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[edit] StarWars Insider Comments?

Does anyone subscribe to SWI? Because apparently the magazine mentioned SuperShadow in a recent issue (SWI issue 90), and denounces him.

Does anyone have the issue, a scan or a quote? That could be a great thing to put on the page!


[edit] Mo Money, Mo Money, Mo Money

Now in addition to asking for donations through paypal, he's opened an "online shop" where you can buy t-shirts, caps, wall clocks and other trinkets with the "SuperShadow"/"SuperShadow owns George Lucas" logo on them.

  • Hmm, and now the shop and the donation button appear to be gone. Did he get enough money from gullible fans yet? (June 20)
  • The "shop" still exists at [1] though the merchandise has been cut down. Either he decided he couldn't sell it all, or he has sold his stock of certain items (only the clothing, mugs, greeting cards and mousepads remain, and the black ball cap).
  • I see he now has put up a notice that the people who SENT HIM A "GIFT" got George Lucas's "real email address" but now due to the demand it has been "sold out." What a joke!

[edit] User survey

"Somehow" he got 154,000+ people to "vote" in a poll that never appeared on the site, attributing it to LucasFilm. Great job! [[2]]

[edit] Secrets section

At first I thought he put up a new link [[3]] in an effort to cash in on the Da Vinci Code craze, but it seems like a random section of links that don't fit elsewhere. That "Illuminati" logo though looks suspiciously like one of the logos from the author who did the cover art to Dan Brown's "Angels & Demons" novel. So not only is he asking for money now (his shilling "Donate" paypal button) he's expanding! I'm surprised he didn't try to play up his "angle" as a conspiracy theory filmmaker (lol) in concert with this...

I see that he plagiarized at least one of the Lord of the Rings sections from "Gradesaver" (I don't know much about the site.. is it like Cliffs Notes?) [[4]] and [[5]] compare to [[6]]. I imagine the other sites are similarly taken. The guy has a talent for posting other people's info unattributed! Almost equal to his ability to make things up, and no matter how silly, have people believe they are real... but this time he got lazy.

[edit] New Girlfriend!

His fetish for Leia's Metal Bikini never fails. All but two of the new photos have been identified as taken from other sites.

Well, it's nice to know he got back together with his old flame, the red headed lingerie model, however I wonder if she knows he's two-timer her with the Leia costuming fans? ;)

  • As of today (June 26) he removed the pictures, now the Girlfriend page just says "SuperShadow's Girlfriend" (singular) and nothing else (just links back to the regular site). HA!

[edit] So...is it real or is it not?

Can we/will we/do we know (as in KNOW) if SS is who he says he is? Is GL really answering the questions in the forum? What do we know? Please post any response. That angelfire.whatever site doesn't prove squat, supershadow.com doesnt prove squat, does anyone know? --Bourgeoisdude 00:09, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Obviously not. --maru (talk) contribs 03:00, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Regardless of what we think, "Supershadow" is quite intelligent, and probably the most remarkable fake I've ever seen. I have ADD, I can see someone with no social life doing something like this. Often times ADD people seem to be able to focus BETTER than others on a very specific subject. This guy could possibly be doing this on Supershadow.com. The only thing that boggles my mind is the "George Lucas" commentaries. They sound like him. He may contradict himself because he is not edited by SS, then again SS may have written this. Question is, how can SS have time, money, and so much knowledge of Star Wars, to maintain this site? This guy is either who he claims to be, or probably one of the most remarkable fakes in history. He has fooled hundreds of thousands accross the globe. Why waste such a genius mind on this? These are the only things that make me wonder if it is real... 70.255.8.103 14:21, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
No, SS is surely NOT real. Weirdy 07:34, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Methinks the anon doth protest too much. One of the most remarkable fakes in history? Fooled hundreds of thousands? Riiight. --maru (talk) contribs 19:42, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Its not real, but the above guy does make a good point, he is a remarkable fraud. But we are able to see through his lies with bits of info that are wrong due to HIS mistakes. (The Haunted Angel 15:09, 5 May 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Mickey Suttle and ADD

ADD was apparanty the reason his father gave for him not being able to appear in court. It is not the said reason as to why he does this. He does it purely for attention, not because of a mental disorder. --Bac


[edit] Use It

I am the author, I am not the best writer in the world... and its kinda hard to write anything that is "non-bias" when the guy is a fake. Mickey has ADD, a mental illness and it causes him to do stupid things like this. Lucas wont comment because he doesn’t want the press to think he is picking on the "weak minded". Mickey's father, Earl Suttle, is a lawyer in North Carolina... he may also be one of the reasons why Lucas doesn’t act against Mickey.

"EDIT 2: He (Jetzt) also posted SS and his family's personal info, address, phone number and social security number"

Although I told one of my mates, who is a "g00n", about SS.com, it was their decision to hack him. At no point did I tell them or advise them to hack Supershadow.com. And for the record, I did not post those details, but they were posted on g00ns.com... I do not control g00ns.com.

