36, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I don't get the whole mousetrap/stalker thing... what are you talking about? I'm really trying here. Dyslexic agnostic 09:05, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
I just looked back at my recent edits... I don't see anything that I edited that would be a reversion of your work. If I did so unintentionally than I am sorry, but perhaps you can tell me what you think I have done. You seem to think I am laughing, but I really find the stress of this argument and arbitration not very funny at all. What can I do to fix this? Please tell me. Dyslexic agnostic 09:15, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] JLU

Apology accepted. Rather than discuss this further, let's show each other as well as the rest of the Wikipedia community that we can work together. I have done some comprehensive copyedit to JLU. However, I need your expertise on one issue. In the overview, it is stated that JLU "is a continuation of its predecessor, taking up soon after Justice League ended". However, under trivia, the following paragraph exists:

It seems that Justice League Unlimited has progressed in real time. In the episode "To Another Shore", Wonder Woman comments that J'onn J'onzz has been cooped up in the Watchtower for over 2 years, which would correspond with the first two seasons for JLU. This is different than the original Justice League cartoon which seems to have taken place over several years, with a substantial gap in time between seasons 1 and 2 for the show, "Starcrossed" (Justice League series finale) and "Initiation".

The problem is that these two lines do not agree: does JLU carry over "soon after" Justice League, or is there a "substantial gap"? I agree that I have neglected these animated series in my comic history, and am watchinf episodes when I can find them. I seek your help to clear this up, and give me your comments on my edit attempts. Sincerely Yours, Dyslexic agnostic 20:44, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply... I am getting ahold of these seasons to watch them, and will try to clear it up. And I will give you space... please let me know when you are ready to contact me again. Dyslexic agnostic 02:54, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
I know you're trying, but please be careful in your replies. You message on Dyslexic agnostic's talk page sounds almost patronizing.--Shanel 03:04, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
To patronize someone means to treat them condescendingly. An example would be if you said that talking to me was beneath you. That would be patronizing me. I know you're not intentionally doing that, but your comments sort of have that tone. Try not to say things like "You are getting to know the JLU and comics topics sith giant steps, but still, you are too green, and it's obvious that you don't need me to tell you. As well as many of your actions, I really don't get it."--Shanel 03:25, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
I have been reading comics for most of my 36 years, and am not sure where I am "green", except on the animated stuff. Dyslexic agnostic 03:45, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
An odd request, but ok.--Shanel 04:34, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
hahahahahahahahahha. 36 years! Funny either ways.
Not sure why my age is funny. Have started to watch Justice League season one. Somewhat childish but not bad. P.S. Enjoyed my trip to the Mayan Riviera in January 2001. Plan to come again soon; perhaps we can get together and chat. Dyslexic agnostic 05:45, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

cut it. no way you are 36! if so, and you are really a comic book fan, how come you missed so bad Harley Queen, Bane, Black Mask, and Killer Croc's firsts appearences?? And it's not like you knew all about the others. 36! shouldn't you know more about writting at that age. I mean, I mean, if so, I'm foreingn, what's your excuse? you do good linking works, but from the way you critizice me, your Limited Series crap should have been New York Times-Pulizter-kickass shit! You really want people to believe you made up shit like "70's croc-80's harley", "meta-seres", and it debated whether 6-9 issue ls, are maxiseries or miniseries", and you somehow are a 36-yo-comic book fan. C'mon nobody buys it, you are just some 15 y.o. brat exited about the Infinite Crisis hype. That's why you limit yourself to a link fixer, you haven't written shit, punk. And please, also beat it with the I'm going there crap. You just wan't some buddy words from me, to get the arbitrators thumbs up and then repeat the story. You want to fix it? then beat it, punk!

1. Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?
2. Man, you are being rude. I have given you NO excuse to talk that way. I am TRYING to make peace, and all you want is war.
3. Still you harp on the alleged "mistake", when all I was doing at the time was fixing your poor grammar. Hmmm, what was I doing during those first appearances? I guess I was busy in LAW SCHOOL getting my degree. Guess you've never gotten a fact wrong; bully for you.
4. I am almost at the end of my rope with you. I think you are a valuable resource of information on Batman, but that your presentation needs work. You can keep being rude and insulting, or you can accept my last overture to make peace. Everyone else is watching... your call. Dyslexic agnostic 07:24, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
I have blocked you for 48 hours for personal attacks T-man. Please don't do it again or I will block longer.--Shanel 07:32, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
I't wasn't a single mistake, those were 4 and you repeated 3 times 2, 2 times one and only one time other. That's why I can believe you are 36 and a lawyer, your points lack of pespective. If you were a real lawyer you would know about sourcing istead of just writing stuff you don't know about. Your assertions look more like you are telling on me and they have nothing to do with wikipedia policies. Only a kid would obsess with "monitoring me". If yo take a look, most of the pages we chashes now have the info my way, mostly because of the edits of actual skiled people, but the amount of writting and points kept basically the same only sharper. If you vere a 36 years old lawyer you would obviously have that kind of skills, kid. You would also know better than providing evidence against you all over the wikipedia. Or at least, you would have acted more carefully after the RfA. Your lexic is ok for a native speaker, but no way that's a lawyer's vocabulary. Even more, if you were a lawyer you would have tried to negotiate even before me. If so, have you ever won a case, or you are from some Lionel Hutz school. unsigned by T-man.

