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The "but every Yoshi is just as good as the next" comment is wrong in that the colored yoshi's all got special powers from holding ordinary enemies/items while the green yoshi only gained powers associated with that enemy. (ie the green yoshi could fly while holding a blue shell but the blue yoshi could fly with any shell. The blue yoshi was thus supperior to the green one.)

Also the comment about it being "more fun" than modern games violates NPOV. This should be changed to "considered by its fans to be more fun".

I don't know this game, but you obviously do. At Wikipedia, anyone can change the articles -- would you mind making the changes you suggest? Just go to the article and click "Edit This Page" -- I think your comments will improve the article. Jwrosenzweig 20:59, 13 May 2004 (UTC)

I removed those parts entirely since they didn't add any encyclopedic value to the article (I kept a few fragments, though moved to other parts, check the diff). I also removed the part about "subtle commentary about or our own society", because I don't see any ground for that. It's a great game though (personal top five), so I think I'll have to give this article a little attention when I get some free time. Fredrik 21:06, 13 May 2004 (UTC)

[edit] NO merger

Add a map of Dinosaur Island to the Dinosaur Island page and you will see how it can and should stand alone. 202.191.107.41 21:49, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anybody else loved this game?

Got the game when I was five before then I played Mario 1 religiously at a cousins house since I was three. This is still my favorite of all the Mario games which I've gotten to replay in my spare time. To show how things have changed, the feature we loved the most was the fact that you could go backward through levels to get stuff you missed. This was also one of the first games where you felt like you could beat it multiple ways (as in whats made the GTA series so fun). The cool thing was doing stuff like flying through a level and thinking you've found a way to bypass the level, when you end up at a secret ending (which means you have to beat the level the original way anyway. Over all a great great fun fun game and if you ever get the chance to play it do so.

I grew up on this game. Still am growing up on this game. I still play it everyday on my Super Nintendo. I got this game when I was about 3. My older brother gave it to me when he moved on to different, more "cooler" games. But this game was the mess when I was little. I lvoed going back to levels to get stuff I missed, and liked the castle levels in order to move to different worlds. I like the special features such as using the feather to fly and the mushroom to grow bigger (in some versions blue mushrooms made you get smaller or die). This was the greatest game ever and will be a great childhood memory of mine. I am so passing this on to my children. TearAwayTheFunerealDress 15:52, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

My aunt and uncle had an SNES at her house. Whenever we'd visit them, my brother and I would play Super Mario World. It is definitely my favorite old-school game, and in my top ten games for sure.—thegreentrilby 21:43, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

This game was excellent, I think I completed everything, although once the colour changed I stopped playing because it irritated me.--MaverickDruid 21:30, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

It was the first video game I have ever played (I played it when I was 3 in 1995) and I have been playing video games ever since. --Plainnym 20:24, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mode 7

Additionally Super Mario World utilised the special SNES "Mode 7", which adds 7 more bits to the 16-bit system for a total of 23 bits

The thing about 23 bits is just nonsense. 23 bits of what? There's no such thing as a 23-bit system. Such a thing is theoretically possible, of course, but it does not exist. A few words later the article goes on to say that it allows "hyper blast processing of ray traced polygons", which is a hilarious claim -- no Super Nintendo game uses ray tracing (though Doom and such may use raycasting, which is a part of the raytracing process, but it is not raytracing by itself any more than cocking a gun is shooting), nor would the system realistically be capable of it. What mode 7 actually does is allow images to be rotated and scaled (which is not used very extensively in Super Mario World, but I think it is used for parallax scrolling background, and the scale/rotate effects when you beat bosses). - furrykef (Talk at me) 13:11, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I looked up who made the edit and it was an anonymous IP who also changed "16-megabit cartridge" to "16-megapixel cartridge" (which was caught and reverted). I'm guessing it was just some vandal who was trying to be cute, but I decided to leave the mode 7 mention in the article, revised for correctness of course. However, I don't think mode 7 in the game is particularly notable, so if anybody wants to delete it, I won't object. - furrykef (Talk at me) 13:48, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Mode 7 is a graphics mode that refers to scaling and rotation, if memory serves. - Shingen

Scaling and rotation? So in other words, when fighting Bowser and his kids.--Kuribo 22:15, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Three-dee Goombas

Hey, paisanos! I'm the guy who did the "23-bit" edit.

And I did it for, well, completeness, because everything else in that paragraph is total bullshit too. Go figure!

