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[edit] Final Fantasy boss: Culex

But- what about the FF boss in the game? Not mentioned, but I can't remember where it is. In the lower-left hand corner of the world.

Culex in Monstro Town. –Andre (talk) 15:13, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I read somewhere that Culex actually wasn't in any Final Fantasy game, just themed like one. GSGold 01:50, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I believe Culex was in Final Fantasy V, though the music (both the fight theme and victory theme) that appears in Super Mario RPG is from Final Fantasy IV. - Furrykef 03:27, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Can you please add a picture of Culex to the articule? PLEEEASE? -Anonymous

He's not in any FF games, he is only modelled after them. 70.156.34.60 21:09, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Maybe; let me log on and get to that point in the game. :) 70.178.93.149 19:11, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Soundtrack relevance

Does a track listing of the soundtrack really belong here? - Furrykef 04:55, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I personally don't see the point in it. Andre (talk) 05:02, Nov 6, 2004 (UTC)
I honestly was wondering what it was doing there; it's so large that it kind of squishes the rest of the content into the top. [[User:Mo0|Mo0[talk]]] 07:03, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Agreed. I've gone ahead and deleted the Soundtrack section, and added an External link to a web page with the soundtrack listing. --LostLeviathan 21:27, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Any one know where I could find this soundtrack? Couldn't it have been on a seperate page? I really wish I could see it. SamWhite 22:30, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Last game square made for Nintendo?

"...[it] was the last Square-produced game for a Nintendo video game console until 2003, with the debut of Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles for the Nintendo GameCube."

Could someone get confirmation for this? The Squaresoft page indicates that they released several games for the Game Boy Advance (also a Nintendo video game console) in 2003, and that Chrystal Chronicles came out in 2004. Apparently, Crystal Chronicles came out in Japan in 2003, and in the United States in 2004; so, did any of Squaresoft's games for the Game Boy Advance come out before Crystal Chronicles? --LostLeviathan 21:43, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Nintendo is a Japanese console, Mario is a Japanese character and Square is a Japanese company. So why should the Japanese release be ignored and the American release be counted as "the only true return of square to Nintendo"?. Now THAT'S out of the way, your question about GBA. FFCC on the Cube came out August 8, 2003. The next Nintendo release was a GBA game December 3, 2004 called "Final Fantasy I & II: Dawn of Souls", you may have heard of the Final Fantasy series. The next one was "Slime Mori Mori Dragon Quest: Shougeki no Shippo Dan" in December 10, 2003. The wifi was correct and it will stay that way. JayKeaton 18:36, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

All of those things are indeed Japanese, as is Treasure Hunter G, the actual last game released by Square for a Nintendo video game console. Kil 04:50, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
True, but Treasure Hunter G game wasn't, well, major by any means. In fact, the "The Ultimate History of Video Games" book, written by Steven L. Kent and published by Prima Communications Inc., claims that Super Mario RPG was the final game developed by Square for the SNES. I think we should take its word for it. User:Dragon DASH 18:34, 21 June 2006
The current version seems fine since it makes the distinction "major game". Still, I sort of feel that something more interesting and less dubious belongs in the opening paragraph. Kil(talk) 20:04, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gateway Drug?

I don't believe that the term "gateway drug" should be used; I've replaced it with the meaningfully-equivalent "introductory. ~GMH

That's all well and good, but why not? Andre (talk) 01:35, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
I don't think its really necessary either without expounding on it more as to why it could be considered a gateway drug. To say its a good introduction to RPG games is one thing to say its a gateway drug implies addiction, which isn't always so. I've played some of this game and some of PM:TTYD and I'm not much of an RPG player. K1Bond007 05:00, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
I thought it was clear enough from the gateway drug article. Andre (talk) 18:47, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
I clearly understand the use of the term, I don't, however, feel its a necessary term to use. It doesn't really matter to me though, I'm just commenting here. :) K1Bond007 20:43, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
I agree with the person who mentioned the implication of addiction, since role-play gaming is not something that can be counted as a true addiction, especially considering the way drugs become addictions.
Whoever thought up the use of "gateway drug" in this context needs to re-check his definition of a professional encyclopedia, thank you. Wisgary 01:02, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Agreed, it's rather silly. While gaming, roleplaying, or escapism can be addictive, it's hardly the kind of chemical drug most talk about. It's no more addictive than... happiness. Sex, exercise, praise and food are far more addictive I'd say. Tyciol 20:43, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Same music as Final Fantasy?

