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[edit] Franky is an official Straw Hat crewmember now

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/43/Franky_accept.gif

Please stop removing his information as a crewmember, it's pointless. -PanicPaladin 10:03, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mr.2 a Straw hat?

Shouldn't Mr.2 be considered a temporary Straw-Hat? I think if Ace and Gan Fall are listed, he should be too.

What about Wiper? Most of the Straw Hat Pirates, like Chopper, Nami, Usopp, Zoro and Sanji, the current Straw Hat Pirates must defeat a "boss" while the future member-in-question defeat a "subordinate of the boss". Wiper defeated the "subordinate" [Shura] and help defeat the "boss" [Eneru]. Doesn't that consider him a temporary Straw Hat?

[edit] A request

Could someone list each of the crews battles in their article

A better idea would be a list of other pirate crews they have beaten rather then a long list of foes they have beaten.

They have defeated the former Captain Morgan. You forgot him.

[edit] Current Crew Members

Question: Has Sogeking actually been accepted as an official member of the crew? I mean, Luffy hasn't even figured out his secret identity yet, that I remember.

nope, He stands at the same level as Franky. To the eyes of Luffy, he is an allie. But Ussop is temporarily, perhaps permanently still not a member of the Strawhats. If Ussop is reassign into the Strawhats, then his alter-ego: Sogeking, is also a member, even if Luffy doesn't see it that way. He might just name Sogeking as a Honorary Nakama, like Vivi-sama is. Currently Ussop is not a memeber of the Strawhats, and consecuently niether is Sogeking --Guille2015 20:32, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
So shouldn't this page reflect that rather than listing sogeking as a member? Perhaps list Ussop under former strawhats? That's the only reason I asked (I already knew the answer). Stardust8212 21:07, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
I thought of that ofcourse, but it seems that every member of the strawhats doesn't seem to mind that he is not a member. Thier actions are still very clear that they consider him Nakama regardless of what has happened. I also think that he will defenetely rejoin, because he is very tied to his father in the Red Hair pirates, and he has a counterpart in the Blackbeard pirates. Besides, if he is removed from the list, you'll see a whole lot of complaining, i dont think it really matters whether he is considered a member or not. Maybe just mentioning that he is Temporarily not a member of the strawhats. --Guille2015 21:20, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Enough with the Zolo/Zoro fight!

It seems that there are two sides, the Zolo side and the Zoro side. Prsonally, I don't really care which side "wins", although I'd slightly prefer Zoro. Wikipedia is a website open for all to edit. Anyone. So, please, just stick with one name, and stop the useless edits. Please.

I agree, actually, i think that we should all acknowledge that he is known as both those name, which means that he can be called as either Zolo or Zoro. My worry is that he should have the same name through the entire article. Across articles it doesn matter, but in one article, The first time his name is used needs to be stated that both uses are correct, then one name is used during the entire article. Just like the previous poster, I prefer Zoro, But I have to admit that Zolo takes preference because that is the OFFICIAL english translation of his name. --Guille2015 18:36, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I think the fighting should end however I think the article should remain as Zoro as that is how the name is used in the Japanese regardless of the English translation (which in the original US release of the manga WAS Zoro and was changed after 4kids picked up the anime), since the current article is Roronoa Zoro I think it is most appropriate to leave Zoro and note the 4Kids name change, regardless of my personal opinion (which is that Zoro is better anyway). I don't want this to be a battle but I do want the article to be correct. Stardust8212 20:23, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
The thing is that both uses of the name are correct. Whether one is used over the other doesnt matter, as long as it is the same within an article. The article refering to Zoro as Zoro should use only Zoro as his name (and state Zolo as an alternate). So its not about being correct, but rather of having a well written article.--Guille2015 21:48, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
This is the ENGLISH Wikipedia, therefore the English version should be used as the name. louisng114 03:40, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
If we're doing about the anime, the Japanese verison should be used as the show was orginally JAPANESE. No arguments really needed. Because the english transaltions are screwed up anyway. Angel Emfrbl 15:53, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Let's just leave it as Zoro in this article as the main article says Zoro. If that article changes name we change name. If it was not changed it would cause a contradiction. We should change it to Zoro as the MAIN article says Zoro. All who wish to debate are welcome 58.105.132.61 07:19, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Interchangable or not, it is only a change in the SPOKEN language. the written language, as well on the bounty posters(in english) list him as Zoro. EWnglish web site or not, we are discussing a topic on here from Japan. Also, alot of information would be missing or messed up if we went with the 4kids version, because it lacks over 30(nearly 40 counting all the time they've cut out in the middle of shows) which would make things extremely inaccurate. We should just stick with Japanese names thorughout the site. It'll make things easier and MUCH more accurate to the Japanese Manga storyline, which as it is the orriginal one, it would be the most correct.