(to DA) I't wasn't a single mistake, those were 4 and you repeated 3 times 2, 2 times one and only one time other. That's why I can believe you are 36 and a lawyer, your points lack of pespective. If you were a real lawyer you would know about sourcing istead of just writing stuff you don't know about. Your assertions look more like you are telling on me and they have nothing to do with wikipedia policies. Only a kid would obsess with "monitoring me". If yo take a look, most of the pages we chashes now have the info my way, mostly because of the edits of actual skiled people, but the amount of writting and points kept basically the same only sharper. If you vere a 36 years old lawyer you would obviously have that kind of skills, kid. You would also know better than providing evidence against you all over the wikipedia. Or at least, you would have acted more carefully after the RfA. Your lexic is ok for a native speaker, but no way that's a lawyer's vocabulary.

Even more, if you were a lawyer you would have tried to negotiate even before me. Your defense is no more than pure whining and telling on me on moot points, it lack of a profesional structure. If so, have you ever won a case, or you are from some Lionel Hutz school. How come do you have so much spear time? Are you unemployed? What about law related pages? How come are you so scared of a simple RfA?

You obviously have some law manipulation skills "Cape Fear-like, coping my exact words and complaints against me, playing victim, and using insults just when you think it's safe. Your only mistake was not thinking that some users might like my words. That's why most of your edit's are obsolete now. List of Villains, Enemies of Batman, JLU, JLU characters, Legends of the Dark Knight, Scarecrow, Freakazoid, Seinfeld (thanks for that one, only you, stalker, could have remembered me), List of Limited Series, Limited series, all ended up keeping structures I provided. And better my skills and perspective on how to make a good article have improved a lot. Where are your contribution or your "corrections of my edits" now, "lawyer"? Bottom line: I already won, beat it punk.

Ps: What are you a "holly molly" priest. Most adults insult, don't be cynic. Some drink, some are sex-addict pervs, some smoke, I insult. That's because a mouth that says shit doesn't necessarely smells like shit.--T-man... ""worst vandal ever"" 22:52, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Goodbye

That's it. Even banned you personally attack me. I am never speaking with you again due to your rude manner. I tried to be polite, now you attack my professionalism, which is unforgivable. Goodbye, T-man. I hope you learn to love yourself someday. Dyslexic agnostic 22:25, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuhhh!!! that's what I wanted all along, Einstein!! I do not like you you are the one who needs me. You finally got it. That's right get lost! Without me your mocking game is over..."Profesionalism" hahahhahaahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!! As if!! You are no laywer and you can't prove me wrong!! "you personally attack me", who are you kidding? like you hadn't done the same to me!! take any of my exhibit for instance. Or like you care, you already did this fake "let's be friends", routine you don't fool me this time. Last time you betrayed me even while writing your "new year plan". I'm no friend of yours, at least after the betrayal point. I told you, I do not look foward to "work together" with you ever again (like if we ever "worked together" before, you facist anti-foreigners censorer). If you must edit me indirectly to avoid confict. If you reverse me with no reasonale arguments, I'll just plainly do the same. After all, as I said, every page I care about ended up my way. You lose.

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Dyslexic Agnostic case closed

A final decision has been made in this case and it has been closed. --Tony Sidaway 14:49, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Personal attacks

You know what the terms of your mentorship are, so I'm only going to tell you this once: do not personally attack people. It was absolutely unnacceptable for you to call Dyslexic agnostic a Nazi. Engage in any more name calling and I will block you. I would like you to apologize to Dyslexic agnostic. Another isssue is your edits to Animated Series Batman. From what I can see on your talk page, at least two people diagree with your changes, or how you are going about it. I'm going to ask that you not edit this article for ahile, at least until thing cool down and discussion has taken place. As has been said, there is not need to rush and make people angry. Keep in mind that if edit warring occurs, the page will be protected. --Shanel § 18:48, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but you're now blocked for 31 hours for incivility.--Shanel § 02:00, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I know I'm not a mentor, but I'd also like to point out WP:OWN, T-man. Please don't treat articles like your own. NSLE (T+C) at 02:05 UTC (2006-05-30)

Hey T-man, i know im not a mentor but i was the one who suggested it to the arbitration back in febuary. You seem stressed out again about dyslexic and i see you lost your cool. May i be bold and suggest you avoid the articles causing you stress for 1 or 2 days because id hate to see an adminstrator invoke this [1]

I appricate its difficult because of the on-wiki pages you two take intrest in, why not move on to Doctor Who articles for a few days (i think you edit those but dyslexic dosent), or even try something completly new (we have over 1,000,000 articles to chose from!).

Also as NSLE has pointed out above WP:OWN, no one owns any of the articles on wikipedia but we do work on conseus, genrally most editors are mostly reasonable pepole who can be engaged in dialouge

so take care t-man, if you need anything my talk page and e-mail are open to you, happy editing Benon 02:03, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

You-know-who wrote his usual bull, or the "pre-stabing speech" as I named that recurring line long ago, since even if I acept he keeps his focus on me (no other user gets as much of that lovely attention from him, such a sport, but don't believe me, check it yourselves). He knows that if he truly wants to be my "bud" (puke with the single idea), he'd give me space. At least by not writting here, as I've asked in every single possible way already. Forget about the monitoring and stalking, just this page, is that too much to ask?

I mean, I've seen his arrogant behavior reversing correct and good info other unvaluable editors, and it bothers me and breaks my hart, and even though somebody taking care of this guy is a good idea, I'm not that desperate for attention. Going through his contribs, checking around if he is talking about me, sacrifising time for real creative work. Most times he doesn't even know about the topic he is editing and admittedly!! How about asking in the talk page, first. What's his deal? Reversing is rude and unpolite, and not clever at all.