I had once heard that the music for the Mushroom Kingdom in this game is the same as a certain town in Final Fantasy V. Can anyone confirm this? ~Hibana

This seems to be listed under Wikipedia... so yes, confirming it would be good. I never noticed, but I was never very observant. Tyciol 19:30, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Smithy screenshot

Do we really need to use a screenshot of the Smithy fight? -- A Link to the Past 23:06, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

Well, I don't think it hurts. I suppose it might constitute as a spoiler, especially since you see Bowser in your party, but all the article needs is a longer paragraph alongside the pictures of the game for the Smithy battle to fit right in. --pie4all88 02:14, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
I would usually agree with pie4all, but on the Final Fantasy VII article, it was recently concluded that the Sephiroth final battle picture was just better off not in the main article...so while this is a lesser game, perhaps we should follow same 'rule?' Lockeownzj00 23:51, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
I think it constitutes as a spoiler too, it's largely unnecessary. Smithy is meant to be a mystery until the end. Having a picture of Mario fighting Bowser, Hammer Bros. or Mack would make more sense. Even Mack's appearance is no surprise based on his minions who you fight earlier. Tyciol 19:30, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Move-back

Why was this moved to the longer title? It's more well-known as "Super Mario RPG," which has 82,300 Google hits. The longer title has only 16,800. Andre (talk) 04:41, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

Wouldn't Paper Mario and so on also be "Super Mario RPGs"? Besides, the official title is Super Mario RPG: The Legend of the Seven Stars, so I don't see why you'd want to use another name. I mean, I bet more people call Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time "Zelda" than by the full title, but that doesn't mean the article should be renamed accordingly (probably as many players think Link is really named Zelda, for that matter, as those who know otherwise). So I'd say leave it be.--Deridolus 20:16, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

You are both wrong, if there is no better (or others) page for Mario_RPG then MARIO_RPG should link straight to the longer title. Which it does. Thank you and good night JayKeaton 18:38, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Redirect link (Culex)

Why does this article have a link to Culex, but Culex is just a redirect to this article? Jaysbro 15:05, 17 November 2005 (UTC) Also what about other uses of Culex like the genus of mosquitos?

I have removed the self-redirect. I have also created a disambiguation page at Culex, since Mosquito was linking to the redirect. Mushroom 18:23, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Who are the other two?

Along the way he meets up with 6 other characters which will help him in this quest.

This is found in the Story section. I think it's 4, not 6. Mallow, Geno, Bowser, and Toadstool, in that order. Correct me if i'm wrong.

Well, technically he probably meets dozens of characters, but yes, only 4 (Toadstool, Bowser, Geno, Mallow) actually accompany him as fighting teammates. Tyciol 19:30, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Closed Captioning?

What is meant by the comment about SMRPG being closed captioned? I've played it on TVs with the captions turned on, and never seen traditional captions. --Ntg 04:37, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

I was wondering the same. Bob A 04:23, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
It appears to be subtle vandalism. It was added by 12.210.89.166 in mid October of last year. Around that time, this IP address was repeatedly warned, and shortly thereafter blocked, for adding nonsense. I'm just going to go ahead and remove that sentence from the article. -Wild Bill 03:01, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Character names

I've changed the article back to using the names of the characters as provided by the game. I realize the more "correct" names are Princess Peach Toadstool, King Bowser Koopa, etc. but the names actually used in game are the ones listed in the article. --Ntg 06:42, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Final Fantasy V music reference

In the references section, it mentioned that the music for the Mushroom Kingdom was directly pulled from Final Fantasy V. This is not the case (I listened to them and am familiar with both songs), though the two songs do sound rather similar. JayKeaton 18:41, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Technical

I put the technical information on the game near the top. I really don't want it there, but it makes sense to have it before the spoiler section, in case people still interested in playing the game who have never done so wish to learn about the technical details. I will not be offended if this is moved. (Please move it, rather than reverting, as I fixed a typeo IIRC) --Overand 09:37, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Geno-Pinnochio?

