Talk:Superman (Kal-L)

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Contents 1 First Silver Age apparance 2 Superman#76 not an Earth-2 story 3 Death of Kal-L pic 3.1 Images and consensus

[edit] First Silver Age apparance

Added Superhero box and informartion about his first Silver Age apparance, but I can't find information about who were the artists or writers of that issue. --Ace ETP 00:07, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

I found it...Editor: Julius Schwartz, Cover Artist: Joe Kubert, Writer: Dennis O'Neil, Penciller: Dick Dillin, Inker: Sid Greene. I'm guessing only O'Neil and Dillin get credit for the creation/re-imagining of this character, right? Are inkers and editors usually credited with the creation of characters? --Ace ETP 01:02, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Superman#76 not an Earth-2 story

This story features an account of Superman learning the Batman's secret identity, which as shown in World's Finest Comics#271, did not take place on Earth-2 but only on Earth-1.

Also, one story suggested that the Earth-2 Batman started his career in 1937 see Detective Comics#65. Though his textual debut came in 1939, that story made it clear that the Earth-2 Batman had had at least one unrecorded adventure (the police already knew about him). There was another story published in 1952 which stated someone had studied him for 15 years.

[edit] Death of Kal-L pic

I thought it made the bottom of the page look cluttered and removed it in an effort to improve the page. There was no reason to label it vandalism. Assume good faith, remember? CovenantD 02:53, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I am SO tired of people telling me that. It's a hypocritical double standard, man. Anyway, Say something in the freaking edit summary. Besides, like a GIPU said, people, for some reason were avoiding the issues of Alex and Kal-L's deaths at first. Finally, have you even considered how removing pictures puts the uploader out? Honestly...

The picture helps illustrate the freaking death of this character and has a message to it. Something like that is just as importanté, if not more so than the image of an SHB. It stays. ACS (Wikipedian) 03:01, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Then why don't you get something a bit less cluttered, like just the last panel? Honestly with that and the Kal-El/Kal-L pic so close it's not aesthetically pleasing. You don't get to decide by yourself. CovenantD 03:04, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Neither do you. It's really not that bad. I mean...really. All this over two images. I moved the other one so it's displayed with the proper section. That's called improving an article. You should try it sometime. Now, I'm going back to viewing Smallville. ACS (Wikipedian) 03:31, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images and consensus

Hey. Well, I'll say this: An edit war, even a civil one, should be a sense to try and talk things out rather than just "doing it your way". Neodammerung, I'd like to thank you for fighting the good fight, but I'll also admit, there was a better way. Anyway, I'd also like to start by saying the non-cover art escape picture is a bit excessive and probably unnecessary. We already have a picture like that in the SHB. Using both is like linking to a character through their secret identity redirect and their superhero title in one sentence. Next, what's with all this "aesthetic" BS? I don't think that pertains to any Wikipedia policy. In fact, Someguy and Cov's obsession with it seems kind of creepy, don't ya think? I mean...who's it really "pleasing" to have pictures displayed in the wrong sections? I don't even wanna know. Plus, look the word up. "Aesthetics, esthetics, or æsthetics is both the study of beauty and the properties of a system that appeal to the senses, as opposed to the content, structures, and utility of the system itself." In other words, you're intentionally disregarding the way things should be done in favor of some silly POV method, which, BTW, is subjective and, I think, wrongly claimed in this case. The page might never be "Beautiful", but you're sure not making it look any better. Anyway, speaking of pictures and sections, that brings me to my key point. Am I the only one who sees the idiocy in displaying the Young supes versus Old supes picture at the freaking START of the infinite crisis section? It might not be too much of a spoiler, but come on! A whole section devoted to the fight and we put it two sections before that? It looks totally retarded. Finally, the death picture must not come before the "Sacrifice" section. I mean...really. Is that not common sense? ACS (Wikipedian) 02:34, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

The irony of that first line is just astounding. And stop the personal attacks, okay? CovenantD 02:47, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

I take you don't want to help the discussion, let alone see us reach a resolution. I'll forgive you for that, whatever your mysterious reasons may be. However, would you might ceasing with these baseless claims?! Where do I make any sort of "personal attack(s)"? (This is mildly rhetorical, BTW.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ace Class Shadow (talk • contribs) .

This is hardly what I or anyone else would call an edit war. You're making a big deal out of something that is merely a stylistic difference. What we did was simply adjust the placement of a few images. Learn your terms before going off on some rant. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 03:29, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Feh. Alright. I'll let it go. I'm not confused or ignorance, though, so don't try the whole "STFU, Newb!" thing. I know the terms. If you were working toward the same goal, it wouldn't take two people, that amount of time or so many edits. Please. ACS (Wikipedian) 03:35, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

It's Wikipedia. People will have differences. It's part of the process. However, it is not edit warring in that simple instance. It is edit warring when people are overly intransigent on an issue and refuse to give ground, which is certainly not the case here. Not everyone agrees, few are ever 100% right, and 10 edits over short succession is not that big of a deal. You simply insist on making it one for no apparent reason. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 03:41, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Of the two images we've seen at the botttom of the page, I'd rather see the Kal-L v Kal-El go bye-bye and keep the death scene. The former isn't all that relevant in the larger scheme of the character and there are plenty of pics already. CovenantD 04:15, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

This is part of the problem with comic pages. They tend to be heavy on the height so you have to pick and choose. I do agree though. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 04:17, 13 May 2006 (UTC)