I do not hold the copyright to this work, please use it freely. I don’t care as long as it helps to shut him down. Please feel free to alter the wording, etc, and make it better. Anyway, if you want proof that this is the real author, just email me and I’ll get back to you: stevenalldis@hotmail.com --Steven Alldis

Mickey has ADD? His father's a lawyer? Is that a joke? I don't believe SuperShadow, but I must say that all the of the explanations that people come up with for why the good ol' cease-and-desist letter hasn't yet found it's way to Mickey's door are really pathetic. ADD is not the kind of disorder that's going illicit much sympathy--when I was a kid we called ADD "being a kid." No court of law would consider ADD an excuse for committing libel. He is putting, often unflattering, words into the mouth of George Lucas--take special note of how Micky portrayed Lucas' reaction to hurricane Katrina. And Mickey's dad's a lawyer? Who cares. One lawyer with a hyperactive son doesn't stand a chance against the legal might of Lucasfilm Ltd.

So we've got two scenarios. It may be one or the other, or a little of both.

(A) It doesn't matter. People high enough up in the company to do anything about it are payed far too much to care. It's just another crazy Star Wars fan site. Even the best of fan sites are pretty sad when you get down to the meat of it--"fan" is short for fanatic, after all. The people who go nuts with the SHUT HIM DOWN stuff, are just as crazy in their own way. They act like this is a life or death issue. If they could focus some of that righteous indignation energy toward some of the real injustices of the world, we'd all be better off. Mickey Suttle is nobody. His website is nothing. Lucasfilm knows this and acts accordingly.

(B) Lucasfilm benefits from SuperShadow.com. Liar though he may be, he's certainly not costing Lucasfilm any money. He promotes the films without reimbursement. He operates a successful Star Wars fan site. He encourages multiple viewings of the films while in theater, and is rabidly against the illegal copying of all Star Wars media. To shut SuperShadow down would cost money. Why bother when he's doing the work of the marketing department for free? --Eljeffe 09:55, 23 November 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Copyright Vio., Poorly written

First off, the SuperShadow article is extremely poorly written, extremely biased, and not very informative. How is it biased? The article focuses too much of the content seguing off on tangents all about the subject's supposed forgery and lies. Even if it is blatantly obvious that the subject is a lying weasel, it has not been proven by legal means or any public statement on the behalf of George Lucas, and there is way too much negative speculation which makes this article appear very unprofessional. It just plain well is not informative. I suppose this article could honestly condense all the speculation and criticism into one section, but instead capitalizes on it and makes it the focus of the article. When one reads this article, there isn't very much actual information to gain about the subject because of the simple fact that the article does not focus that much on the subject, but rather on the aforementioned speculation and theories. Finally, the grammar in this article is terrible as well as the spelling, puncuation, etc. etc. It appears as if the entire thing was written in a moment of angry passion against the subject, and no heed was given to the fact that the thing isn't even smooth writing. This is not a forum.

That's just clean up though; the article also seemingly violates a Copyright. Much of the subject matter is taken directly from a link of the bottom of the page. If you are the author of the webpage, identify yourself, otherwise the material will have to be taken off of this page. --Klestrob44 02:35, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

How about we add a 'Sources' section, like I did on the Star Wars Wiki SuperShadow article? --Lord Patrick 03:46, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
First of all, it doesn't smell like a copyvio (the "original" article even keeps all these wikimarkup ='s for titles), and secondly, this is the reply I received from the site owner.

From: Steven Alldis [7]
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 7:00 AM
To: sikon@gorodok.net
Subject: RE: "About the REAL SuperShadow"
I dont care if they use it... they have a link back to my site and if it will help to stop the guy, I dont mind.
>From: "S" <sikon@gorodok.net>
>To: <stevenalldis@hotmail.com>
>Subject: "About the REAL SuperShadow"
>Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 10:55:14 +0700
>
>I noticed that some portions of your article were copied to Wikipedia,
>seemingly without permission. What are copyright terms for that
>article? Is it GFDL-compatible?
>
>S

I've removed the copyvio as per this permission. --Themindset 19:29, 12 August 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Bias

I have looked through the article and I agree that even though my opinions are that supershadow is a complete fake, it is very biased. I will edit the article and seperate it into a section that is about the allegations of fraud, because it seems the entire article is devoted to him being a fraud, and yet even though it seems evident, it is not a proven fact. Anyone can go ahead and decide to change my edits, but its time somone fixed this article to bring it to Wikipedia standards.

I think this page is valid in existing until after Episode 3 is released, and it can be confirmed by Lucasarts that there is no further intention to continue the Star Wars series.

"Was there any time that supershadow was right?"

He's been right in the sense that he collects 2nd hand info and posts it - so, for instance, the pictures of General Grievous he posted were authentic, but only because he took them from the front cover of a book. The information he posts that doesn't have its origins elswhere has always turned out to be completely wrong.

Oh, come on, even if this guy is really a fraud (and I think he is), this article needs to be NPOV by Wikipedia's standards. Can anyone re-write this?
This page is a waste on wikipedia, its copy pasted from somewhere else. Can we please remove it?


[edit] Can anyone figure this out?

What's with the secret area on one of his sister sites, [darthrage.com/starwars darthrage.com/starwars]?

It's probably a leftover from the 'premium area' he used to have on his site. --Lord Patrick 02:37, 13 August 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Hmm...

It used to not be copy/pasted from "The Real Supershadow" site, but someone obviously screwed that up.

