Talk:Super Mario Bros. 3

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[edit] Misc

--hiro1112--

Ok, here is a link to a site that talks about the unused Games in SMB3. SOmeone else can write up the info about it on the main page.

http://bmf.rustedmagick.com/cr/supermariobros3.htm


Aside from being a "best selling game title of all time", this subject is not particularly substantial. Is this an encyclopedia for 10 year olds? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shoehorn (talk • contribs) 06:34, 29 October 2002.

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No, it's an encyclopedia for all ages. If this doesn't interest you, go look up stewed prunes or something.
-- Jordan
Well said, Jordan. It's the best selling game of all time and the best game for its time. If any video game deserves mention, it's this, and all video games deserve mention. Go read up on Wikipedia's goal, it's about breadth and depth. Video games interest a lot of people, and they're a piece (albeit small) of human history. Better put up a request for deletion for The Olympic Games while you're at it. Some people. --65.94.204.171 04:00, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC) (Headcase, not logged in)
What he said, though the best-selling game of all time is Super Mario Bros.; SMB3 is the best-selling game-that-was-not-packed-in-with-a-console of all time. ;P --Shadow Hog 04:45, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Kings

It would be nice to add the details of what where the kings turned onto depending on kingdom, normal shape and version (Piranha Plant or Yoshi? Depends who you ask)

Great, someone did put the kigns now... Althought just the original and the All Stars versio nare mentioned... What 'bout the Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3? If any one can fill that then that would be even greater... Thanks to anyone who filled the first part... Althought I thought the king was transformed into a spider in the 2nd level, I gonna check that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.121.144.52 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Dangerous Dave

There should be something about this on this page: [1], I think. 81.70.123.72 16:01, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Okay, I don't know who posted the "true story" crap into the trivia section of the Super Mario Bros. 3 game, but I'm glad it was edited out. I'd report this incident, but I'm not entirely sure that it wasn't someone else using my home computer. I'm going to increase security here at my end, but if it was someone at Wikipedia or anyone other than one of my friends, you can bet I'll report this if and when I find out. Fair warning. --Corvun 18:09, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

It was done using your username, so there is nothing to report. Andre (talk) 20:30, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)

That would be exactly what I'd want to report. If it wasn't done by someone at my end then that means I got hacked. Although now that I think about it, Wikipedia wouldn't really have any possible way to deal with that situation, so never mind.

[edit] Pretty good...

This is a pretty good article on mario. Very nicely written

Wonderful writing about one my favourite games of all time. Its the best selling game of all time and the fad of mario was very large and deserves to be talked about. Mario's poularity back then is ten times more then the big games today like Grand theft auto and halo and such

[edit] Lost Levels in Super Mario Bros. 3

There are some lost levels hidden in this game. Could you find some information about those levels?

I'm pretty sure there is informatuion about what you are talking about over at http://www.classicgaming.com/tmk/ so feel free to add said information to this article yourself.

The lost levels are now in the article along with a link to maps and more information about them.

[edit] Anchor

The page's information about the Anchor is dead wrong, and needs heavy revision. What are these "white airships" that appear when you collect every coin? The mechanaics for the coin ships appearance is not based on collecting every coin!--198.37.25.93 06:17, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Indeed. http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/nes/code/525245.html explains about the white ghost houses much better than we do. All of that stuff should be on this page. Just not in a way the violates the copyrights of the dudes who wrote those hints. --Carl 09:10, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sales figures

In the beginning paragraph it says that SMB 3 has sold about 18 million copies, compared to SMB1's 40 million - these 40 million are worldwide sales according to the Guinness Book of Records site. So one can assume that the 18 million for SMB3 also refers to worldwide sales. However, in the popularity section it says SMB3 has sold 30 million, with 18 million in the US. So what is correct? Does anyone have any sources that specifically mention whether the 18 million are US or worldwide sales? TerokNor 2 July 2005 15:13 (UTC)

Worldwide. -- A Link to the Past July 7, 2005 23:06 (UTC)

That seems correct, my research also indicates this. I wonder where the 30 million figure comes from? I will change it in the article. TerokNor 8 July 2005 13:32 (UTC)

[edit] Release date

(copied from User_talk:TerokNor) Development did not begin on Super Mario Bros. 3 until 1988. It was not completed until December 1989 and not released for the first time until February 12, 1990. It was not in development in 1986 or 1987. The information added by whatever user who posted it did not make it up; I'm sure of that. The information you added might have been made up over the Internet. Marcus2 20:54, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, but do you have any source for that? The Japanese are very thorough in cataloging their release dates and everywhere on the Internet you can see the Japanese date of October 1988. Don't you think someone would have corrected this if this was wrong? Also, I have a print magazine from 1989 that says SMB3 was "recently" released in Japan. This was definitely before December 1989 and certainly not made up over the Internet. Also check out this Newsgroup posting from someone who played the Japanese version in June 1989 or earlier: [2] BTW, no one says that the game was in development in 1986 or 1987. It could very much have begun development in early 1988 and then be released in October. Also, why should the game be delayed for 2 months after it was finished? That doesn't make any sense. Unless you think Nintendo, a Japanese company, would delay the game for a big commercial (The Wizard) that would only be seen in the USA, anyway. The game could appear in that movie because it had been out in Japan for a year! If you don't have any sources for your statements (other than "I'm sure of that"), I will change this back. TerokNor 21:49, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
See Nintendo's Webpage.[3]202.61.30.203 20:50, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
I'm Japanese, I played this game in 1988. The release date (1988) is printed on the rom which I still have now. In 1988-1990, Shigeru Miyamoto and his team was already developing Super Mario World(Super Mario Bros.4). 202.61.30.203 05:10, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