I'll erase my own comment as well. I want peace and letting other uses decide what to do with my edits. If he is so sure they are Bad, oher users will give him the reason by stoping my progects, right now, I've four bid achievements and two losts, I say my ideas are doing fine. (not caring if anyone thinks otherwise, btw)--T-man, the wise 07:09, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


T-man i would suggest you remove that hastily written comment off your talk page, I'm not suggesting that you and Dyslexic become best freinds but i really think dyslexic was holding out an olive branch here and would encourage you to call a truce between the two of you. Maybe dyslexic does monitor you maybe he dosent im not here to make that call, but the nature of a Wiki is that everything you do here is recorded in logs edits deletions etc etc and a certain amount of monoitoring is noraml anyway.

I must comment though that since the arbitration case you editing/behaviour has taken vast strides of improvment and id hate for you to trip up at this hurdle. There have been editors in the past who have caused me great stress in the past and i have personally found the best way of dealing with it was to think about my response slowly and carefully by doing something else for a while, like watching a movie at Newgrounds, or going and posting on a favoruite forum etc etc etc anything that wasnt realted to that dispute. Maybe you could find your own stragey.

anyway thats just my rantings views on the situation, even though im not one of your mentors feel free to come to me for help any time via my talk page Benon 23:51, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

The purpose of this page is storage.

[edit] Stalker

User Dyslexic Agnostic harassment acts towards myself, while explicit and obvious, havesomehow escaped most administrators attention over time.

[edit] Vandalism

He can be classified as a vandals, since his first acts of harassment were less smart thatn what came later.


He ALWAYS undoes whatever I edit. ALWAYS. Funkin' ALWAYS. Do you start to imagine why do I keep bothering administrators with that issue?: I HAVE A GUY READING EVERYSINGLE MOVE I MAKE ON WIKIPEDIA. At first, it was not that bad, since he used to claim he was a minimalist trying to reduce exess of information. But over time it became only a hobbie to him and started undoing every single edit I did mindlessly. While one could state that he disagrees, the fact that his edits started contradicting his "own policies" (as we are suppose to believe he really had), indicate he started going mindless, therefore becaming a vandal with alabies.

Here are some examples of how he reverts my edits. Please notice how he is always able to be the first to revert my edits and do it freakishly soon after I edit. Anyone is fre to rv my edits, but the fact that over 80% of the reverts I get are from him, makes this a clear harassment case:


In the Following examples the stalker redirected over 20 articles I created 3 times without consensus backing him up (imagine the insane obsesive behavior behind all this intensive work he made only to harass me!). It also contradicts common WP practices since there are hundreds of articles about tv series episodes as well as several categories justifying the creation of these articles I was working on.

[edit] Obsessive Monitoring

Every single freaking time I went to another editor, anyone, and complained to him about DA, he ALWAYS, A-L-W-A-Y-S, replied defending himself. Check it for yourself, be my guest. Think about what that implies for a second… I means, in order to accomplish that he has been reading EVERYSINGLE WORD I TYPE ON WIKIPEDIA. There is no other way he could have always been able to defend himself every single time.

Here I'll be ading links to several examples of how he always show up to defend himself to people he doesn't even necesarely know soon after every single time I ask for advise or complaint about him:


Am I wrong? Do you think there is other way to do what he's been able to do in the past? By not banishing him YOU ARE ENCOURAGING him. Would you like a wikipedia where people can do this to each other? Because it’s in your hands to stop it.

I stopped using explicit insults on the wikipedia. I do not talk to DA anymore. I do not complaint about him to other editors anymore. I do not offend in summaries. I’m not perfect, but I’m learning, I’m planning on getting rid of my sarcasm next. How has DA changed? He is still vandalizing my work. In this case, his ultimate goal is bothering me, even though his acts have pretexts his motifs are none, mindless, therefore disguised vandalism.

He is reading everything I write everywhere or to anyone, he mindlessly undoes whatever I do: He is HARASSING me and you are not stopped him yet.

I BEG YOU. STOP HIM. GIVE ME MY FREEDOM BACK.

[edit] How many times have I complained about him to an editor (unknown or known to DA it's the same) without him posting minutes after?

The logic is, and be careful, most people doesn't seem to have the brains to get this (which is why I'm getting so exponentially angry), DA wouldn't be able to do such thing without monitoring me. Same odds of a thunder falling twice on the same tree.

Table of pages where he edits mindlessly after and against me
# User Evidence Previous relationship with da
1 Bennon
2 Chaoswork
3 Cleared as filed
4 josiah rowe
5 Shanel
  1. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ABenon&diff=57311884&oldid=56679646
  • He has even admitted not watching the tv animated series he edits to harass me. Nobody edits several things one doesn't know about always only reverting after the same user. Same odds of a thunder falling twice on the same tree.
  • I kept my part of the agreement by not talking to him, but he keeps posting here, tempting me to attack him (as he knows it works) and harassing me.
  • Am I talking french here? howcome I repeat this logic over and over and it doesn't seem to pass through anyones ears. What are the odds. Odds and logic. I don't even talk to the guy. I don't post in his talk pages or reply when he addres me somewhere else. If anyone states that it is not wikistalking after reading this, I'm very sorry, that I talk French and nobody told me.
  • I'm sorry, but anyone who undestood what I said that has been going on for more than 4 month, would also understan how outraged, and furious with a system that doesn't seem to work at all. I do not intent to ofend anyone, I'm just very angry at people ignoring something so horrible. DO SOMETHING, ALREADY!