- There is no "specular highlighting" in Super Mario World, least of all in that 9-pixel little blob on the Goomba head. "Specular" means that a point on a surface will change illumination depending on the angle of the viewer (hence the Latin word root "spec"), and it is the opposite of "Lambertian". I think what you meant was that SMW was one of the first games to use shaded or depth-cued pixel art...

- ...but even that's a lie. I mean we can take it as far back as 1984's Marble Madness, and probably earlier but that's just the first example I thought of. And it still predates yours by 7 years.

- Speaking of 7, your edited version of my Mode 7 blurb didn't even reduce the bullshit factor any. I think you'll be surprised to find out that Mode 7 does not allow parallax scrolling, or anything remotely having to do with sprites. I quote: "Notice that Mode 7 has only one BG. All games which appear to have a Mode 7 screen but more than one BG either use sprites to simulate a BG, or switch video modes midframe via HDMA."

- And also of course the game is 4 megabits, not 16, because looking up that sort of shit is so hard to do.

If I knew the article was wrong, why didn't I just edit it for correctness, then? Actually, my friends already did. But you just reverted their changes.

(BTW: I'm sorry if "kicking rad" violated NPOV.)

Thanks a lot for your explanations. I have edited the article to address your points. Fredrik | talk 08:26, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cleaning

This article is a disaster. I'm already making quick fixes. DrippingInk 13:47, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] 2xSAI

That picture of the fire flower looks to have the 2xSAI filter enabled (it smooths the graphics, don't ask me for a technical explanation). This is somewhat deceptive: the original was not, I assure you, so clean. My computer is surely not up to the task of creating a new screenshot, perhaps someone else feels like doing so. - Vague | Rant June 30, 2005 09:38 (UTC)

On second glance, the screenshot of Mario mounted on Yoshi is likewise filtered. The one with the Goomba is OK, but the screenshot of the title screen is, of all things, a JPG! - Vague | Rant June 30, 2005 09:40 (UTC)

[edit] Super Mario World 2: Prequel or Sequel?

I noticed that Kertrats reverted part of my edit in which I changed Super Mario World 2's descriptor to sequel rather than prequel. I figured it was a typo, but now I see where he's coming from. Chronologically, SMW2 would be a prequel, but the '2' in SMW2 generally indicates sequel status...SMW2 also was developed in response to the popularity of the first game, so it was released later than SMW. Can anyone clear up whether Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island is a prequel or sequel?

I call it a prequel. Andre (talk) 05:33, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

Go change prequel to sequel in The Phantom Menace's article. See how well that goes. SMW2 is an American name. -- A Link to the Past 05:35, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I guess I see where you guys are coming from on this. Thanks for the clear-up. --pie4all88 06:58, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] 'Vandalism'

Hey, you call my edits vandalism?!?! What are you, a lunatic?!?! If it's called Super Mario World 2, then it's a sequel. Keep up with your behavior and I'll have you blocked!! And it's called Super Mario: Yoshi's Island in Japan. Marcus2 18:59, 16 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Well, for starters.

So, if the plot said it was a prequel to Super Mario World, the name (added to make money) would supercede that?

My behavior? It is a supermajority that this game is not a sequel, in no means whatsoever.

And? I don't see either World or 2 in that. - A Link to the Past (talk) 21:05, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

As for the sequel part, see this link. And saying that SMW2 was added to make money is an unproven statement. Who (esp. in the Nintendo field) said that? I will not revert back to my version of the paragraph until we can come to an agreement, however. Marcus2 14:28, 20 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Well, I guess your argument holds water as long as you do not count the fact that the plot never even hints at a sequel status, the fact that it actually hints at a prequel status AND the fact that World 2 was added for only ONE region. Honestly, there is no agreement necessary. In fact, the best thing would be to ArbCom you (which is used for bad and/or uncooperative users). Fact of the Day: No one is on your side, everyone disagrees with you. There is a clear consensus opposing you, yet you continue to shove your POV down Wikipedia's throat. That's undermining both Wikipedia and every user on it, and so, you are a vandal. - A Link to the Past (talk) 21:05, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Nintendo calls it the "sequel to Super Mario World" [1]. With regards to a related controversy, I think the only consistent choice is to go with this... - Fredrik | talk 21:27, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

It's a sequel inasmuch as gameplay is concerned, but the plotline takes place in the past. From the TMK page: "The sequel to Super Mario World takes place in Mario's past." Andre (talk) 21:50, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