The author of "About the REAL SuperShadow" was the one who copied and pasted it into Wikipedia. --Jedimasterbac


[edit] Votes for deletion

This page was recently nominated for deletion, and the consensus decision was to keep it. The deletion debate is archived here. --ugen64 23:20, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • It should have been deleted. Why we even have an article for a fat nerd who makes bogus claims on the internet is beyond me. "Welcome to the internet, where anyone can be famous!" --JOK3R 17:18, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree

[edit] Personal Experience

I'm not sure that deletiing the post is all that prudent - consider that this guy has become somewhat of an internet "pop culture" icon, at least in some circles. It makes sense to cover it here.

Yes Supershadow has been right - regardless of where he gets it, most of his summaries and plots and descriptions end up being accurate. I tested his earliest descriptions of Episode 2 against the real movies - for all intents and purposes, he was dead on.

I'm not speaking to the reality of who he is or who he is not here, but consider the following:

  • He runs a large website with lots and lots of visitors
  • He uses copyrighted materials and specific names in all his descriptions and interviews
  • There are NO ads or banners or even places to donate money on the site

All that points to someone with time (to create and maintain) and money (to continue to run the page with its bandwidth requirements) and the ability to use copyrighted materials and make claims using real people without getting in trouble....

RE: Personal Experience
Actually, there are. He used to have a pay only 'Premium Area' on his site, consisting mostly of stolen Hyperspace content, but shut it down May 2004, after being threatened with legal action by a Star Wars RPG forumer pretending to be a Lucasfilm attorney. On May 14 2004 the following message appeared:
'All Apologies: I wish to extend my heart felt apologies to George Lucas, his family and all of Lucasfilm for any comments I have posted that may be misunderstood. Everything I post on this site is just for fun and I don't mean to offend anyone by it. Things have gotten out of control when my words hurt somebody's feelings or upset someone. From now on, I will try to never mention Lucas again on SS.com.'
Somehow, the secret was leaked, and he continued to post nonsense about him being connected to Lucas and so on. Suttle has recently deleted it from his archives, so it is reproduced here.
You also talk of his scripts being 'accurate'. I am assuming you mean the rough drafts, which are NOTHING like the finished films. All three of them were 'released' by SS over a year before Lucas himself had finished writing the script. If you mean his full scripts, they ARE accurate, but stolen from somewhere else. You mentioned that it doesn't matter. Well, if he credited those who got them first, it doesn't matter. But stealing from another website (most notably from Milleniumfalcon.com and theforce.net) and claiming that he got them from Lucas, does matter.
In conclusion, you are entitled to your opinion, but the evidence points to him being a fraud --Lord Patrick 04:12, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
Just to point out, the concept of midichlorians wasn't invented by SS; it appears in the Phantom Menace for a moment, when Qui Gon tests Anakin's count and Obi Wan says Anakin's count is 'off the chart' and 'higher than Master Yoda's'.
This actually doesn't prove anything by itself, since SS claims he gave Lucas the idea for the midi-clorians for use in TPM. I think most Star Wars fans are already (in most cases painfully) aware of the existence of the concept in TPM...


[edit] Neutrality

This article appears to contain a disgust for Mickey Suttle, which, though valid, does not belong in an entry. I think it needs to be cleaned up. --Citizen Premier 01:58, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

REPLY: Your account of Supershadow.com is hopelessly biased, you have absolutely no proof --"anonymous Star wars fan"
I agree, whether they've voted to keep it or not, this article must be cleaned up. I'm adding a clean up tag, I've corrected one grammar mistake, but there are literally dozens... and it's incredibly POV, with section titles like "delusions of grandeur". --Themindset 06:34, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Hacked

As most of us know, supershadow.com was hacked on May 25th. My question is, were any members of the Star Wars RP board involved? (Not meant to be slander, just very near the date it was hacked there was a topic on the Supershadow board of that site mentioning the 'g00ns' site, and it seemed to suggest hacking.)

EDIT: Seems that someone WAS involved.
Quoted from the hacked supershadow.com page:
'And Jetzt for bringing this retarded site and Mr. SuperShadow to our attention.'
I feel no grief at the possible death of this website, but hacking is illegal nonetheless
EDIT 2: He (Jetzt) also posted SS and his family's personal info, address, phone number and social security number. --Lord Patrick 05:56, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
Agree, I do -"Yoda D'kana, Last of the Jedi", --Anonymous user
Aaagh! *Fires force lightning at SS cruft* --Lord Patrick 02:41, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
Members of the Star Wars RP were not involved in the hacking of SuperShadow.com, specifically myself and Jetzt. Jetzt told the g00n Squad about SuperShadow, but they were the ones who went and hacked the website. --Jedimasterbac


[edit] I vote to keep the page the way it is.

It'd be different if the things on this page weren't true, but they are. If you do up a page about Osama Bin Laden do you not mention all the horrible things he's done/masterminded? I don't equate this guy to Osama but he is definatly the Osama Bin Laden of the Star Wars world. I wouldn't be suprised if he was the guy that put in to have this page deleted.


[edit] This article is valid

Perhaps you would be right about this article being slightly biased several months ago, SOME of the plot lines he indicates are true, but usually they are nothing more than wild speculation. and has never displayed any physical proof of being a former ILM person, Personally I would like to see him show a pay stub or a tax return with the ILM, or LucasFilm LTD. name on it before making that call. It is true that the guy lives in North Carolina, he still uses a yahoo e-mail account as his contact e-mail?