To TerokNor: "Unless you think Nintendo, a Japanese company, would delay the game for a big commercial (The Wizard) that would only be seen in the USA, anyway. The game could appear in that movie because it had been out in Japan for a year!" What does this statement mean? And, to 202.61.30.203: I don't believe that you played Super Mario Bros. 3 precisely in 1988. And I repeat, I don't believe Super Mario 3 was developed in 1986 or 1987. And you shouldn't refer to Super Mario World as Super Mario Bros. 4 because there has already been a pirate Super Mario 4 and a PC game called Super Mario Bros. 4. And, to both of you: Why do you think that someone would make something up like that. And, have you ever heard the expression, believe half of what you see and none of what you hear?! Marcus2 15:02, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Hey, would you please stop changing what others have wrote? I put the SMB4 mention back. BTW, it was the official title in Japan (it's on the box). Next: I repeat, no one says that SMB3 was in development in 1986/1987. Next: Why would someone make something like this up? I can see where your argumentation is coming from: SMB3 has a 1988 copyright in-game - so apparently you think that's when development begun. Then, it appears in December 1989 in the movie The Wizard. So apparently that's when it was finished. Then, it is released in February 1990 in the US - so apparently is was held back until February. But the evidence (i.e. the link 202.61.30.203 posted) doesn't support this theory. Do you really want to doubt the home page of Nintendo, the creators of the game? It says there that SMB3 was released on 23 October 1988 in Japan. End of discussion. TerokNor 15:38, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
I can confirm the SMB4 thing - I've seen scans. It's definitely on there. Lemme whip up an image for ya...
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/superfamicom/mario4box.JPG
It's a bit blurry, but you can make out "Super Mario Bros. 4" there. --Shadow Hog 17:49, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
Marcus, if I'm to believe half of what I see and none of what I hear, then I'll believe none of what I hear from you. You've provided no sources to back up your claim, they have. You can say "No, this is true, they're actually lying!" all you want, but we thrive on facts, not the opinion of a person who enjoys shoving it down everyone's throat (like the BS where you claimed Baby Mario was not Mario, when it was painfully obvious). Stop editing it. They provided sources showing it to be true, and so removing it is vandalism. -- A Link to the Past 20:14, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Super_Mario_World_Japan_cover.jpg210.0.200.2 13:42, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Lost Levels Screenshots

Can somebody include screenshots (or a screenshot gallery) for the lost levels of Super Mario Bros. 3 on the article for the Super Mario Bros. 3 video game?

[edit] simultaneous play

Why does the article say that there is no simultaneous play? I remember spending lots of time in the head-to-head mini levels. Did I have a special edition or something? -Arctic.gnome 18:42, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

It mentions in the article that the game is a multiplayer play game. The refrence may refer to playing the actual game levels(although this is very unlikely due to the cost of animating it) not the one head-2-head level. i cant remeber 100% and it not worth watching the movie beethoven again so unless its proven ima deleting it. --Whywhywhy 15:05, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] other lost game elements

There should also be a mention of missing bonus games in this game. I can't find the source, but I guess there was gonna be another card game and the other I can't remember. I remember seeing a lost sprite of a hammer brother to be used in a bonus level screen.Buzda 08:37, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Super Monk Bros?

This piece isn't really relevant or noteworthy. There is a dearth of mods and rom hacks for SMB3 out there, and although I haven't played the aforementioned mod, I doubt much of anything about it warrants its inclusion in this article. I'm deleting it.Trotskylite

[edit] SMB 3 a pack-in game

The assertion that Super Mario Bros. 3 is the best selling non-pack-in game is incorrect. In the early '90s Nintendo packaged it with the control deck and 2 controllers and called it the "Challenge Set". This inaccuracy is widely published on other websites, and I for one would be interested in finding concrete sales figues somewhere for all games. Hunter103 15:12, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

You are right, it was. Fixed the article. Komdori 18:54, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Outdated Speed Run?

Does anyone have any thoughts on the speed run on the page? The one currently linked to seems to be a 'legit' speed run; there are faster runs available[4], but that one is tool-assisted. Which one should we link to? Should both be posted, stating that one is tool-assisted and the other is not? The chuck 17:12, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Speedrun

The speedrun linked to at the bottom of the page has been confirmed to be tool-assisted, so the link should be marked as such. I assume the person who posted it on Youtube found it somewhere else on the internet (it's circulated around a lot) and didn't realize it was tool-assisted.

