Talk:Suicidal Tendencies

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Is this a copyvio? I could swear the same (or similar) text is at ubl.com... Thunderbunny 04:58, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Not anymore. Kainaw 19:56, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

--- why doesn't it have a member listing... Xunflash 02:02, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Add one. --Myles Long/cDc 15:34, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

___ To the person who mentioned about other Venice punk bands being blacklisted due to Suicidal: there was no blacklist against The Alley Cats or X both of whom were based in Venice at the time (and X was considerably more successful than Suicidal Tendencies) ; however those bands were not tied in with the Muirs and their little clique. The bands like Excel and the (East Venice) No Mercy made conscious choices not to play outside of their little scene. The violence committed by Suicidal Tendencies fans is very documented and was probably more responsible for killing off the Los Angeles punk rock scene than any other factor except perhaps the LAPD. As far as the gang stuff, there is little physical proof and probably none that exists online but at the time it was widely believed there were ties between Suicidal and Venice 13. The existence of a gang called the Suicidal Boys in East Venice who were tied to the Venice Whiteboys who were also in East Venice and Oakwood, who happened to be allied with V-13 who shared those same areas does make strong suggestions that they were.

Contents 1 This page is not copyvio 2 All Music Guide 3 Cleanup? 4 First sentence: "is" vs. "are" 5 Girl killed at concert?

[edit] This page is not copyvio

I went to suicidaltendencies.com to verify the band lineup. I noticed that much of the text on their band page is nearly identical to the article here. I rewrote the article, mostly from scratch, a year ago. I did not copy any of it from the official ST homepage. So, I can assure anyone who is concerned that the official ST homepage must have copied the text from this Wikipedia article. Kainaw 23:28, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] All Music Guide

(moved new comment to bottom Kainaw 13:46, 8 November 2005 (UTC))

This article is copied verbatim from the All Music Guide (allmusic.com). (posted anonymously by 24.190.209.75 on 8 November 2005)

Wikipedia works best when you read it. If you had read it, you would see that *I* wrote the article over a year ago. Since then, the official Suicidal Tendencies page was redone to contain nearly identical text. Then, All Music Guide was changed to contain nearly identical text to the official Suicidal Tendencies page. Kainaw 13:46, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup?

Can someone tell me why this page has a cleanup tag? I can't see much wrong with it --Nosmo 13:51, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

It's been removed. Did a bit of grammer stuff, but overall, looks good to me too. --Lendorien 01:19, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] First sentence: "is" vs. "are"

The first sentence keeps getting changed from "Suicidal Tendencies is" to "Suicidal Tendencies are". This shouldn't be difficult to understand. In English, any sentence with "is" and "are" can be reversed. While it isn't logically correct, the sentence must remain plurally correct. So, take the sentence "Suicidal Tendencies are a hardcore punk band." Reverse it. "A hardcore punk band are Suicidal Tendencies." That is wrong. So, either "band" must be plural or "is" must be used. Obviously, Suicidal Tendencies is one band, so claiming they are "bands" is wrong. Therefore, "is" must be used. Now I know and knowing is half the battle! --Kainaw ^(talk) 15:02, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

So you'd also find "The Beatles is a British Invasion band" acceptable? "band" is a collective noun in English and can take on singular or plural forms depending on preference. 24.199.113.215 00:01, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

You are apparently using British English. I fail to see how British usage of treating collective nouns as plural applies to an article about a an American English band. So, to answer you question, the proper form is "The Beatles is a British Invasion band" because it reversed to "A British Invasion band is the Beatles." Also note that in British English, "a band" would not be used with "are". However "the band" may be used with "are". --Kainaw ^(talk) 00:22, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Girl killed at concert?

Is there a citation for this? 24.199.113.215 00:01, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't know about anyone being killed at early Suicidal shows, however their fans were known to cause trouble, get into fights, and commit vandalism in just about every venue they played in. The band was surrounded with an aura of violence, not helped by their fans' violent tendencies (even by the standards of early 1980s Los Angeles area punk rock). I have no idea if there's a cite for this, but its occurrance wouldn't surprise me.