For one, since when did we listen to Nintendo of America's crack pot theories? For another, wouldn't logic (that fun little concept that makes it impossible for this to be a sequel) supercide promotional advertising? For yet another, that isn't necessarily the opinion of the higher-ups, just the webmaster. Notice how Zelda.com said there is only one Link? And for yet another, they seem to have dropped the monicker in the GBA port. Grasping? Promotional advertisements from Nintendo webmasters have ceased to become worthy of being called evidence. - A Link to the Past (talk) 21:53, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Fair enough, but the fact that NOA calls it a sequel may be worth mentioning explicitly. Fredrik | talk 05:13, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

It may be worth mentioning that some editor on their website says so, but is an idiot. Some idiot webmaster at Zelda.com said there is only one Link, and Eiji Aonuma disagrees. The guy even got a lashing from Miyamoto. - A Link to the Past (talk) 06:17, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

We could say that, but it wouldn't be factual. Unless you have a source according to which the editor is an idiot. Fredrik | talk 10:27, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Very, very bad form, ALttP. Assume good faith applies here. You've called me a vandal over a misunderstanding in the past, and now, even though you are factually correct, which I am not denying in this case, you are caling someone else a vandal. There is a very key difference between vandalism and incorrect information. Did you make any attempt to contact him before declaring his actions "vandalism"? --HeroicJay 20:32, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

I told him that if he continued to ignore the obvious majority against him I'd RfC him for being an uncooperative user. The fact of the matter is that Marcus has less interest in what is factual, and more interest in how he wants certain articles to look. - A Link to the Past (talk) 20:51, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Did you tell him why he was wrong before calling him a vandal? Was it on his talk page? Did he respond to it? Given what you said, I'm going to try not to sound any more accusatory than I have to. --HeroicJay 20:55, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

You might also note that I did not refer to him as a vandal. There is a certain line between mistakenly adding false information, and adding it KNOWING that he is vastly outnumbered. Regardless, it seems that you are so fervent in this debat because I supposedly called you a vandal. There is no defensive for vandalism, as there have been many debates that Marcus has participated in where his proof was minor at best, and there are two sections containing information proving beyond any shadow of a doubt that Baby Mario and Baby Luigi are Mario and Luigi. Get over it, sometimes people vandalize articles by putting false information. It's not the end of the world. - A Link to the Past (talk) 21:37, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

There is someone that's on my side, somewhere on Wikipedia. And I'm not adding false information. I actually am trying to be factual. "World 2" was also added in Europe, I think. Saying that there is no one on my side is an insult, and so is calling me a vandal. Do it again and I'm sure I'll post to an admin to give you a warning for you to be of shaved of your Wikipedia privileges if you continue after that. Marcus2 22:56, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

So, what you're saying is that the one who is going to get banned from Wikipedia is the one who is actually acknowledging the existence of others' opinions. Answer me this - did Miyamoto intend for this to be a sequel? If you say yes, then I guess that creates a conundrum when MARIO AND LUIGI MEET THEMSELVES - WHO LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THE BABIES IN YOSHI'S ISLAND. So, what are they? Clones? Doppelgangers? Insane coincidence that two babies would be born with a similar appearance and name to Mario and Luigi, with a similar opponent whose only difference is that he is Baby Bowser opposed to King Bowser? Or the fact that Kamek has aided both Bowser as a Baby and as a King? Face it, Marcus, logic and fact have a higher priority on Wikipedia than some crack pot theory of yours. Oh, and you might as well go to an admin and tell him I'm picking on you. If I called you a doodie head, would you try to get me ArbCom'd? Hardly. If anyone would be ArbComed in this situation, it would be you, for being a disruption to the community in defying fact and consensus. It seems you haven't cleaned up your act as you have claimed in order to escape an RfC, so I might as well set one up. I mean, threatening Wikipedians with an indefinite block, ignoring consensus, and demanding that assumptions and speculation be allowed in your case would make a nifty RfC. - A Link to the Past (talk) 23:30, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Okay, I took a closer look at his talk page (before, I only skimmed it to see if this topic was mentioned. I gave up when I didn't see it exactly - actually, it was mentioned, just not in the way I expected. And I also checked over some of the other topics there this time.) Yes, I see that he is stubborn and persistent with unpopular decisions... but I'm still leery about calling him a vandal. He reminds me extremely strongly of a regular user (who I will not name) from another Wiki I frequent and have sysop status in: very stubborn, makes unpopular decisions, but doesn't seem to actually be going out of his way to ruin anything, and makes useful edits mixed in with the not-so-useful ones. (Well, from what I've seen. Technically, I am not very familiar with Marcus2 and am trying to give him the benefit of the doubt from what I have seen.) This user from the other Wiki has never been labeled a vandal (well, okay, he got banned for a little while when he got angry and directly and unfairly insulted another user. But that's it AFAIK.) And, with all due respect, you have seemed stubborn in the past on various issues as well (I'm not just referring to the argument we had a while back, although that is a good example.) And I think there are better ways to resolve this than the two of you threatening to report each other. Anyway, for what it's worth, I think that Yoshi's Island is pretty clearly a prequel to the rest of the series, so I'm not defending the edit he made specifically. --HeroicJay 04:51, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