--T-man, the wise 02:28, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Uh, and wikistalkers, stalker, killers, rapist and obsesive people are as real as a wikistalkers, vandals and people doing stuff in bad faith, sorry to burst your bubble.--T-man, the wise 02:44, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Table of pages where he edits mindlessly after and against me
Adventages of DA stalking me Disadvantages of DA stalking me
He corrects my spelling when I don't nail every word right.
  • He adds some links.
  • ...Anyone?
 *He causes conflicts.
  • By following me to edit over me, regardless the topic, and not investigating carefully the topic he is then going to edit, he frequently get facts wrong over and over.
  • Sometimes he is lazy and rather erase the whole thing.
  • He is intolerant and doesn't comprehend the concept of stubs at all.
  • He nefer reaches concensus before editing. As a matter of fact, contraire to myself he only posts in talk pages to kick me while I'm down. Evidence:
  • By doing so on a regular basis he has gotten Argumentum ad hominem on me, giving 0 credit to whatever I do.
  • He is always disrespectful to my work. MOCK01
  • As a consequense of the last, he has eresed useful info other users often readd later.
  • He's edits on mine are normally too drastic and rarelly backed by a clear concensus. Like erasings, redirects, etc.
  • Consequently gets me real angry.
  • He often edits while I'm still working, leading to edit war.
  • When he edits against me and there is no clear consensus, makes me look bad, and I somehow make it worst because I feel insecure.
  • He moves people against me by adding tags. In 2 cases he added merging tags out of spite, people don't now it its part of his mean harassing game, so if I take it off I look bad. He has been the puppet master behind more thatn 2 times when I have has argues with other users.
  • As a consequense of his Argumentum ad hominem, in a couple of cases I failed to distinguish thet he was right just because he only does this to annoy me.
  • Cyber-stalking and Stalking are, as a matter of fact, hard to distinguish for non-victims. The "trying to help you because you're foreign" has become a charade he uses as his alaby. Cutting his unecesary, unefective, unauthorized, ill monitoring, he losses his alibi for harassment. (Check the Cyber-stalking article to understand the ill pleasure he gets out of this)
  • Even if I'm a being a tool, crating moronic attempts of convincing editros to get DA off my back, that people unfearly qualify as attacks, the ultime cause behind all of this, is DA. How hard could it be just to stop monitoring a guy who is ultimately as qualify or probably more than himself? That's not too much to ask. It's a very little efort administrators are refusing to make. DA's cause isn't woth all of this, he gets more mistakes than me and is ill, don't keep encouraging him and creating all this confict. Taking DA as an angel isn't worth it. He was the cause of the Arbitration.


I as well monitor everything you do. I sometimes monitor the actions of people that conduct what is essentially vandalism and harrassment of other users. And I, too, have reverted your edits, and I would have done more had DA not gotten there first. I think you have good intentions, but you need to get in control of yourself, or you will not accomplish much here. --Chris Griswold 04:50, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, but it is different, you do it respectfully, although I do think monitoring is sick and disrespectful and an invetion of añyones freedom and I don't do it, I think you have not crossed the line so far. Yor rv have been re-ading tags, and merging stuff you were highly involved since the bigining as well. But don't worry, if you ever get as ill I'll start bitching on your ass and make sure youre punished as as well, hehe. Right now I respect your work and your opinion. When we talk DA, we're talking about somebody that vandalized (erasing and stuff) my page more thatn once. You're nowhere near, I actually appreciate you, man.--T-man, the wise 05:02, 14 June 2006 (UTC) Nice kicking while I'm down, btw. Great burn.--T-man, the wise 03:50, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
First of all, we are not ignoring you. As you know we are only human; we don't have the time to always respond to you imediately. Second of all, we are not going to investigate Dyslexic agnostic. Given your claims you've provided little or no evidence. If he is really stalking your contributions, shouldn't it be alot easier to find diffs suppoting this? Furthermore, Dyslexic agnostic's edits were not bad edits or done to spite you. He cleaned up the grammar and prose, and generally made the articles better. As for the individual episodes, that was edit-warring on his part, and you both were blocked for it. However, you have been asked more than once, by both myself, Titoxd, and other editors to stop making these pages. Yet, even after being blocked several times, you have resumed the same behaviour after your blocks have expired. Finally, you are engaging in personal attacks again. Comments like "If anyone thinks this is wrong, it means the person has the brains of a starfish" do not help your case. Please, take the time to read over what you write before you post it. Remember that you are on your fourth block; one more and you may be banned for up to year. If, when you block expires, you continue to behave in the same manner that you have, you may also be banned form editing certain articles.--Shanel § 04:54, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


Shanel, you realize I been asking for help to investigate the issue for some weeks now and this is the first time you address it. You never even answer. I don't know what's going on in your mind if you don't throw me a clue once in a while, and you're supposed to mentor me. If you don't want to investigate (or even speak your opinion about the 200 edits over and right after mine by a single person, therefore encouraging him to violate my freedom) which is ok, at least you can direct me to the the experts in the matter. I have no doubt the way DA monitores me is an invasion of my freedom and anyone dadicating time to it would figure out for sure.

AN IMPORTANT OBSERVATION, howcome, if you are not investigating it, get to state he is not stalking... you said it, you didn't investigate. I'm sorry but I had to call the attention, I know I said crazy stuff, but it seem to be working as the firework I needed.

