Talk:Sunday Bloody Sunday (song)
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I added a "Confusing" template thingamajig to this article because there's no clue as to what the song is about. It should at least mention the 1972 Derry Bloody Sunday incident so that it's in some sort of context.
It's in there now. I'm taking out the template, but feel free to put it back if it still feels confusing. --Kristbg 01:16, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
I put in the mid-song rant, so people get the feeling of the song and what the real message is. I left in the word "Fuck" as it has appeared in the U2 article without opposition. It is also meant in an angry context, definately not trying to be offensive. Duey Finster 22:34, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] The Best of 1980-1990
This song is the fifth track on U2's The Best of 1980-1990. Shouldn't it be mentioned here? El sand bag57 22:51, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
- I'm working on adding an album listing infobox for the Best Of albums. That should do it. --Kristbg 00:08, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Song sample
I was thinking a music sample of the song might help illustrate some of the descriptive text in the "Inspiration and recording" section. 30 seconds seems to be the ideal time; any ideas which 30-second sampling to use? I was thinking the opening 30 seconds. They definitely illustrate the raw guitar and bleak lyrics, as well as the martial drumbeat, but they don't showcase the hopeful change (musically) in the "How long?" section. Thoughts? --Mcmillin24 05:15, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
- Exactly what I thought. Go for it! --Kristbg 14:58, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] GA status
This article could do with a lot more references. Lincher 00:36, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] External link may be bad
According to siteadvisor, if you give your E-mail address to the first external link, it will post it to the web, and you'll get something like 20 spam E-mails a week. Should the link be removed?
[edit] Glorification?
There is a line under reactions "Even without some of the lyrics, a few listeners still immediately passed off the song as a "rebel" song—even one that glorified the events of the two Bloody Sundays to which the lyrics referred."
This is ludicrous as there was never any mention that the acts were being glorified by U2, it was the complete opposite!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.206.171.244 (talk • contribs).
- I think this should be discussed before being completely removed. Here are a couple of quotes that back up the claim that some listeners passed off the song as "one that glorified the events of the two Bloody Sundays to which the lyrics referred."
- From Walk On: The Spiritual Journey of U2: "There were, of course, those who misunderstood "Sunday Bloody Sunday." The band got into trouble on both sides of the politial divide. The Protestants were displeased with the seeming glorification of Bloody Sunday, which the Nationalists had been using as propaganda against the British troops."
- And a quote from Fachtna O'Ceallaigh from U2 at the End of the World, in many ways a more authoritative source because the author spent time with the band: "The idea of some major rock star going around the world with a white flag in his hand and singing 'Sunday Bloody Sunday' and then saying, This is not a rebel song has some nerve, as far as I'm concerned, to exploit the pain and suffering of people in a part of…whether it's his own country or anybody else's."
- The point I attempted to bring when writing the original line about glorification is that some residents of Ireland felt the Bloody Sundays were being glorified just by there being a song written about them. I think completely removing a statement that helps explain a crucially different fan reaction to the song is a mistake. --McMillin24 contribstalk 20:34, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
- : Glorification, to me, implies that the song was interpreted as glorifying what mass murder in Derry. No one could be dense enough to hear the song and think that, quite the opposite actually; one might hear "Sunday, Bloody Sunday" and come to the conclusion that the British Army has to go, and that only violence will get them out. Other rebel songs make that same point, when commemorating that event or similar tragedies in the nationalist community. So Bono, as I understand it, wanted to make it clear that he wasn't supporting the IRA, even though he was condemning the random killings of protestors by the British Army. In my opinion, that's pretty stupid, and should almost go without saying-- although if you really bristle that much about a Derry or Belfast republican singing your song about their pain, well, that's your choice I guess.
Anybody going to add a mention of the George W Bush "cover"? 60.241.69.75 02:18, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Alvin and the Chipmunks version
I added a little sidenote about the Alvin and the Chipmunks version to this article. I don't know where I'd find the actual song, though. Anybody help?§§§§Brieanna
[edit] Rolling Stone Magazine
I really like this quote from RS's review of Under a Blood Red Sky. Should we incoporate it into the article somehow?:
- But the high point is "Sunday Bloody Sunday." It may not be a rebel song, as Bono tells a presumably baffled German audience, but it is practically everything else: an anguished, thoughtful synthesis of religious and political beliefs, backed by the bone-crushing arena-rock riff of the decade. This is "Stairway to Heaven" for smart people -- even if it is played a tad too fast -- and it kicks Under a Blood Red Sky over the rainbow.
- --Merbabu 14:46, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
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- It's a very good quote, but I'm not sure where it would fit. I've been toying with a quote from the RS interview with Bono, and which part of it is most appropriate to use:
- Bono on War:
- Great collection of songs. Strong in content and ideas but poor in lyrical execution. We were trying to be the Wlio meets the Clash. I spent minutes on these things rather than hours. So "Sunday Bloody Sunday," which was supposed to contrast Easter Sunday with the death of thirteen protesters in Derry on Bloody Sunday, didn't quite come off. And yet melodically and the suggestion of the lyrics stood up to the test of time. I've changed the lyrics when I sing it now just to make it more believable for myself. I don't think anyone else notices. But that's a great song—mostly Edge's song.
- In particular, the last sentence might belong in the background section. McMillin24 contribstalk 23:19, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
- It's a very good quote, but I'm not sure where it would fit. I've been toying with a quote from the RS interview with Bono, and which part of it is most appropriate to use:
