Talk:Swamp Thing

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Contents 1 Quest of the Elementals 2 Plot summary 3 Gerber and Wein 4 Collections? 5 Solomon Grundy 6 POV-Check 7 Portuguese/Brazilian monster - same or different? 8 World Elemental 9 Fictional deity 10 Categories

[edit] Quest of the Elementals

I think "Quest of the elementals" is merely misunderstood. The artwork isn't poor.The artwork isn't Breccia, and alot of fans like this particular series.

[edit] Plot summary

I cut the following section, titled "Key plot lines under Alan Moore". It has style problems, but more than that, it only describes a single plot line (or maybe one and a half). If someone really wants to do a summary of the whole series, go ahead, although there are plenty of fan sites for that. ←Hob 19:10, 2005 Feb 26 (UTC)

After the revelation that he is not human in 'The Anatomy Lesson' Swamp Thing Returns to Louisiana. SW's relationship with Abigail Arcane deepens, but it turns out she has been engaged in an incestuous relationship with her own uncle (disguised as her husband, who has secretly been killed). Abigail's soul is sent to hell, but in an issue modelled on Dante's Inferno, SW follows Abigail, encountering characters such as The Spectre en route, and eventually rescues her.

Just as a note, the "Saga of the Swamp Thing" link now redirects to this artice, making it a recursively pointless mess. I can only assume there was once a seperate page for this storyline/comic. I don't know much about it myself so I'm not touching it, though I assume the best thing to do is just change the link to normal text. Just a heads up to the editors working on this page.--Lord Shitzu 12:33, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Gerber and Wein

Can anyone verify the circumstances I mention in the article - I remember reading it somewhere years ago, but I can't recall where. Lokicarbis 05:39, Mar 26, 2005 (UTC)

Googling their names and "roommates" produced this article on Cinescape, which is an interview of Gerber. However, it's Gerry Conway who is roommates with Wein, and Gerber was responsible for rewriting Man-Thing in order to be different from Swamp Thing. I'll fix that part in the article. --Grumpyhan 16:43, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Ah, many thanks for your correction. Lokicarbis 05:58, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Collections?

With four series and so many authors, is there a coherent set of trade paperbacks available for this series? Is anyone up to the task of cataloguing them? Has someone done so already? If I want to get into the series, where's a good place to start? Moore's run kicked off the whole British Invasion of the 1980s, right? grendel|khan 16:44, 2005 Apr 22 (UTC)

Added Collections of existing TPBs. (I am not sure if the 4th series has been collected beyond Bad Seed) -Grumpyhan 16:13, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Solomon Grundy

Solomon Grundy's origin is very similar to the Heap and he was introduced at DC not long after the Heap in the early 40's. Grundy has appeared in recent years in Robinson's Starman and in some memorable episodes of Justice League Unlimited. He deserves a page of his own, but I don't have time to dig out my old Green Lantern/Starman reprints.

Yes, and in one of Rick Veitch's Swamp Thing storylines, Grundy almost becomes Swamp Thing's successor. (That whole bit was probably totally mystifying to anyone who wasn't familiar with DC's long history of odd characters, but the same is true of much of Moore's DC writing, not to mention Neil Gaiman...) ←Hob 15:18, 2005 Jun 13 (UTC)

[edit] POV-Check

Somebody's done some tremendous work on this article, and it's great except for the multiple occasions where it strays into aesthetic judgments. I fixed a couple of them, but I'm not familiar enough with the series to get them all. Could somebody take a look at this? -leigh (φθόγγος) 03:35, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

How about now? Remove the POV tag if you agree. I also trimmed a bit of stuff that looked redundant/irrelevant to me, hopefully not too much. And I thought the intro paragraph needed at least a brief description of the character and a mention of Moore, who's still probably the most famous writer of the series. ←Hob 17:17, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Portuguese/Brazilian monster - same or different?

"Related creatures" says "Monstro do Pântano" is a similar but unrelated character from Brazil, created before Swamp Thing. But someone's added a "Monstro do Pântano" article to the Portuguese wiki (with an interlanguage link from Swamp Thing), and it's just a translation of Swamp Thing. Huh? ←Hob 17:24, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] World Elemental

There's a bit of a jump in the "Mark Millar" section between "Swampy says humanity sucks" and "world elemental". As written, it implies an intent to wipe out humanity once he achieves World Elemental status, without explaining that he doesn't do so or why. I'll try to improve on it sometime soon, unless someone wants to tackle it first. -- Slaarti 03:51, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

There. I think that should cover it. -- Slaarti 06:12, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Fictional deity

World elemental, or enlightened planet, does not equal deity. CovenantD 14:47, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Random editor 24, please discuss your objections with CovenantD here -- you guys might me able to work this out. My vote: Swampy is not a deity because (1) he seems to have been depowered; (2) few if any entities worship him. More generally, the whole "DC Comics Dieties" category is not that helpful. TheronJ 16:23, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Categories

Are all those categories really necessary - it looks absurd.--Peta 05:38, 30 September 2006 (UTC)