Because you adviced me to, I'll erase the starfish thing, which is not offending anyone that didn't investigate the situation. Since there nobody has claimed to investigate fairly the issue I didn address the issue to anyone.

over 50, more than 3 times!! Nothing but erasing and mocking!!! Dammit!--T-man, the wise 05:17, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Every thing reducesto this phrace of yourself As for the individual episodes, that was edit-warring on his part, and you both were blocked for it. Everery single episode is that, you said it, not me. Tell him not to monitore me and you'll se how all the problems I give will be "magically redices". He likes to throw sparks were there is gas or friction.--T-man, the wise 05:25, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


Ok, this is too, much. I can't take it anymore, I need a two week forced yet voluntary vacation. Block me until the 30th., please. I really need it, I've asked for this before. I just want to upload a picture for my talk page and I'm done.--T-man, the wise 05:53, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] *Can you telme a single page I've ever created NOT modified/eraded/undone/revert/redirect by DA just minutes after? The logic is, and be careful, most people doesn't seem to have the brains to get this (which is why I'm getting so exponentially angry), DA wouldn't be able to do such thing without monitoring me.

DA Harassing me in all the pages I've Created so far
# Article
in question		 Nature
of the vandalism		 # time in between the 1st harassment # of editors in between Evidence Comment
1 #Bomb! MEAN01 ODD01 Not even comics related, discovered through my contribs
2 Jokerz actually ok, but by editing stuff he ignores about just because I edited there, he messed concepts a little wrong 15 min NONE put wrong info -
3 Tobias Whale same as the Jokers, only he messed concepts a worst as a result of not being a fan of series in question (admittedly) and only editting because I did it first. 19 hrs. One. Edited a day after me. put wrong info Actually a smart way to mess with me.
4 Circe (comics) Erased info he didn't domain at all. 19 hrs. None, edited straight after me Erased Relevant info Other user backed me up by re-adding it.
5 Mortalla An ok edit, but the summary: (some badly needed copyedit) is mean onpurpose 23 hrs none, he edited straight after me mocked me in the summary -
6 Bat-Embargo Added the merge tag that destroyed the article
7 Animated Series Batman 5 hours none, he edited straight after me he added the tag that lead to it's destruction There are lots of symilar pages about leading characters with the name of the show
8 Silver Age Batman merged the article 4 hrs none, he edited straight after me erased my work
9 Golden Age Batman merged the article 4hrs none, he edited straight after me erased my work
10 Gay Batman (or whatever the name was) merged the article 4 hrs none, he edited straight after me
11-61 50 links comming soon Over 50 articles I created for the List of Justice League episodes were unilateraly redirected MORE THAN 4 TIMES EACH (I repeat Over 50, Over 50, Over 50,Over 50,Over 50,Over 50,Over 50,Over 50,Over 50,Over 50,Over 50,Over 50, Over freaking 50 articles!!! get it?!! ) by no other than DA, that means all that massive vandalism (as it was mindless) about from 2 to 4 each in average = 150 times none, he deited the 50 articles 4 times straight after me each one. *The_Enemy_Below This DA agenda vandalism was NOT supported by anyone else. Even people unsure about the project didn't do anything like him. when i created links to fix those after each time he turned all those into redirets he mocked me saying that he'll also use them to erase it again
62 Scarecroc02 1hr, 50 min none, he edited straight after me [2] What is he doing there? That's harassment on personal level.
63 Maryjane 1hr, 50 min - none, he edited straight after me [3] Not even comics related, discovered through my contribs
64 Nothing to fear only 4 minutes - none, he edited straight after me Broke the 3 rv rule the same day I created this article discovered through my contribs
65 For the Man Who has everything - Broke the 3 rv rule, started edit waring the same day I created this article discovered through my contribs
66 Jack-A-Dandy This was actually a set up and he fell for it 2 hrs none, as always, he was the first DA followed me here and got it all wrong when he copyedited. Why does he keeps editing articles he knoes nothing about? discovered through my contribs

get it???? not stalking?... well it goes on...

[edit] How many pages that I edit have not been modified/undone/revert/redirect by DA just minutes after?

The logic is, and be careful, most people doesn't seem to have the brains to get this (which is why I'm getting so exponentially angry), DA wouldn't be able to do such thing without monitoring me.

Table of pages where he edits mindlessly after and against me
# Article in question Nature of the vandalism # of times he insisted # of editors editing between Evidence Comment
1 Batman: The Animated Series :HLSS03, HLSS04
2 Characters appearing in Justice League Unlimited Erased info he didn't domain admittedly OK01, HLSS05
3 List of Justice League episodes ...after some productive edits with linking, guedelines aplications, formating lists in tables, adding existing images, categorizing and styling encouraged by WP, he improved the page by: ...reverting. 8-ish 5 times straight after me. BLER01 Yah, that's good faith. (no, seriously, we can't believe otherwise, so let's assume it is not vandalism which is synomim of bad faith editing)
4 List of Villains Re-Added a cleanup tag even though it was from when the article had another format *MOCK03 That was annoying and uncalled for
5 Enemies of Batman erased 6 paragraphs I added as introduction more than 10 MOCK01 Other users backed me until he gave up (as you can check IGNO02)
6 Bat-Embargo Added the merge tag that destroyed it Totally in spite
7 Batman Redirectes split articles This is where you can understand ho DA is nothing but a stalker and a prankster. He was the user behind Superman's article spitting, YET he undid Batman's only because I made it
Wikipedia talk:Harassment‎ Erasing a section from a talk page in order to hide 3 hours None, the first as always funny now he is trying to hide
10 minutes after none, he edited right after me followed me and ranamed wikis knowing that's know how those are supposed to be named (Rowe and Khaoswors told him so long ago) 5 hrs Right after me as always. [4]
!! My own bucking page!! Page moving, page erasing, grafity, mockery, etc. *changing text with insults

[edit] The dude is following my every step to then bother me

If anyone thinks this is wrong, he needs to investigate further.

