Talk:Super Smash Bros.

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Contents 1 mines 2 SNES Origins? 3 Consider this: 4 Trivia section? 5 Mothra? 6 Failed GA 7 Criticism 8 Pit 9 Metal Mario 10 Opening Movie? 11 Pokemon in Smash 12 Debug mode? 13 Items 14 "Bowling ball hitting pins" 15 Story 16 Trivia section with no citation 17 Sneaky Vandalism 18 Smash Syndicate Forums

[edit] mines

I would say that the proximity mines in goldeneye are not related to the ones in SSB. I think that should be removed (and the section made longer) Playwrite 23:47, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SNES Origins?

I remember a long time ago I read that Super Smash Bros. was being developed for the SNES or Super Famicom but was cancelled for later development for the Nintendo 64 version. I was wondering if anyone knew anything about that. I've been looking online for something about it, but I think it'd be interesting to get some information on the SNES version. Has anyone else heard this?

List of cancelled video games makes this claim, but doesn't give a source. This isn't mentioned in any of IGN's early reporting on the game. Does anyone have a source? Ace of Sevens 22:00, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't, but I've read this too. Brutannica 19:07, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Consider this:

Since Super Smash Bros. contains the Pokémon franchise, I think that the upwards ring out into the background is derived from Team Rocket's infamous "launch into the sky and disappear as a little dot". Any thoughts? Oh, and I think the same goes for Melee as well. --Geopgeop 13:46, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

I don't think so. But that's me :P Adam Marx Squared 19:56, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

It's definitely not related. Andre (talk) 20:00, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

The "star" effect is famous in Anime in general; not just Pokémon. OOZ662 18:33, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I improved the relevance and diction of the Character section, but I left the cleanup tag because it still needs work. Is all that stuff about the "pro circuit" really relevant to most readers? I think more specific info about items and attacks would be a big improvement.' 68.42.164.153 20:10, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia section?

There's not a trivia section? one thing i find interesting is that the entire game is kinda based off of Hal's Kirby Super Star for SNES. The master hand is just a boss called "Bam Bam Rock" and uses all the same attacks.

The controls are very similar and you'll notice many similar attacks and enemies from the game.

Trivia sections are evil, because they are by nature not encyclopediac. Nifboy 22:33, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mothra?

Is it true that you can unlock Mothra? I don't think so myself, but at the time of my writing this, there is no refernce to the unlockableness of Jigglipuff.

Mothra instead of Jigglypuff? Whether this is not true or I have hallucinations. I have changed that lately, but some IP keeps including that. --Yuuki Mayuki 06:58, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Jigglypuff is unlockable (I have it on my game) but, Mothra is not. During the opening song it shows all the main characters in thier environment (or fighting someone else in thiers). Then thier is a flash of the silowettes (ceck speeling) of the unlockable characters. When you unlock a unlockable character it is no longer a sillwette but a plain character picture i have unlocked all the characters and there is no other silowette for Mothra.

P.S. What is Mothra?

H-BOMB 18:38, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Mothra is a giant flieing moth(or catapillar) from the Godzilla series of movies. P.S. it is insane to think she would be included.Qwerasdfzxcvvcxz 17:43, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Doc Strange 08:32, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmm... i think this guy means that Butterfly pokeman...

[edit] Failed GA

Not having sources is enough to fail this article, but there are other problems:

• Story: One paragraph is not enough for a section. Additionally, it should not speculate. It may be enough to say, "The game's introductory video depicts Master Hand..." and not speculate as to whatever "story" the game has.
• Gameplay/General mechanics: One paragraph is not enough for a section.
• Gameplay/Controls: Wikipedia is not a how-to. The CVG project suggests that "if the content only has value to people actually playing the game, it's unsuitable." This entire section is game guide material, which doesn't belong here.
• Gameplay/Items: Again, too short for a section. Merge these three subsections together.
• Characters: An awful mess. The names of moves are guide material, and unsuitable. The charging nonsense is just that.
• Secret Stage: Not only is it one paragraph, it's the only bullet point there. Bullets are for lists, and lists have more than one item in them.
• Non-playable stages: A misnomer, since they are played in 1P mode.
• Criticism: One-paragraph section again, no references (which are vital to reception sections), and reads like an advertisement.

So! That's why you fail GA! Nifboy 00:39, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism

This section is not notated very well (at all) and is very contradictory. It states that there is very little criticism, but goes on to say that many hated the simplified controls and 'outdated' graphics. If no one objects I'm just going to delete this section. --Thaddius 14:18, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I found this while looking and it does say that the graphics aren't amazing and that it isn't a 'fighting' game, but it does not criticism these aspects. I'd like to hear at least another person's views before I delete this altogether, or at least integrate it somewhere else. --Thaddius 16:02, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I'd go ahead and delete it. Besides, the graphics are simple because of all the things going on in the screen at once. :/ M2K e 20:44, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Indeed. Any kind of criticism (or, for that matter, praise or reaction, which would be a better section title) section absolutely needs sources for basically every statement in it. Nifboy 22:49, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Many game reviewers noted the weak single-player mode. I believe that is worthy of note. People get so caught up in the multiplayer matches that they forget the single-player mode even exists. The Legend of Miyamoto 02:40, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

"Many" is a weasel word. Please find a reviewer(s) who said it. Nifboy 05:05, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Glad you asked. Quoth Gamespot's review of Super Smash Bros. Melee, "One of the original Smash Bros.' weaker areas was its single-player modes, or lack thereof. Aside from a halfhearted "story" mode, there really wasn't anything compelling, outside of the multiplayer game." [1] IGN also made somewhat negative comments toward the single-player mode. [2] The Legend of Miyamoto 18:20, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pit

I'm very interested in seeing a source for this claim that Pit was supposed to be in instead of Jigglypuff. Can anyone help me (and this article) out? --Xubelox 20:54, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Metal Mario

Metal Mario is not unlockable in this game without the use of a Gameshark. Completing Vary Hard with 3 lives doesn't unlock him, nor will anything else. Please stop posting this under unlockable characters!