His most recent posts on the website have directly quoted George Lucas on things we know he would not have said as it directly contradicts what George Lucas has spoken in REAL interviews with WIRED magazine, and TIME.

Keep the article, it is valuable to help naive fans realize that this site is 100% fake.


[edit] The Second link

That second link,ya know, the FAQ, is owned by Mickey. It's a link off of Supershadow.com. --141.151.247.98FluteDude1693


[edit] Article Tweak

I think we can all agree that having an unbiased analysis of the bizarre online phenomenon that is Supershadow's website contributes value to the encyclopedia. I refined the article slightly to improve the style and to slightly tone down the most outwardly biased bits of content. I think deleting this article would definitely be a mistake, and I feel that there is considerable evidence to support some of the anti-Supershadow claims made in the article, but at present, unfortunately, this article just doesn't read like a professional encyclopedia article. More editing is needed so that a truely objective article analyzing this individual is availible.


[edit] "NEWS FLASH: George Lucas donates $10 dollars. Yes, a WHOPPING TEN DOLLARS!"

On the Lucas Q&A, look how ridiculous this is:

"Mr. Lucas, I currently attend school in Louisiana and was wondering; will Lucasfilm be making contributions to the victims of the hurricane?

George Lucas: I wrote out a check for $ 10 dollars just the other day. If more money is needed, I will donate another $ 10 dollars. I do everything possible to help those in need. We should pray for our friends in the Deep South. May the Force be with them. "

If I were George Lucas, I would've added 6 more digits to that check! Maybe 7, but no less than 5.

That's a glaring sign of a glaring lie! Even if SS had it so "Lucas" said that he donated anywhere between 1 million and 100 million dollars, that would be a lie yet again because a donation that huge would've been shown on the news.

--Shultz 06:19, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

SuperShadow makes those kind of remarks just to see how far he can go in fooling the gullible fans that visit his site. He really thinks this is funny. The Wookieepedian 02:01, 13 September 2005 (UTC)


Another amusing one on the Lucas Q&A today October 4,2006:

Is there any way I can send messages to the cast of the prequels like I'm doing here now to you? I'd very much like to "speak" with Hayden, Ewan and Natalie. And it'd be sweet if I could with Ian and Samuel L., too.

George Lucas: Lucasfilm doesn't have contact information for the actors appearing in the Star Wars films. That would be too expensive. You need to contact the agents and publicity managers of each actor. I'm sure they would all love to hear from the fans.

[edit] supershadow perks for working for Lucas

I found this hilarious!

"Perks and Benefits associated with SuperShadow's Employment with Lucasfilm"
"George Lucas has hired SuperShadow as a high-paid consultant regarding future projects of Star Wars and Indiana Jones. SS will be involved in writing the scripts and help creating the films all the way through the film making process. The employment contract is ten years in duration with an option by Lucasfilm to extend the employment contract another ten years if so needed. "
"Monthly Salary: $ 43,577 per month; Annual Total: $ 522,924"
"Automobile Provided by Lucasfilm: 2006 Lincoln Navigator (Valued at $ 54,380) "
"Vacation Time: 8 weeks paid vacation "
"Housing Arrangement: Lucasfilm rents a home for SuperShadow at $ 1,200 per month. All utilities, power and water bills to be paid by Lucasfilm."
"Health Insurance: Full Coverage With All Expenses Paid By Lucasfilm "
"Food Vouchers: Unlimited access to all Lucasfilm restaurants at no charge. All meals are paid for by Lucasfilm. "
"Secretarial Support: Lucasfilm is to provide one secretary and one personal assistant for SuperShadow. "
"Yacht and Corporate Jet Access: Free use of the Yacht and Jet owned by Lucasfilm when the Yacht and Jet are not being used for official business. "
"Gym Privileges: Lucasfilm will pay all gym dues for the workout facility of SuperShadow's choosing."


[edit] He now controls the TV shows.

Yes, sadly the freak now claims that he has been given complete control over the two upcoming TV shows by Lucas, and tells his, um, fans, to "expect greatness." I think he's went too far this time. Looks like those guys who hacked his page in May need to take a trip over to supershadow.com again! This guy is a nut! Anyway, I added this info on the article. And that's all I put. No POV. By just looking at that anyone will laugh out loud in disgust and pity! The Wookieepedian 11:21, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Careful what you say...you *could* get in deep %$@#! for suggesting that someone should attack a (currently) legal webpage. Hacking his site only shows desparation, shows he is so smart the only way to outsmart him is to bring down the site. That's unwise, and as the site has gone down many times before and reopened I seriously doubt it will do any "good" (or bad depending on your POV). 70.255.8.103 14:31, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pic