I know that I what I have to say may not matter but, unless there is a dubbed version of One Piece that does the original Japanese justice like Naruto and they use Zolo instead of Zoro, then I'm okay with it.

People please! This argument is over, this NOT discuss this anymore. Can't you guys see this topic is a couple months ago and has been resolved. Lets discuss this no more. Angel Emfrbl 07:17, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Seven Deadly Sins

I think this is really just a rumor among fans and doesn't generally fit very well. Usopp and Chopper aren't sloth (they don't lay around doing nothing all day) the closest to this is actually Zoro and if Luffy represented a sin it would be gluttony. Is there an actual source for this or is it just an opinion supposedly held by the fans? If there isn't a reliable source actually stating this I'm not sure it belongs here. I also saw this mentioned on the seven deadly sins page and it probably doesn't belong there either... Stardust8212 17:15, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I think this is just original research. Althought some of the characters have a relationship with the sins, I doubt that there is an intentional association. Luffy also has Pride and so does Sanji and the rest of the Strawhats also develope some pride at different levels. I think this section doesn't belong in wiki. --Guille2015 21:48, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I still think this is original Research, I agree that some of the members are sinners. But there is no prove that the One Piece's purpose is to identify the characters with the sins. This is just speculation by fans, and should be remove. Like i said before, almost all of the members of the strawhats and other characters share the same "sins". Nami is not the only one with greed, and Pride is present on everyone probably at the same level. Nami, is also a sloth as stated by Vivi several times. Chopper is by far not envious at all. He could probably be compared with Usopp. --Guille2015 20:32, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Agreed and done, if someone would like to bring forward an actual source for this information then they may add it back in, until then it is original reserch and not even accurate at that. Stardust8212 21:57, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Luffy would be Gluttony, and Sanji Lust :).Lancaster D Mistletoe 12:07, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Killing?

The Straw-hats don't kill after what I've seen but it says Zoro killed 100 or so Bounty Hunters at Whiskey Peak. Last time, it said Zoro killed Mr. 7 but that was wrong. What's up?

"Unlike Luffy and most of the other Strawhats, Zoro has been known to kill his opponents if he has to, though never in cold blood." From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roronoa_Zoro

[edit] Chopper's Dream

I think that becoming a great doctor should be mentioned in the "Chopper's Dream" section, does anyone agree/disagree?

Agreed, I remember hearing him mention that.

Chopper's dream has nothing to do wth healing or curing or creating medicine. He only wanted to find the best medicine he could find for his hero, Hiluluk, who was sure to die, no matter what they did. After Hiluluk died, he wanted to become a great doctor like his hero, Hiluluk, in order to not lose anyone again, which came true when he started learning medicine with Kureha.

Hiluluk told Chopper alot of the outside world and the sakura that saved his life, and how amazing it is, and that he must see it some day, and that is the reason he left with Luffy.

