Talk:Superstar (Delaney and Bonnie song)

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[edit] "Superstar"

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Since you have the notice of major work on the Superstar (Carpenters song) page, I will refrain from editing and leave some notes here for you, in case you may find them useful.

1. The article probably needs to be moved. The general convention is, when disambiguation is needed, the original version of the song is used, so the article title should be something along the lines of Superstar (Delaney and Bonnie song).

2. You have a note about lyrical changes. There are some slight difference between the original and the Carpenters version. The one of note is this lyric from the original: "Loneliness / Is such a sad affair / And I can hardly wait / To sleep with you again." FYI, this change wasn't unique to the Carps version, but this lyric also isn't unique to the Delaney and Bonnie version. That is to say, the Bette Midler performance that inspired Richard C did not have the changed lyrics, but other pre-Carpenters versions (e.g., Cher's) use the "be with you" lyric.

3. I can't tell if you're trying to document all the pre-Carpenters versions, but, if so, you're missing Cher, who released her version as a single on Atco Records in 1970.

Good luck doing whatever with that article. GassyGuy 04:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Regarding point 1, I have worked on many song articles and understand the principle. But in this case, I disagree. The origins of this song are murky and complex - for example, you previously edited it as being a Bonnie Bramlett single (no Delaney), whereas I found references that indicated the reverse, but I wouldn't be sure at all until I saw an actual image of the 45. Furthermore the Blender magazine article that's now listed in Sources, doesn't mention a 1969 B or D&B single at all, and begins the song's history in 1970 with Coolidge driving the development of it. More investigation is needed, I think ... in any case, given all this, it's unclear what to do an "original" disambig to. Since the song is heavily identified with The Carpenters anyway, I think it's best to leave the disambig the way it is.

Regarding point 2, did Midler really stick with the "sleep" line on The Tonight Show? I'd love to see a recording of that ... nothing on YouTube.

Regarding point 3, Cher discography gives it as 1973. Well, looking at http://www.rhino.com/store/productdetail.lasso?number=7733 and http://www.geocities.com/marcapreguntas/chernotes.htm, you are correct. I get the feeling this single went nowhere and had little visibility? And did she change the lyric independently of Richard Carpenter changing it, but to the same thing? Seems a bit of a coincidence, and that there should be a common ancestor somewhere.

Anyway, I am taking the inuse tag off, so that you and others may edit. Wasted Time R 13:27, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

which uses the same credit as was given the A-side, "Comin' Home." I'm not sure how it's unclear that this is the original, though. The 45 was released in 1969, which predates the other versions. GassyGuy 19:54, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jade not this

Guess what, the Jade MacRae "Superstar" that caused someone to create this Superstar (Carpenters song) article in the first place ... is not this song! Not even close ... check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibfeyVGfNlM ... I will remove. Hunh. Wasted Time R 01:38, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

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