I noticed that Wookiepedia's Supershadow article is their FA on the Main Page. It has a purported pic of SS. Should we include it in our article? --Maru (talk) 03:48, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Is there some verification that this is really him? Nufy8 03:55, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
Yes, it is. It came from a friend of his. The Wookieepedian 04:01, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
Right, Ok, but what we need is verification. How do we know that this is from a friend of his? Where did you get that information from? Nufy8 04:02, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
Well, I don't know. The picture comes up on multiple sites when typing in his real name: Mickey Suttle into google. The Wookieepedian 04:13, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
Entering "Mickey Suttle" into Google Image Search returns the photo from SW Wiki and a smaller scale version from someone's personal website that I can't seem to find context to. Regular search doesn't turn up much either, from what I've seen. So, unless something more concrete can be provided, and if you really find it necessary to include the pic in the article, I highly advise describing it as a "purported picture of Mickey Suttle" or something similar. Nufy8 04:41, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
OK. --The Wookieepedian 05:20, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
The picture came from the website of the company Mickey Suttle works at. The company is called Geppetto Kitchens and is located in Forest City, North Carolina. Though, it appears that Mickey Suttle no longer works there as his name has been taken off of the Staff List. The picture was found quite some time ago. --Jedimasterbac 04:42 EST, 27 November 2005


[edit] Please, SS. Stay down. STAY down!

On 11-11-2005, at around 3:45 AM, here's what I saw when I went to Supershadow.com:

There is no website configured at this address.

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Therefore, I hope it stays down once and for all. Let him be not like Palpatine anymore. Whereas Palpatine transferred his essence to clones and lived again, SS's site would restore soon after it goes down or gets attacked. It really ought to stay down this time.

As for Mick himself, he ought to realize the error of his ways, get Jesus into his heart (yes, please. Even though you might not like that comment.), and maybe mission in Africa, Japan, North Korea, or work in some field where he's honest.

It's 3:53 AM and sometimes, I may be more direct in what I say if I need sleep. That might explain why you might've thought my message was weird. --Shultz 09:54, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

I saw this as well. And I believe fans everywhere are happy. But knowing Suttle, he'll have the site back up soon with more of his blatant lies. Hopefully, the reason the site is off was becuase someone hacked it again. We shall se. Anyway, he is well aware of this page about him. I copied and pasted it into an email I sent him. For a few weeks there, every day I would get on the net, then onto his site, and send him a nice big "**** YOU" on his moronic "Send your questions to George Lucas" page. The Wookieepedian 10:27, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
I hate to disapoint you guys, but as of 03:42, 12 November 2005 (UTC), supershadow.com is up for me. --Maru (talk) Contribs 03:42, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
Oh well. One day, I say one day, he will go down! --The Wookieepedian 03:57, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
I don't know what would be worse--Supershadow impersonating GL or your constant character-bashing. SS may be a sociopathic liar, but he is borderline genius. This man could have been a great Philosopher or even a great scientist, his mind is far from moronic. He has brought you down to calling him things he is not. He is getting the last laugh. The fact that you are calling him such things shows he has bested you. You cannot get him off the internet, so you attack his character without justification. He will lose in the end. Episodes 7-9 will come before/after when he claims, or not at all. Patience. 70.255.8.103 14:40, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Hahaha. Then why isn't he a philospher or scientist? It seems he only has that website to make himself look better than George Lucas. He's the one trying to attack someone's character. 141.151.3.56 00:19, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Answer SS-related questions on Answerbag

Many rely on Answerbag for, well of course, answers. More SW fans need to know the truth behind SS. There are SS-related questions that need answering and debunking of already-posted answers. Please answer the following with the truth:

"Who is Supershadow of supershadow.com?" (misconception needs debunking)

"Are there any independent sources that verify the claims SuperShadow makes on www.supershadow.com? Namely, that he is a high-paid Lucasfilm consultant and personal friend of George Lucas?"

"If scripts 7, 8, and 9 are already written and George Lucas wants to do other films than Star Wars, can't they get some other talented producer/director to make them in the same mood and style as the first six?" (An SS-related answer also needs debunking)

"Where can I find the books that tell the story of Episodes 7-9?' (Another SS-related answer, needing to be debunked.)

Answering requires creating an account first, but it is well worth the effort of letting fellow AB users know the truth behind Supershadow.

If you have anything to say about it, reply to my User Talk page. --Shultz 16:05, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] SuperShadow and George Lucas' supposed view of Abraham Lincoln

In a recent (mid-January 2006) supposed interview with George Lucas on supershadow.com, "Lucas" made this comment:

"Well, I did borrow from American history when I created Star Wars. Sidious is like the Butcher of Illinois (Abraham Lincoln). They both were mean-spirited people who caused the death of millions of people. Both of these men were willing to shed innocent blood in order to force people to stay in their form of government. This is really inhumane. If somebody wants to leave your government, then they should be allowed to do so. The Communists didn’t shed blood when the Soviet Union collapsed. Lincoln and Sidious are both burning in **** for all eternity."