BTW, you can hear the ED theme for ep 128. a song named Family, which basiclly concludes of the SHs's VAs singing about how that "we are not friends, sibilings, etc etc, we are family". There is a part in the song that all of them (six, Robin joined afterwards, but the full version of the song includes Robin/Yuriko Yamaguchi) sing about the dream each has. If you understand basic japanese, you'll know Chopper's dream is NOT to become a great doctor. Kurigiri 07:32, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay lets settle this matter ONCE AND FOR ALL. (This came from a translation of Ep.86, of the orginal Japanese verison). You can't go by one song anyway alone, so here is what is said in the anime.
Upon the death of his father-figure... Doctor Hiluluk dies. He calls to that Witch doctor and demands she make him a doctor reason: He wants to become a Panacea (the name that Doctor Hiluluk used) and be a doctor that cure any diease - even the one held by an entire country. He doesn't say this is a dream though, that I note... But its clear its part of his dream, just like Usopp also dreams of visiting Elbaf one day. Should it be in chopper's dream bit? I'll put this back in because its very clear that Chopper DOES dream about this, though his main dream is to see the world and expand his horizons. Angel Emfrbl 14:45, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Although I didn't notice the part about Usopp earlier, I'm against it on SHs article. We can write it in his article, we should write it there. I just read the end of Chopper's past again (chpt. 145), and he does say to Kureha "I want to become the best doctor! I want to cure every disease in the world! Because.. There is no disease that cannot be cured!!" Although this is the quote from the scanlations, so I have no proof to how accurate is that. I'll check Stephan's translation later. I bet it hits close enough, though I'm practicly positive Chopper didn't say "best". Anyway, this is from page 16. In page 15, Dalton yells at Wapol "there is no way to cure a crazy person!!!". Throughout that part, Hiluluk keeps saying that the miracle medicine is the sakura that saved his life. Didn't that dream, of making sakura bloom on a snow-island, came to life when Chopper was on his way out?

About the part about Usopp. Since it is has nothing to do with his part in this article, so both that and the Chopper thing should each go in their own articles. Unless anyone here finds a major flaw by doing so. Kurigiri 17:56, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Lol. We could argue about translations all day. So lets do it your way for. In this case there are properly a dozen ways to translate words of both the manga and anime. So in the short run, better not to argue over which translation we should go by or what is right and wrong.  ;) Angel Emfrbl 18:05, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Aren't we arguing about right and wrong? XD Kurigiri 19:43, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Personnelly I'd prefer to argue over to order Pizza or Pie. But that has nothing to do with this wikipedia page nor One Piece whats so ever. XD Angel Emfrbl 19:59, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Pizza, if you ask me :P Anyway, just checked Stephan's translation.

Chopper: DEACH BE TO BE A DOCDOR...!!!

- Page 184 -

Chopper: I WILL BE A "PANACEA"!!! I WILL BE A DOCDOR THAD CAN HEAL ADY SIGGNESS!!! BECAUSE...!! BECAUSE THERE'Z NO DISEAZE IN THIS WORLD... THAT CAN'T BE CURED!!!!

Directly from the page. BTW, Panacea. Oda has really done his research. Anyway, I'm conviced. Just keep the part about travelling the world. Kurigiri 21:01, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

The typos made that translation all the more worth-while! XD Angel Emfrbl 21:34, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

It's because Chopper is crying, that is not laughing matter >: Kurigiri 21:51, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Lol. I see now. Sorry my bad then. Anyway... Where are we up to now with this after all that??? XD Angel Emfrbl 22:22, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
By the way, Panacea is also the name, derived from the divinity of a legendary remedy to all evil. It's a common expression in Italian and I think in English too to say "La panacea di tutti i mali", "The remedy for all evil", so i linked to the medicine.Cuttyflam 09:16, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Added new section

Okay I added a section for clues on who the next crewmate will be. You now have a place to put clues on here... To sum up everything that straw hats have suggested about who the next crew member will be. We keep having Franky refs put up and having them removed because their speculations. This is to clear cut what is FAN SPECULATION and what Oda has let us know OFFICALLY about the next memeber. There are other reasons to... I can't be bothered to go into them though for now. Angel Emfrbl 21:15, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Someone should do lues for Paulie... Its obivous he isn't going to join but... With Oda you don't know whats going to happen sometimes. Angel Emfrbl 12:20, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Crew number???