Table of pages where he edits mindlessly after and against me
# What DA adtitted Evidence Comment
1 Admitting Monitoring
  • Reverting you is NOT the first thing I do each day (it's the third) (See! The sarcasm is too deeply engrained...), but I do check on you because I know your edits are sometimes too out there for me
  • I use my watchlist, not my user page, to monitor pages. I am not monitoring his activity. Secondly, "I" am the one creeped out by T-Man following ME to this page, when he has never edited here before.... FROM Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Dyslexic_Agnostic/Evidence
  • RECENT CONFIRMATION
 DA IS A BIT OF A COMPULSIVE LIAR AND EXAGERATE THINGS. ALL THIS TIME HE HAS BEEN FOLLOWING ME AROUND IN THE SAME FASHION. HERE YOU CAN SEE HOW HIS PREVIOUS STATEMENTS ARE SO CONTRADICTING. An unauthorized monitoring activity bacomes stalking when it disturbs, harass and upsets the stalkee. Monitoring and helping a grateful friend is encouraged, but here as the monitor was not asked to do such thing by anyone, has no real superior skills and insists even when the monitoree clearly and openly HATES him and the nature of his edits, he becomes a wikistalker taking away the freedom of another editor. DA's reverts of my edits often get un-reverted by reasonable users (Circe (comics), Enemies of Batman, Limited Series, Legens of The Dark Knight), making him unqualified as a stalker... Sorry, I meant monitor.
2 Admitting Ignorance *IGNO01 The character both was form the 40s and ALSO uses mind control. Here he erased something because he didn't know it. WHO THE HELL DOES THAT. How do you call DA for doing such not only useless but unproductive edit all because he is ignorant and wants to bother me however he can
3 He puts wrong facts in articles, just to erase my edits. * He made up a nonexisting concept in Limited series, "metaseries" Does anyone finds this whole "monitoring" usefull in anyway?
4 Admitting he is mocking
5 Moking *MOCK01 He mocks especially in summaries.
6 Vandalizing this page He know he is not welcomed yet he insisted
7 Posting in this page I've asked the ill man-kid-girl-whatever to stop posting here, as I don't post in his talk page since before the arbitration ended. Before that he knew that my most common reaction to his posting was unleashing my anger by "attacking" him, he used that to mock and provocate and get me in trouble. I'm still finishing to comprehend the concept of attack, I'm very emotional. Lame', synical and fake comments here and in other users page like "T-man and me buds?" or "Buds again?" BOTHER THE HELL OUT OF ME and he has enough intelligence to know and use that because I've told him and other users so LOTS of times... How ever the stalker keeps posting them
8 Poor monitoring He sucks ashes even as a monitor...
  • His poor monitoring got us in problems for the arbitration in the first place... Not even my big crappy and stupid attacking mouth, It was his reverts over mine that got Bennon and Shanel's attention.
  • His edits get as much or more complaints, as per previous point.
  • He is not that much more skilled than me
  • He ignores most of the topics
  • He deletes stuff other people added and read after him (not only me, but several users). I say: cut the middleman, WP wasn't made to have "LESS" information.
  • He is lazy, he is ignorant (as proved above) of the topics he edits over me, instead of investigating and fix the little mistake he migh find, he erases the whole thing.
  • He is not an administrator with authority. Why bother anyway?

Who the hell is he to monitore me, then

[edit] Attacks

  • This seems to be his justification modify every single edit I do.

[edit] DA doing what bothers me the most

User talk:T-man/Example of a type of DA harassment

Some interesting pages:

Bullies mainly use a combination of intimidation and humiliation to torment others. The following are some examples of bullying techniques:

  • Getting a victim into trouble with someone (usually an authority figure), or incurring disciplinary action against the victim, for an indiscretion either not committed by the victim or for one that is exaggerated by the bully.
  • Using blatant sarcasm to appear as friendly (to an outsider) while asserting control and status over the victim. (This often occurs directly after the bully has deemed the person as a "worthy victim")
  • Calling the victim names; accusing the victim of uselessness in all of his or her pursuits.
  • Interfering with the personal property of a person, school books or materials, clothes, etc damaging same, or making fun of an individual through them in any way. (in this case vandalism on this page of keep posting against my will]]
  • Social isolation of the victim. See also clique.
  • Cyberbullying through the use of various information technologies.
  • Making the victim do what he or she does not want to do, using threats to ensure that the victim follows orders.
  • Demoting the victim without just cause.
  • Spreading negative rumours and gossip about the victim. In business, this may include false documentation. He achieves this by always supporting who ever might say something negative about me on talk pages.


Anything oddly symilar to reality is just a coincidence --T-man, the wise 01:53, 16 June 2006 (UTC) |}

[edit] Clever Observations

  • "User:Dyslexic agnostic appears unable to assume good faith with regards User:T-man, the Wise Scarecrow, and appears to have formed himself into a one man T-Man correction squad, note [51]. I'm also concerned by the comments expressed in this diff, [52], which indicate some level of keeping an eye on T-Man. User:T-man, the Wise Scarecrow seems incapable of keeping his temper with regards Dyslexic agnostic". -Steve Block ( Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Dyslexic Agnostic/Evidence ).