A vandal is not just someone who deliberately edits an article for the sake of damaging it, it can also be used to describe a person who knowingly makes edits that are clearly not in the best interest of the community. - A Link to the Past (talk) 06:59, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Regardless of whether Marcus2 is right ("prequel" is fine with me), I have seen no evidence that he knowingly hasn't acted in the best interest of the community here. Calling him a vandal seems inappropriate. Fredrik | talk 08:28, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Right. Perhaps he doesn't want the page the way you want it, and perhaps nobody agrees with him. But that doesn't mean he's intentionally trying to make it worse. --HeroicJay 21:24, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

And I assume you did not read a word of what I just said. A vandal is NOT necessarily someone who aims to damage the article for the sake of damaging it. - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:07, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

You assume incorrectly, but I assume that you have not read the first sentence of this page: "Vandalism is any addition, deletion, or change to content made in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of the encyclopedia." This is followed by "Any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia, even if misguided or ill-considered, is not vandalism. Apparent bad-faith edits that do not make their bad-faith nature inarguably explicit are not considered vandalism at Wikipedia." --HeroicJay 05:10, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism is open to interpretation. Fine, Marcus, you're not a malicious vandal, you're just a misguided vandal. Except you know damn well that you've been proven wrong on the matter, and you are clearly trying to enforce a massively unpopular opinion. - A Link to the Past (talk) 05:17, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Also on that page is what vandalism is NOT, which includes: "Bullying or Stubbornness: Some users cannot come to agreement with others who are willing to talk to them on an article's talk page, and repeatedly make changes opposed by everyone else. This is a matter of regret—you may wish to see our dispute resolution pages to get help. However, it is not vandalism." So he's not a vandal, according to Wikipedia policy. Get over it. --HeroicJay 05:19, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Back on the original topic, it has been pointed out to me that Lufia 2 is considered a prequel by just about everyone despite having the "2" in its title, so the "2" in the English title of this game shouldn't affect its "prequel" status. (Although, I now notice that the word "prequel" appears nowhere on the page... it does appear on the Lufia page though.) --HeroicJay 05:24, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Yes, most of this debate has been the wording. Okay, Marcus, you're a stubborn misguided user. And yes, I'd say the Lufia 2 thing gives an example that having a higher number than the original does not mean that it takes place afterwards. - A Link to the Past (talk) 05:58, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Too many pictures

There are too many pictures on this article, mostly character images that don't reflect anything specific about the game. They should be in the individual character places, and not junking up the entire right side of the article. If I get no comments or replies in the next little while, I'll delete them. -- VederJuda 17:41, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

Can we source the information regarding the Japanese title of YI, please? Andre (talk) 21:55, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

GameFAQs lists it as Super Mario: Yoshi's Island. - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:03, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Lighting on sprites

For example, in Figure 1, a Goomba is shown with careful highlighting, while Mario's front is brighter than his shaded back. This gives the player the perception that a light source is coming from the top right corner of the game screen.

...until one of the characters faces the other direction, in which case the lighting will obviously appear inconsistent to anybody paying attention... but of course few gamers do. ;) - furrykef (Talk at me) 15:43, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Where'd Figure 1 go anyhow? Octavo 02:20, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I erased all of this. Its ridiculous. Its just a detailed lie, with a horrible picture. Its gone. DJ_Kingpin 12:15, 18 June 2006

[edit] Lies, More Lies and Damn Lies!