It says as number of Crew Member 8. But it should be 6. Technically, Usopp isn't a Mugiwara until he comes back, and Franky isn't confirmed yet.

[edit] Franky info

Here we go... *Sigh*. We can't put him down with the straw hats until he says 'I'll be your nakama'. The best I could come up with to handle the info in the meantime was to add the 'next member clues'. Can we stop adding his job + dream info to the relative sections until he says those words... Write the clues but don't write the stats. Angel Emfrbl 21:22, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not yet

He hasn't joined the Straw Hats yet... But a note to everyone: Is should do really soon. the enies Lobby Arc is over more or less. I know fingers are clicking to put it down, but wait a few more weeks until he says he'll join. Then we can add him. ;) Angel Emfrbl 16:33, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Okay it seems Franky is NOW a offical Straw Hat. So we can add his stuff and all. Thats bound to make a few people who were edit-happy satisfied. ;) Angel Emfrbl 19:02, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Where did you get this from? Any reference? - Tekoteko 10:17, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

He is not. It's pretty much garunteed, but Franky has yet to agree anything. I have no doubt he will join, but it is still possible he won't.

Right, as of chapter 436 he still has NOT decided to join the Straw-Hats. But 99% chance that he will soon. - Tekoteko 19:09, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] wanted crew

I was thinking we could add a section, on this page, where it listed the people luffy wanted to join. Like the bush man in a treasure chest, and the flower man who doctors labboon the whale. Also franky could go under that section.

He hasn't asked Franky yet, he did ask Iceburg though.81.227.104.220 16:52, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Franky hasn't been asked yet so isn't 'wanted' as such. Angel Emfrbl 17:39, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Former Strawhat Pirates should list Vivi

Shouldn't it? I don't want to get into an edit-war if she'd been removed for some reason, but she is a former Mugiwara.

Actually, Vivi is "technically" still a Mugiwara, just not traveling with the Mugiwaras. She and Gaimon are welcomed to join them anytime. At least that's what Luffy offered. Kljs 05:04, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
No one has replied, so I am editing. =P

[edit] Chopper's bounty

Its not 50 belli...

... Its more like 5,000,000. 50 was a error on a early translation. The same with Robin being written as 800,000,000 by accident. Angel Emfrbl 22:15, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually it is only 50 berry.--201.1.147.93 11:05, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Yeah I got fooled by a fake spoiler. Its the first time. I'm ticked off with fakes right now. Its getting out of hand. Why I've been making so much fuss about spoilers recently. Everyone more or less has been duped at least once by them. ¬_¬' Angel Emfrbl 13:59, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Usopp and Franky

Both are (currently) not SHs. Why are they in the bounty list? and Usopp on the current crew members list? Kurigiri 21:46, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Franky is a Straw Hat now but Usopp is in the bounty list since he's traveling with them and every acknowledges that he's part of the crew... I think. Xenero 02:09, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
As of chapter 435, Franky has not officially joined the crew, and Usopp never officially rejoined the crew. The bounty list was for Sogeking, not Usopp (kinda hard to structure the article this way). I say just wait till chapter 436 is out (very soon), and we'll get more answers. - Tekoteko 04:50, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Well then, as of now it will be removed until Usopp and Franky SAY, as in first person, that they join. Kurigiri 15:55, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Stop re-adding Usopp! he is not back on the crew yet! Kurigiri 07:38, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Franky is now officially in the crew. - STAREYe 01:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GAHOOO Pirates

Are they from one of the movies, or is it pure vandlism? It seems to be the latter. I've yet to see movies 6-7 though, so I'm asking here. Kurigiri 18:09, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Their from the new intro... Crazy Rainbow Star or something [[1]]. Its the word 'GAHOO' written on their sail, but thats not ness. their name in my opinion. And I doubt the intros really count...

From an intro? are we that petty? I'm removing it. Kurigiri 18:58, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

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