This comparison was recently removed. Rather than make some edit war, I thought we could discuss it's validity here. Geno is indeed a magical doll brought to life by a star. He also received his name from his owner (the kid, similar to Gepetto naming Pinocchio) The difference is, Geno IS the star, and he fights. He also doesn't need a conscience, he's actually more like the group's conscience, the spiritual guide throughout the quest. Even so, the similarities are worth noting I think, unless someone has a closer doll. Tyciol 19:30, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jonathon Jones edit war

  • Jonathan 'Johnny' Jones: Johnny was once the captain of a pirate ship until a giant squid sank it. Somehow becoming merman-like creatures, Johnny and his pirates now command the ocean from beneath its waves, employing the same squid that sank them to protect their ship's treasure hold. Mario must fight his way through the sunken ship, which is now infested with ghosts, and fight Johnny and his minions to earn a Star Piece.

was changed back to

  • Jonathan 'Johnny' Jones: Johnny is a shark pirate that inhabited the sunken ship with his fellow sharks. Mario must fight his way through the sunken ship, which is now infested with ghosts, and fight Johnny and his minions to earn a Star Piece.

withouut explanation. I believe my expanded edits are consistant with the game, why were they removed? Due to spoilers? Due you believe the information is false? Please exlain, or I will revert the revert... but it is good to discuss it here first to resolve the disagreement. Tyciol 19:30, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

I think the second one was just more concise. And it never really said Johnny had transformed from human to creature. It was always assumed that he had always been a shark. Sir John Sack-and-Sugar 06:14, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Biblical occurance

Super Mario & The Seven Stars? Chew on this! Revelation 1:20 talks about seven stars:

"As for the sacred secret of the seven stars that you saw upon my right hand, and of the seven golden lampstands: The seven stars mean the angles of the seven congregations, and the seven lampstands mean seven congregations."

Kundalini

Interesting... although I'm sure it's more of a coincidence. The seven stars concept has been around before this anyway hasn't it? With star road or something... Tyciol 20:00, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why wasn't this game released in Europe?

Why wasn't this game released in Europe? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.200.34.177 (talk • contribs) .

Probably for the same or similar reason about why Terranigma was never brought to America. -- ReyBrujo 19:33, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
"Because Enix no longer had an American subsidiary, and potentially also due to the impending release of the Nintendo 64, this game was not released in America, but was popular in Europe and Australia (published by Nintendo)." So does that mean that Square didn't have a branch in Europe at the time of Super Mario RPG's release? I think I got confused somewhere. Sir John Sack-and-Sugar 06:17, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars was released in Brazil, too. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Guilherme M. Miranda (talk • contribs) .

[edit] More Debug Stuff

I see that the Debug Room has very little information on it. I think something to add to it would be the Debug Menu under the Debug Room section, or above it, whatever works. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.197.194.117 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Cultural references: a "trick"

"In addition, there are two Easter eggs in the Booster Tower area. One allows the player to control the original Mario as he appeared in Super Mario Bros. for a short time, while the second is a Samus figurine in the toy box of Booster's Room. A similar trick (as revealed in Nintendo Power) is also present in Paper Mario, as well as its sequel, Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door."

  • What trick are we referring to? The first or second easter egg? I propose changing "A similar trick" to "The former/latter easter egg", but I don't know which is correct. --Daev 16:45, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
    • I'm assuming he means the first one, the 'classic Mario' trick, as I don't recall seeing Samus in any of the Paper Mario games, and I DO recall controlling old-school Mario... plus, the cameo isn't really a 'trick', per se, just a little thing included to amuse observant people. So I'm assuming that it was assumed that you'd just assume it was the first one. ;-) 1337 r0XX0r 20:04, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Time for an improvement drive.

Zeality has suggested improving this article. I've already started. We should make a goal to have FA or GA at some point. Sir Crazyswordsman 04:23, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, we badly need to add more references and add more info about gameplay. - Mamyles 01:05, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
If someone can add some storyline that would be great. The story description is very brief and i'd add more myself but i haven't played in years. Still i'll do what i can to help ---Nightengale989 19:41, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
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