I wonder how that will strain Lucas' friendship with S. Spielberg, who is making a biopic of Lincoln with Liam Neeson? --Giffmex 18:36, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

None. Most now know the truth about that SOB who calls himself SuperShadow, and that those "interviews" are pure shit created by a sad, lonely Star Wars fan. --The Wookieepedian 19:37, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
W, I think that last line by Giffmex was meant to be humorous... --maru (talk) Contribs 20:47, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
What a bunch of bs.
Giffmex here. Yes, I was trying to be sarcastic. I know Supershadow is a fake. Note that he is from the South, hence his negative view of Lincoln, whereas Lucas, given his friendship with Spielberg, would have enough sense to refrain from saying stuff like that in print. What I want to know is, how harmful and nasty will his comments get before Lucas comes out and speaks out against him? I submitted my question about Spielberg and Lucas to Supershadow to see if he will take the bait and dig himself in deeper. But so far not yet... Giffmex 05:03, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
I doubt Lucas would even bother with the likes of SuperShadow. The Wookieepedian 16:44, 22 January 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Are there other examples?

supershadow.com is a great educational tool for young people to take the internet with grains of salt. I'd liked to know if there are more websites of this type and perhaps place this article as an internet meme.--132.205.14.131 15:25, 25 January 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Myspace

Is this really his profile? I'm not on either side of the story, but let me say something here...

Proof: He tends to be online practically EVERY time the site is about to be updated. He has the same personality (pretty much), and his name results ARE under "Mickey Suttle".

Against the claim: Here it says that his age is 27. Residential results in Hickory, North Carolina, say that he's 37. All of his pictures have already been seen on the internet, and none new. Not only that, but they're all in EXACTLY the same style. Plus, SS has never made claims about having a myspace profile. Also, this guy reveals TOO much about himself and then claims to be for real.

Overall, what do you think? ShinGaruda 02:12, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

No, this is not Mickey Suttle's Myspace profile. He has posted three different pictures of three different people. He also reveals a lot of information about "himself" in this article, even though "all information regarding SuperShadow is above top secret (classified at the highest level). Mysteriously and very enigmatically, nothing is known about SuperShadow except that SS is very close, personal friends with George Lucas, the creator of Star Wars." Obviously, whoever made it is in amature when it comes to faking MySpace profiles. Jedimasterbac 07:25, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Okay, just making sure. So now that we've got one thing cleared up, I guess we have new stuff to talk about or something. ShinGaruda 00:45, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

As of February 26th, 2006, his account on myspace has been deleted. ShinGaruda 19:47, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New picture!

A new picture of Mickey Suttle, and it's PERFECTLY identical to the classic picture (not the fake picture), excluding the goatee. I've got the link right here. http://xs62.xs.to/pics/06014/00.jpg --ShinGaruda 02:08, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

---SUPER BREAKING NEWS---

Someone sent me a message via MySpace. He goes by the name of Darth James.

"I know Mick personally, although lately he's been going by the name Michael Suttle, probably because everybody knows who he is now, which he is NONE too happy about! Especially considering that he is not Supershadow. Not really.

When we started Supershadow back in 1998 (or so?), Supershadow was four of us. To this day, there is more than one Supershadow. Mick is the only known one of us, because the site was registered in his name. He was the only one of us that had a credit card! He is only one SS. There are another two guys in addition to Mick who answer fan questions. There's one guy who spends all his time making up fake Star Wars history for us to use, like "Kaja Sinis". That was made up by a guy named Shawn. We all loved Shawn's ideas, so most of the Star Wars history on that site is Shawn. There's one guy who does the Lucas stuff and handles the official SS Myspace profile.

The initial concept of SS was to piss off rabid Star Wars fans with false info and statements that would incite a riot. All of us being in school or having jobs, we took turns coming up with ideas and that is still how SS.com works. If you're paying attention, you can tell when various people are writing. "Supershadow"'s writing style is pretty consistent, but if you pay attention you can tell who is answering. At first we were just posting fake Star Wars news to piss off the fans. Now they get so much email, we just answered questions of the fans.

I was "Supershadow" (or one of the people that wrote as SS) up until about a year ago. It was whenever they decided to start doing the Lucas Q&A thing. As I said, that's not Mick who writes as Lucas. And no, I won't share my real full name or anyone else's. The reason I stopped taking part in SS.com is that the Lucas thing worried me. I didn't want to get sued, so I gradually left.

Mick's a good guy, very wicked sense of humour as all of us had. We just loved pissing off Star Wars fans with postings like, "Jar Jar is the most popular character by far!" and then watching the emails come in. There'd always be a ton for us to use, and piss more people off. It was good fun. I still see Mick/Michael sometimes. He does a lot less of SS now, because he started a new job recently. I think he's working for his dad's law firm? Can't remember. Either way it doesn't matter as we all deserve a certain degree of privacy.

None of us EVER expected that SS.com would become what it is today. When we posted that we were the most popular Star Wars site in the world, it may well have been true! The number of hits we'd get was insane. Not the kind of number the official site gets, but very respectable.

The reason I am "coming out" so to speak is so people will lay off Mick a bit. He gets mad when people post his personal info online, he's had to change his phone number three times now. Mick's a good guy, and "Supershadow" is just a prank that went a bit too far. That is why I don't do it anymore. No regrets though. Some of the best nights of my life were spent at Mick's house writing answers to fan questions. A lot of good times and laughs went into building SS.com

That is all I am willing to say at this time. Take it easy on Mick OK?

