Talk:Suicide by cop
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The discussion of "Victim-Precipitated Suicide" also seems to echo the Circumcellions, a fourth century Christian group ( involved with the Donatists ) who attacked people they considered the enemies of the church in the hope of being martyred - including alleged assaults on fully armed Roman Legionaires, which is the historical analogue of the situation discussed here. This is allegedly discussed in WHC Frends, "The Rise of Christianity", cited on the African Christianity Homepage. If anyone has this book and can confirm the passages, I think they'd be a great addition to this article. --219.164.33.42 06:23, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
Is the term used in an ironic sense often (if at all). Although it is plausible that suicide by cop is used this way "in some circles", I couldn't find any references to this practice. But that may just mean I wasn't thorough enough. MSchmahl 01:10, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] counts as suicide?
Does anyone know if government statistics count suicide by cop as a suicide death? Gflores Talk 22:08, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Original Research
Unless there is a link or reference to a published copy of that essay, it's got to go. -Snpoj
- What about a link to a summary of the essay by the writer? the preceding unsigned comment was written by 67.162.31.206.
- I tend to agree with Snpoj. Unless Michelle Chan's notability, as an expert in the field of psychology or religious history, is established, her opinion doesn't really belong here. -- MSchmahl 12:51, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
- I wouldn't see any problem with a link of the summary if the link is listed under "External Links". Even a short description of what the link is about would be ok imho. -Snpoj
[edit] Removal of "Michelle Chan" essay material
[Removed: Author Jay Black of Guttersnipe, Zarboki, and MSchmahl disagree over the inclusion of (a) Michelle Chan's Jesus S.B.C. theory and (b) long description of Guttersnipe novella in External links. They eventually agree on a simple citation-style link. Talk removed by User:Jay Black, possibly as part of a MindWipe.]
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- On a more constructive note, I also think we have to agree that S.B.C. is a fairly common principle in literature as well as filmmaking. I myself came to the page after watching an old episode of NCIS that features this concept and wording. The examples should be limited to fairly well-known works. If you want a page that is a list of all examples of S.B.C. then make a separate article and link it from here. Surely the aim of the page should be to inform about the topic not list every example in pop-culture. Zarboki 08:20, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
- I agree completely with Zarboki. I see no indication, either in this article or elsewhere, that Michelle Chan is a reputable biblical scholar. I was on the verge of removing the disputed content myself. — MSchmahl 09:34, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
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- I'm fine with it like it is now, just like how that Chan stuff was redone. imo, if you've got something interesting that you did personally but that isn't "notable" just put it as a link at the bottom with a short description. -Snpoj 04:56, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Original reference of 'Victim-Precipitated Homicide'
It seems to me that the term 'Victim-Precipitated Homicide' was coined by Wolfgang M.E. Altough, i cannot confirm this and don't know if this was a master thesis or if he was a "veteran Canadian police officer."
Wolfgang M.E. (1959). "Suicide by means of victim-precipitated homicide". Journal of Clinical and Experimental Psychopathology and Quarterly Review of Psychiatry and Neurology 20 (Oct-Dec): 335-349.
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[edit] Rename
To be quite frank, "cop" does sound quite tacky and is an americanism not used widely elsewhere. I would suggest that the name be changed to "police assisted suicide" or "Suicide by provoking lethal response", or something else a little more encyclopedic. This is not intended as a dig at whoever created this article, just a suggestion to make it sound a little more professional if you will. Benjaminstewart05 20:54, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