Tool-assisted speedruns exist for a variety of games. However, in most cases they are made by people with the intent of entertainment, not hoodwinking the masses; in fact, most TASes you can find explicitly state, "This is a tool-assisted speedrun" somewhere at the beginning of the video. Unfortunately this one did not, and there are clearly people who still believe it to be honest. You can find more information at Tasvideos' "Using Emulator Tools" page.

A lot of people have used the word "fake" to describe this video, but this is a bad word choice. It is not fake in any way, it was simply made by using tools to remove the factor of human limitation to create a near-perfect and highly entertaining video.

Oh, and this is the source I found that says it is tool-assisted.

--Curtmack 19:23, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] can you

can you download super mario 3 bros. for computer?? if not why??? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.228.159.241 (talk • contribs) .

Because Nintendo is against piracy, including downloading ROMs of games to be played with emulators. -- ReyBrujo 03:22, 24 June 2006 (UTC)


But on the contrary, if you emulate the game onto your computer using an emulator, then that ROM is legal since you own that game, as long as you don't distribute it throughout the Internet or anywhere else. That would be illegal. --Plainnym 18:03, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

There IS a website called consoleclassix.com where you can download it legally for a smalll fee.... --Plainnym 13:54, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Nintendo disagrees with the "legal" status of that, though they haven't followed up on it. Are we considering adding this information to the page? Or is it just random thoughts? Komdori 21:12, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mario All-Stars Screenshots

The second half of this article seems to rely entire on screenshots from the SNES remake of SMB3 as opposed to the original classic. Why is this? The game's legacy and impact are entirely dependent on the NES version and that is the version whose screenshots we should be using. All-Stars was a travesty and use of its screenshots should be reserved for a wiki on that game. 24.147.174.105 19:29, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Australian release date incorrect

On the side panel, it lists the Australian release date as January 1992. I know this to be incorrect, because in 1991 I rented this game from our local video store. I could not be mistaken, because we left the country in December 1991. Since I do not know the actual release date, I am removing it altogether until someone can add the correct date. (I believe the date is probably about the same as Europe, though).Davez621 09:45, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] References to the game in game?

There have been many references to how important the game was to it's designers. The secret room in World 1-1 has coins arranged in a 3. There is a roman numeral 3 in the fire bro place in World 2. The king in world 3 looks a lot like Mario. Know of any others? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Frankyboy5 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Not true

From the article:

The first ship encountered at the beginning of World 8 has a small difference at the very end. In the Japanese version, if Mario drops into the mud and manages to do a trick to swim all the way to the right of the final pipe, he will not be able to get back up because the wall is a single block too high. A block was removed from the U.S. version, at the very top of the right wall. Thus, even if Mario falls into the mud, he will be able to get back up and continue on. This change was not done for the versions featured in Super Mario All-Stars or Super Mario Advance 4; however, in the Advance version, Mario and Luigi share their Super Mario Bros. 2 differences, so if the player enters Mario and Luigi mode, Luigi can jump the ship's end.

I swam through all the level in the GBA version with Mario and went to the end safely. I'm reverting it. It may be easier with Luigi because I had to swim a bit(equivalent to running and jumping) to get onto it.Frankyboy5 03:28, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hope I did right...

An IP address has tried to insert some asterisks at the end in the "see also" section twice. The first time it was reverted by a bot, and I reverted it this second time. I hope I did the right thing. If I didn't, let me know on my talk page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Candidhq (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Removed "Graphics" section

I removed this stuff:

Although technology was primitive at the time, the developers were able to implement some 3D effects into the game. Various sprite rotation effects were made such as Mario moving his head from side to side when he is walking and Bowser turning around. There is also some parallax scrolling in the airship levels and when Mario falls out of the sky with a wand after beating a world.

There are no "3D Effects" at all. What someone referred to "moving his head from side to side" is nothing more than hand-made animation, not a generated 3D effect. The airship levels also contain no paralax scrolling. Having a couple cloud sprites moving around at a slower speed than the screen scrolls is nowhere near paralax scrolling, it's moving sprites around. I will count Gemini Man's stage from Mega Man 3 which also moves sprites around as paralax scrolling though, since the sprites are evenly distributed throughout the screen, and give a closer effect. --Dwedit 02:00, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah but they are trying to simulate parallax scrolling. But although it's not, it's still like it. It still gives a feel of 3D though. The rotation creates 3D effects too. I meant to say pseudo-3d effects. Frankyboy5 07:06, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Missing Items

I've seen the Item section and there are some items missing. Boomerang and Feather. Somebody add them please.

I don't think either of those are items in SMB3. The feather is from Super Mario World, and I have no idea what the boomerang is from. Andre (talk) 16:08, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

In Super Mario Advance 4 (the GBA port of this game), you can use E-reader cards for those two power-up items. Of course this information wouldn't belong in this article because this article is on the NES version (& we have an article for the GBA version). SNS 17:34, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Whistles?

Just wondering if anyone is going to write about the the secret whistles that are found in the game. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.136.179.82 (talk • contribs).


I cant understand the section on whistles that well, so I havnt done any editing (Because it may already be saying what I am going to say: In the first world there are 2 whistles (not 1) and more through the game. User:cs1kh

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