James"

Maybe...maybe not. I find that most people on MySpace have no life whatsoever--well SS would match the profile if he were fake, but also this is something I know many people who are capable of writing like this. Four people makes more since though. The George Lucas comments are very much written like someone who has lived through the 1970s, he knows all of the movies from the time anyway. Either very clever deception or very good info. Well, time will tell for sure. If SS is real eventually GL will reveal that and if he is not GL will reveal that too, though indirectly perhaps.
Some random person on MySpace making claims that he knows Mickey Suttle is hardly noteworthy, and the chances of it being in any way verifiable are slim to none. I'm removing it from the article unless something more substantial can be confirmed. Nufy8 04:40, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Okay. I apologize. ShinGaruda 04:46, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

No need to apologize. Thanks for at least starting a discussion on the talk page before making changes to the article; I was going to respond when you first posted this information, but I probably got distracted and forgot. Nufy8 04:53, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

However I DO think the shadowscourge link might be pretty important. But once again, I'm not in charge, it's just a thought. ShinGaruda 06:18, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SUPERSHADOW CLAIMS TO BE "Gregory Wormuth"

From supershadow.com home, as of 2-17-2006: "What’s your real name? (SuperShadow: Gregory Wormuth, also known as the Spider.) How much of Star Wars do you really have a part in? (SuperShadow: I’ve had minor cameo roles in each of the prequel films. SS also contributed dozens of ideas that ended up in the final scripts for the prequel movies.) I’m just wondering, chances are I’m going to ask this again. Not to be mean, I just need to know. Thanx bye. (SuperShadow: Rage on)" 69.149.176.199

Huh. It's probabaly another one of his lies. His site registers to Mickey Suttle, so that is what everyone has assumed is his real name. The Wookieepedian 15:36, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Just some interesting info--on google the name Gregory Wormuth refers to someone who works for the USDOJ and a now 22 (23?) year old convicted rapist in Richfield Springs, NY. Interesting contrast. Doubt it's either of them... Bourgeoisdude
Yeah, I'm 100% sure that's not his real name. And rape? Well, still, I wouldn't put it beneath SS. :D The Wookieepedian 20:11, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Definately a lie. On SuperShadow's old site hosted on, I believe, GeoCities, aka. the one he had before registering on GoDaddy.Com, he referred to himself as Mickey Suttle. - Brandon "Jedimasterbac" Rhea

[edit] Lucas Q&A

If SuperShadow was a fake, then why would his Q&A with Lucas still be up and running? It is illegal to post this type of activity if it isn't warrented by Lucas himself. I could understand if the Q&A was only up for a couple of days, but it's been up for a while now, and it is quite extensive. Lucas' lawyers would have been alerted to this type of activity by these so called Lucas employees who have threatened his site in the past, and would have warned him of a lawsuit by now. Perhaps claiming to not be affiliated with Lucasfilms in the past was him only stirring up more controversy about himself. What do you think?

I'm still inclined to believe it was a fake. I mean, look at all the fake Bush quotes floating around the internet.--Vercalos 20:11, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Well--not a perfect example, but it is quite possible he is fake. He/they have done a remarkable job deceiving thousands of fans over the years and the plot script (more like an outline) was definately not written by an amateur. Still--most likely several dozen folks are running it, no way one person could do such a good job maintaining and updating the site on such a regular basis and be fairly consistent. Bourgeoisdude 22:27, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Mickey Suttle and/or everyone else behind the site suck. They're all a bunch of fakes. PERIOD.

Besides having your mind already made up, is there any reason you claim this? I believe it is fake as well but I don't bash someone just because I disagree with them. If you have additional evidence besides what has already been presented, by all means enlighten us... Bourgeoisdude 00:13, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
I just thought of something. Maybe Lucas is SuperShadow, and just hires some guys to write all that on the SS site, so as to confuse and mess with all the fans. Maybe, just maybe... he's sadistic like that. :P The Wookieepedian 03:37, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I pretty much believe the site is a fake too, but the only thing that makes it look real is the Lucas Q&A that has been up for a LONG time now. If I were Lucas, I wouldn't want some imposter out there fooling people about knowledge of his very own movie. I would get a legal team on it right away. It just looks suspicious, that's all. BTW, who is doing any bashing? Were you talking to me, because I started this topic.

I wasn't bashing anyone. Sorry if it looked that way. I'm just showing my anger towards SS, not the topic creator (who made a good one). 24.180.4.19 02:19, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Suing for slander and libel is only up to the person being spoken about, and as we've seen in the past George Lucas doesn't care what people say about him. - Jedimasterbac 22:37 EST; March 13, 2006
You mean to say that Lucas doesn't care that "his" Star Wars fans are being misled and that his very own "precious" creation, Star Wars, is being used as someone's play thing? I would hope that Lucas and Lucasfilm see the fans as being more important than the publicity and little money SuperShadow.com can create for them. If they actually like what Shadow is doing (if he is a liar), then they've got a real problem, and frankly, they suck. So, this is why SuperShadow is almost real to me. As for the name Mickey Suttle, that wouldn't have to be Shadow's name. That's just assumed because the name is registered to SuperShadow.com It could be anyone who helps with the site, or a site webmaster. Lots of people do this to avoid having their names open to the public. Or, Suttle could simply be paid to represent the site. As for the proof that Shadow is fake, "What's proof?" I'm all with you when you say you don't like his attitude. To me, the site sort of looks like a site intended to provoke the public (as directed by Lucas and Shadow). Especially becasue there is no legal reason why anyone would have to make this special little announcement to the public saying that SuperShadow isn't affiliated with Lucasfilms. And then, right away, it's like it never happened and the notice is taking off the website. I think Lucas might want people to see controversy and think it's a hoax. Some people have faked hacks on their own websites just to get people's attention. Looks similar to ShuperShadow. But hey, I also think the site looks fake too...so I'm not sure what to believe. What I do believe, is that Lucas and his company can't be complete jerks getting a nice laugh out of this at the expense of thousands of loyal fans. A lot of them are just kids. Hence, it might all turn out to be real. -- sorry this post was so long, and I don't blame you for not liking SuperShadow.com and calling it fake.
I didn't make my post clear enough. I meant the fact that people could possibly be calling Lucas a "jerk" or something because of the way that SuperShadow represents him may not bother him enough to actually sue over it. Lucas is called names day and night of every signle day. - Jedimasterbac 17:56 EST; March 17, 2006