Previous cases:

  • WARNING READ THIS NEXT ONE CAREFULLY 5 TIMES: In the matter of Cool Cat (talk • contribs) (aka User:Coolcat) — a case decided on October 5, 2005 — the ArbCom voted that wikistalking was unacceptable in the following circumstances: It is not acceptable to stalk another editor who is editing in good faith. (Note that everyone is expected to assume good faith in the absence of definite evidence to the contrary.) Once an editor has given reason to suspect bad faith, monitoring is appropriate, but constantly nit-picking is always a violation of required courtesy. There are hundreds of administrators available to monitor problem users...Following an editor to another article to continue disruption (also known as wikistalking)'. The term "wiki-stalking" has been coined to describe following a contributor around the wiki, editing the same articles as the target, with the intent of causing annoyance or distress to another contributor.
  • In the matter of Skyring — a separate case decided August 12, 2005 — a user was found by the Arbitration Committee to have committed "wikistalking". The committee voted 5-0 that:

The term "wiki-stalking" has been coined to describe following a contributor around the wiki, editing the same articles as the target, with the intent of causing annoyance or distress to another contributor. This is distinct from following a contributor in order to clear repeated errors.

On 13 June User:Skyring followed User:Jtdirl, editing a large set of articles that had recently been edited by Jtdirl (see contributions for 13 June). While it is not possible to fully assess intent, this action, and some of the edit summaries used, seem designed to provoke: "enfeebled minds", "Some professional standards, please!", "A common pattern for this editor to produce poor English", "Low quality of Irish editor"

[edit] My advise to other stalkees

  1. Don't talk to your stalker, it will only make it worst. (don't reply in summaries, articles talk pages, your or his page)
  2. Don't revert his edits on yours more than twice a day. (if he reverts you a third time, he can be blocked for edit warring, so ask a friend to do the third rv on the last stalker vandalism for you)
  3. Don't ever insult him.
  4. Create a list of links to histori comparisons showing a) what you did, b) what he did, c) time in between and d) # edits by other editors in between. You can do that openly in your page or in a sandbox.
  5. Never complain without showing strong clear evidence (as indicated).
  6. Don't complain openly in other users pages. Even though is harder to get anwers do it through mail.
  7. Don't acept frienship, due to stalkers nature, is best to ask for space.
  8. Always try to be polite and friendly to everybody.

I've learn all of that by commiting every one of those mistakes. --T-man, the wise 10:47, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Atourney needed

I see some of those gosipy fellows that somehow remind me of stereotypical scandal-monger outraged just about everything that mind every single bussiness (devaluating the meaning of outrage, by the way).

  • This is the only way I know how to say things. I believe what I say, I feel attacke by the people I "attack" (real people use f-- insults or fist, I'm just questioning and exagerating attitudes, I'm not doing anything morally wrong here)
  • If theese people care so much, they could get an attorny willing to translate my feelings in something more "proper".
  • Telling on me is an ACTUAL attack, since deep down by doing so you mean harm to me. Critizising real issues botherening me in a space you don't have to be reading anyway, only makes parties involved lisen to what I think to make up their minds.
  • An attourney is needed since I recognize most people only read tones and forget about meanings.

I need to tone my words down, but I'm not able to do it. Everytime I recall facts I get incredibly angry and bitter, but since nobody is helping me with my case, this is the only thing I can do to gather info.