"thereby the 16-bit console debut of Mario"

Mario appeared in the games Donkey Kong and Donkey Kong Jr., both of which appeared as arcade ports on the early 80's system, the Mattel Intellivision - which was a 16 bit system. Therefore, I submit this like to be stricken from the record! 71.124.16.93 21:29, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

I didn't think Intellivision was 16-bit. How does that work? Andre (talk) 02:52, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

In fact, the Intellivision was 16-bit. You can see it on Wikipeida's Intellivision page and on the [| www.IntellivisionLives.com website]

"The CPU is the General Instruments CP1610. This is a general purpose 16-bit microprocessor which has 1024 separate op-codes, and can equally well use 8-bit, 10-bit, 14-bit, and 16-bit RAM or ROM."

As such, the Intellivision was a 16-bit console that had not one, but two games that featured Mario in them (DK and DKjr). 71.124.16.93 03:07, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Did Nintendo copy Deep Note?

The sound when inserting a key into the hole for a secret exit starts out with tone generators in a narrow range then widening to an F power chord. It sounds like "Deep Note", the sound logo of THX, sped up by a factor of about 4 or 5. Was this on purpose? --Damian Yerrick (☎) 02:54, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Super Mario World online

Hey does anyone know where I can play Super Mario World online? The actual Super Mario World? And I don't want to to download anything either. (Plainnym 15:48, 16 June 2006 (UTC))

Unless Nintendo has set something up, any online version of the game would be illegal. Maybe the Wii will allow something similar when it comes out. MrLeo 21:27, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Okay....I guess I'm better off buying another Super Nintendo......(Plainnym 14:44, 22 June 2006 (UTC))

You could buy the Game Boy Advance version...if you just want to replay this game. Hbdragon88 18:54, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

How coincidental! --Plainnym 20:21, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 96 exits and Star World?

Does the 96 exits includes all the exits to Star Road and around Star Road? 170.65.192.6 18:29, 13 July 2006 (UTC) (User:Aaron McDaid not logged in)

Yes it does. There are 96 exits in the entire game, -DJKingpin 00:30, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Special World Sprite Changes Irreversible?

Either my memory is foggy, or I'm right, but I'm pretty sure you can reverse the sprite/palette changes brought on by completing Special World, and that part of the article would need to be changed to, "Reversible only by erasing the file on which Special World was completed."

That's kind of true. You can reverse the sprite change by erasing the file that had beaten the Special World, but the Special World sprite change does not affect the other two file saved; the changes only take place within the one file. —№tǒŖïøŭş4lĭfė ♫♪

[edit] World 8 & 9?

No one calls them that. They have never been called that. Star World and Special are the official names of those two worlds. I don't know who wrote World 8 & 9, but it's not right. If it happens again, there had better be a link proving thats what they are. --DJKingpin 23:01, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Someone did it again. Stop it, or post proof that they are world 8 and 9. DJKingpin 21:07, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I think they might be referred to as such in the official guide for the game, entiled "Mario Mania". However I haven't looked at the guide in years so I may be wrong... SNS 00:25, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adding link to military use of SMW

Several times I have ended up here when I wanted to go to Strategic Missile Wing, which is always abbreviated as SMW. I added the single line as to not interupt the article, but make it easier for others interested in USAF related topics.

How could you have ended up at this article while searching for Strategic Missile Wing? SMW does not redirect to Super Mario World. It goes to a disambiguation page, which mentions both articles. (Notorious4life 03:57, 9 October 2006 (UTC))

No, smw lead direct to this page, not a disambigous page. That is why I made the change. I just saw that SMW (all caps) goes to the other page, so I guess I will need to change that page instead. Pharmboy 10:46, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bad News: No SMW for Launch on wii!!!!

Nintendo did not put it for launch or for this year [2]. Frankyboy5 05:21, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Wow - the selection really is pretty poor considering it's just a case of straight-porting old games in most cases. Makron1n 12:30, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Super Mario world

Ok, me and friend were playing Super Mario World, 2 player, and he acdently hit my SNES. The screen went black, and it played the speed up time is running out tune. It played a creepy track, and it speed up. We shut it off, confused what was happining. Friend then went home and played his. He said, (alothough he might be lieing), that he did the same, and a picture of bowser apeared when the song ended. Can someone expain what happined? Has this happined before? I think it is a lost track.

This, friends, is how rumors get started. :| --CCFreak2K 09:06, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 100 exits?

Call me crazy, but I clearly remember getting the number "100" next to my file instead of "96" with a star. This was on a cartridge bundled with an SNES that was purchased for Christmas of '93 in the US. Is this possible any way on any revision of the game, or am I on crack? Thanks. David McCabe 08:47, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

It isn't possible on any version of the game. There are 96 exits. DJKingpin 13:17, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

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