sigh... You're going to think that I'm a stupid liar and that there's no proof, but what more proof do you need? Fingerprints? On myspace.com, I searched under the e-mail of mickeysuttle@yahoo.com. Before you say that someone could've just used it for the heck of it, you have to check for verification e-mail. I found out that after he deleted his account he's still posing as "007". He admitted to me personally that he is a fraud and that his visitors are too gullible and he has no idea why nobody has found out the truth about his site. No, these are not my own words. I can give you the list of messages that we exchanged if you want me to. While I cannot prove this to the skeptical, I'm giving all the info I can. Heck, I'll even show some screenshots! I don't care. ShinGaruda 01:34, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it's me again, I don't have a signature. I just wanted to say you all are probably right. I've been thinking about it some more, and Supershadow.com doesn't really come across as something legitamate. Has anyone ever e-mailed Lucusfilms from their Star Wars site and complained or asked about Supershadow.com? I'm sure someone out there has. I was just wondering what their response might be. How long is that stupid site going to be tricking people? Well, it's late, but I'm about to watch Episode 3 for my 3rd time right now. Later all.

Has anybody noticed that the Star Wars forums refer to SuperShadow as a big fraud? The rules on them, that is.ShinGaruda 01:35, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Something has to be done about it Super shadow and quick

  • We cant just allow millions of fans to be seduced to such pittiful thing. Thinking this micky guy is goerge lucas. A revolt must be made, the site should be shut down, the fans must be told the truth. {posted-November 3, 2006}-user:kenobi317

[edit] Recentism

The "ten-year test" is one simple thought experiment which may be helpful: "In ten years will this addition still appear relevant? If I am devoting more time to it than other topics on the page, will it appear more relevant than what is already here? recentism —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 0kty (talk • contribs).

Given that the EU will still be relevant in ten years, and given the massive negative effects of SS, I'd say yes, in ten years this would still be useful. --maru (talk) contribs 21:14, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Unfortunately, we'll HAVE to deal with SS for about another 10 years. The site expires on August 13th, 2015, according to the Whois search. --ShinGaruda 04:42, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
That's just the hostname registration. Hosting is the more important factor, and hosting is generally shot-term contracts. --maru (talk) contribs 23:39, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] His falsehoods have become more obvious- he needs donations to keep the site running!

"The maintenance and upkeep of SuperShadow.com and the other SS related web sites is not cheap. We need your donations. By making a gift to us, you help make sure that SS.com will continue to entertain the fans for many more years. You can make a donation of any amount. No sum is too small. Anything you can spare will be greatly appreciated. We use PayPal for our donations. PayPal is a safe and secure method of payment to SS.com. Your donation makes you an official member of SuperShadow.com. The future of SS.com rests in your hands. Please donate today. Thanks in advance. Please click on the credit-card image below to make your donation:"

Some months earlier, he said he was hired as a consultant who made somewhere over 500-grand each year, was given a Lincoln Navigator by LucasFilm, as well as many other opulent freebies from them. If he was paid that salary, then he could certainly afford to keep the site running all by himself. Someone with as much clout as George Lucas's best friends would never need donations, you know. --Shultz IV 03:02, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

  • I wonder how much cash he'll be able to siffon off his zombie fans? Yikes... on the other hand if he is THIS desperate the end of the site could be near if he doesn't get money! Then again he might simply be greedy.

[edit] moved from main article

[edit] The Above is not True

I have been in regular contact with Supershadow/Mickey Suttle for the past couple of days becuase I designed the new banner for his site. I asked him about his myspace page, and he told me he never even heard of it. Some imposter is playing him. You can't believe anything on the Supershadow myspace, only believe info from his site, and/or direct contact with him. I can't post the e-mail here because I respect Suttle.

[edit] External Links

I would highly reccomend getting rid of most of the forums in the list at the bottom of the page. It's my firm belief that the only way to "beat" SuperShadow is to stop giving him attention, and stupid chatrooms like that only give him fodder. Brandon Rhea 14:18, 24 June 2006 (UTC)


Supershadow dead?

I couldn't find anything about Mickey Suttle being dead on the link provided, so I deleted this probable vandalism.

[edit] It's called satire!

For all the people who complain, it's like complaing that The Onion doesn't portray the real news and should be shut down for spreading lies. Granted supershadow.com isn't very -good- satire, but it still is. 141.151.3.56 03:38, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

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