  • If anybody knows a format to make formal complaints and gathering of info in a more profetional way, please let me know. I'm only complainig about something that bothers me infinite times more than anybody with a weak stomach getting ofended by my words. (wich are not a crime anyway)
  • Uh, I forgot, this has happened in the past, Da bothers me enough to drive me nuts, I complaint, editors don't believe because they state they don't have to reasearch, I should come up with the poof but, by doing so, other people claim that it is an attack wich makes my proof of me attacking (since there is no clear difference between saying somebody is attaking you badly and an actual attack)... If someone can figure out a way to cut the cycle I'd like to hear it.
  • DA cutting his invasive monitoring, postings here, requests to be "buds again", would be the best way. Monitoring migh be ok, but when the monitoree is an angry as myself I thing we have a synthom of that activity becoming ill and vicious. And should be suspended.
  • My request is that DA doesn't edit anywhere before 5 different users edit after my last. Making sure no edit war can be caused again by DA. --T-man, the wise 05:41, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
  • I also propose to reduce the edit warring by DA's compormise to not edit directly right after me and stop monitoring, while I block myself voluntarely 6 out of seven days of the week as a measure to control myself--T-man, the wise 18:25, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
"My request is that DA doesn't edit anywhere before 5 different users edit after my last." That can't happen, but you can both be banned from pages you disrupt through edit warring per the terms of your probation. Steve block Talk 12:05, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Well I said so to actually avoid edit warring, you're condradicting yourself. What do you sugest then? I don't find you any helpful? And where do you get the idea that it is imposible, administrators and myself could enforce. He will try edit war whatever I edit, he already did and said so.--T-man, the wise 18:01, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I apologise if you do not find my words helpful, but sadly we cannot block people simply because they happen to have changed your edits. However, like I say, given the terms of both yours and Dyslexic's probations, you can be blocked from pages you have disrupted. I do not suggest anything other than enforcing what has already been decided by the arbitration commitee. Steve block Talk 18:58, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
And, I apologise to you for being harsh, we should both try to be more empathic with each other. Do you understand the degree of DA's insistence of editing right after me every single time? ...if I edit right now a new page about a character DA doesn't know, odds are he is going be the first to edit right after and undo whatever I did. That's what iniciated the arbitration in the first place and people forgot all about it by the end.--T-man, the wise 00:37, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but what is actually wrong about someone editing right after you? I understand the personal attacks, and you have been both blocked and put under probation by the ArbCom due to that, but we're a) unable to enforce a "five-users" restriction, and b) not sure it would actually be of any benefit. If you get annoyed because he corrects your typos, then don't make typos. I've asked him to stop trying to contact you, but you need to stop treating every single edit of his as an attack on you. It is not, as you're giving these edits [11] [12] spins that are not present. As well, the list of all the Justice League episodes had resistance to its splitting, and all the excuses you've given do not mention the fact that you kept splitting them after users complained. I've asked him to stop his misbehavior, now stop yours. Titoxd(?!?) 02:33, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Exactamente. Él está editando de buena fé, ya que correcciones a cualquier texto en la enciclopedia es perfectamente permitido.
Lo que sí sigo viendo es que tú lo estás acusando en cada momento de mala fé, por lo que el texto en negritas te aplica a ti también. Lo sigues acusando de vandalismos que ocurrieron antes de que el Comité de Arbitraje interviniera, y dices que no lo has atacado después de que has sido bloqueado varias veces exactamente por eso. Cuando él te atacó, lo bloquee. Si tienes evidencia que compruebe sin dudas (algo que no he visto) de que él está actuando de mala fé después de que el caso fuera cerrado (y el famoso caso de los episodios no cuenta, ya que algunas series ameritan listas como ésas, y en otras no pueden ser mantenidas por falta de editores interesados en hacerlo, por lo que es mejor mantenerlas centralizadas), de que te haya vandalizado, o que te haya atacado sin ser bloqueado, enseñaselas a Shanel, a Benon y también a mi.
Insisto: le acabo de pedir que te deje en paz, pero si no quieres esperar, pon todo enfrente de ArbCom otra vez. Sin embargo, te tengo que recordar que en el caso previo, uno de los remedios aprobados fue tu expulsión por seis meses de Wikipedia, y a él no se le aplicó el mismo castigo. O sea, puedes esperar a ver si sigue mi petición, o puedes intentar pasar por esa ruta de nuevo. Tú decides. Titoxd(?!?) 03:24, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
¿Esto es vandalismo? Por Díos, ¡está intendando hacer las paces! Por lo menos así lo veo yo. Lo que también veo es que no quieres descansar hasta que le hagan algún tipo de matanza en público, que no es necesaria, ni justa. Lo único que estoy viendo es que hubo un problema, con los artículos de la serie, que fue lo único que se podría decir que se "deshizo", insistes en el que hay precendente para mantenerlos. No lo hay. Lo que también veo es que él no revierte automáticamente lo que haces, sino que lo edita, lo limpia, lo expande[13] y eso no tiene absolutemente nada de malo. Eso es lo que no quieres entender: no se necesita ser nadie "oficial" para hacerlo.
Lo que te estoy pidiendo es que des tiempo a ver si reacciona al regaño que le hice, ya que cualquier ataque hacia ti a partir de ahora es suficiente para mí para bloquearlo si vuelve a editar en tu espacio de usuario. Le pedí que te dejara en paz, pero lo tienes que dejar en paz tu también. (Y aunque digas que lo has hecho, no lo has hecho, por que dices que no lo haz atacado, y te he bloqueado dos veces por hacer exactamente eso.) Si él hace algo después de esto, ya veré que hacer yo. Pero si continuas ignorando los consejos de Shanel, Benon, y los míos, sigues haciendo amenazillas del tipo que hiciste en mi página de discusión, o sigues poniendóte en plan de víctima, puedes consdierar el programa de mentores terminado, lo que hará que recibas un ban automático de seis meses, que causaría que cualquier edición que hagas, sin importar los meritos, deba ser borrada inmediatamente. O sea, tu decides si quieres esperar si las cosas mejoran o no, que es lo único que estoy pidiendo, pero ya me estoy empezando a hartar de este tipo de actitud. Titoxd(?!?) 05:08, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Sí, es cierto, te enrabia que te diga eso de "seamos amigos". Pero eso esta completamente mal, y es lo que estoy intendando corregir. A mi no se me encargó cortarle la cabeza, lo que se me encargó es corregir tu actitud. Es lo que de plano no entiendes. Dices que el caso se abrió por el, cuando eso no es ni siquiera relevante—lo que sí es relevante es que a ti se te aplicaron las medidas más fuertes, y he hablado con el comité y me han dicho que si no corriges tu conducta, se te aplicaran más restricciones. ¿Por qué es tán dificil de entender? No le voy a cortar la cabeza, no voy a hacer una venganza que no es justa, porque lo que estas pidiendo no es justo. Intentar hacer las paces es parte de la Wikietiqueta, y no lo voy a bloquear por hacerlo.
"Me ha vandalizado 6 veces. Aunque 5 sean en el pasado es demasiada prueba de su mala fe." → correcto. Es prueba de tu mala fe, ya que la única vez que te ha atacado después del caso, él fue bloqueado. Ahora lo único que estás haciendo es que le estás dando la razón, ya que quiero ver si va a seguir contactándote despues de que le pedí que no lo hiciera. Pero si ni siquiera me das la oportunidad de hacerlo, ¿como rayos voy a poder hacer mi "trabajo"? Si tánto lo criticas y quieres que lo haga, déjame hacerlo, por mil demonios. Titoxd(?!?) 06:33, 2 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Clear Vandalism

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[edit] Harmless, yet annoying

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