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I have personally beaten this game as both Link and as Ness with one life on very hard with no continues. There are absolutely no unlocks for doing so. Perhapse if it could be done with every character, however I doubt that is the case. Maybe someone able to finally provide proof of this could step forward. Another rumor I saw a few years ago involved the character's faces turning into a scowl, but that is also untrue. As I said, nothing happens.

I removed the citation needed because honestly I don't know what kind of citation you could possibly reference. It's just a fact, I've done it, but I guess unless someone went to the trouble of posting video proof, or could show a snippet of actual code for the unlocks, citation will not exist.

-Michael Hamilton

[edit] Opening Movie?

This may not belong here, but I didn't know where else to go. Can someone give me a link to a website that has the opening movie AND YOU CAN SAVE IT? This does not mean Youtube. You cannot save Youtube videos. (Or if you can, please tell me). Sorry if this doesn't belong here, but I didn't know where else to go. RememberMe? 04:05, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind, I found one. : ) RememberMe? 20:52, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Share the love? :) --Sparky Lurkdragon 21:22, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pokemon in Smash

Someone thought it was a good idea to remove the whole list of pokemon that appear in the game without discussing it first. I've added them back to the page. Maybe people think they belong somewhere else -- a trivia section perhaps? But I don't know. Before we change it dramatically, why don't we discuss first. In defense of the list, it's the only place you can find anything like it (in english). --Nick 13:34, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm of the opinion the pokemon list should be removed, for two reasons: One, it only helps people playing the game (A WP:CVG no-no), and two, this was discussed on the Melee page and the list of pokemon, list of items, and list of stages were ALL removed. Also, you can find lists exactly like this on GameFAQs. Nifboy 17:52, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

It's true that the Melee page reflects a very different wiki-philosophy from this one -- Take away this page's list of characters, pokemon, and stages and you have very little left. I'd agree it's a very "gamer-y" page. But I disagree that the list of pokemon only helps people playing. In fact, I'd argue it "helps" no one and instead could be interesting to anyone -- a pokemon fan, for instance. Maybe a description of what the pokemon actually do in the game is too "gamer" for the page, but I think a comprehensive list is necessary. And regarding its appearance on GameFAQs, no single list I could find gives every pokemon that appears in the game (saffron +item). I'd be happy with a merge to another page, but an outright delete doesn't seem right to me.--Nick 20:41, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I would argue that SSB's relevance to Pokemon fans is rather insignificant, but the "usefulness" of information isn't quite the issue here (else FAQs wouldn't be outlawed). Really, I just see the lists as "filler" that pads out the article yet serves no encyclopediac function. Nifboy 22:22, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Debug mode?

How do you activate the debug mode in the original game? I've never even heard of it.

I think asked that a while ago. I'm not sure, I've found no gameshark codes (even when I tell it not to search for melee debug mode, it still does), and I heard on youtube that it can be accessed through the use of an emulator. —↑_{Darklinkskywalker}|^{Talk_|i did this stuff_}↓ 02:34, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

OOOH! Lookie here what I found! http://gscentral.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3669 —↑_{Darklinkskywalker}|^{Talk_|i did this stuff_}↓ 02:40, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Items

Shouldn't there be something explaining the items? bibliomaniac15 18:35, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but I think I might add that right now. —↑_{Darklinkskywalker}|^{Talk_|i did this stuff_}↓ 02:33, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Scratch that, I forgot what the items are. —↑_{Darklinkskywalker}|^{Talk_|i did this stuff_}↓ 02:40, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Bowling ball hitting pins"

Sorry, but I don't remember this. Anyone that's heard a bowling ball hitting pins would know that's a totally inappropriate sound for a thwack or hit. The sound in the North American game is like a violent "WHACK." I'm changing this. Brutannica 19:07, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Story

The game has NO known story. Any theories on what could possibly be a story is nothing more than original research. This includes the whole Master Hand is some child's hand thing. If there is no story, it certainly does not need a section, so go discuss your theories somewhere else. 199.126.137.209 19:56, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Strange, the opening, game over, and victory deals clearly indicate that this is someone playing with their dolls.

[edit] Trivia section with no citation

"Rumor has it that Super Smash Bros. was originally a concept for the SNES." I'm gonna need to see citations for that. Valoem ^talk 23:33, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sneaky Vandalism

IP User: 67.70.23.32 had added a good deal of false information that required research to disprove. This page may need to be protected if vandalism continues.

He/She added "Heart removes only 300%" which is false. (Had to test that myself) and also character can not died on Planet Zebes except by star finish. (Not True) I am sure there were other things so I RVed to be safe. Valoem ^talk 01:27, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Smash Syndicate Forums

I've seen this forum linked over and over again on all of the Smash Bros. related articles. This forum has a whopping 19 members, and I'm pretty sure that puts it in the unnotable department. So if anyone sees the forum linked on any of the SSB related pages, do your best and delete it. Paji out ^_^ Comrade Pajitnov 22:06, 4 December 2006 (UTC)