User talk:Storm05/Archive 2

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Contents 1 Hurricane articles again 2 Your articles 3 hurricane template 4 Hurricane Ivan (1980) 5 Duel contribution 6 Re: Fantasy Season 7 Ginny pic 8 Subtropical Storm and Links 9 Kyle and Jose 10 Image Tagging Image:Betsy 1956 track.jpg 11 Naming list 12 Re: Hurricane Kyle 13 contractions 14 Re-analysis Link 15 Wanna help with a project? 16 Photo courtesy NOAA 17 Re: Questions 18 Inflation 19 grammar 20 Re: Hypothetical Disaster 21 camille photos 22 Vandals 23 Categories 24 Introduction 25 List of disaster movies expanded 26 Re: Hurricane Names 27 Hello 28 Why, why, why? 29 Re: Mystery Users/1958 Altantic hurricane season 30 Image sources 31 RE:Tracks 32 Clare and Storm Pics 33 Possible Storms 34 Request for edit summary

[edit] Hurricane articles again

Please stop stealing text and posting it on Wikipedia. I believe much of Hurricane Gaston article is simply stolen from the Times-Dispatch. You also copied an entire section of Hurricane Lili from a newspaper (which I deleted). If you do this any more we will not be able to trust anything you write! Jdorje 05:49, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Also, was a Barry or Bill article really necessary? It would have been fine it there was a lot more info, but the storms just didn't do that much. Sorry to let you know, but they, along with Debby from 1988, will very likely get merged, similar to other of your articles. If you are getting annoyed, you might want to ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tropical cyclones if the storms warrant articles. There's also a list of requested storm articles if you're interested, just so they don't keep getting merged and more or less deleted. Hurricanehink 19:57, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your articles

Sorry your articles keep getting merged, but when there is minimal information in an article, it will likely be merged. Most of the important storms are already done. I'll ask again. What is wrong with adding new information to the hurricane season, rather than creating a new article about it? That is why they are there. Only a few of your articles have been kept, and they required a lot of work to keep them alive. Hurricanehink 16:16, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Storm05, why do you insist on making new articles without decent content and without discussing them first? Are you actually reading any of our messages? All you have to do is go to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Tropical cyclones and discuss new articles; there's a long list of candidate storms. Jdorje 19:50, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Storm05, why do you insist on making new articles without decent content and without discussing them first? Are you actually reading any of our messages? All you have to do is go to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Tropical cyclones and discuss new articles; there's a long list of candidate storms. Please reply! There are so many storms that need articles, and existing articles that need so much work, yet you spend all your time writing about non-notable storms! Jdorje 23:08, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] hurricane template

Please add {{hurricane}} to the talk pages of hurricane articles you write. Jdorje 19:19, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hurricane Ivan (1980)

I'd advise against making an Ivan article unless there is significant information outside of the storm history. Hurricanehink 16:14, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Duel contribution

Hi Storm5; may I why you added Phantom vehicle to Duel? Best wishes, Walter Siegmund (talk) 17:46, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

I added Phantom vehicle to Duel because the film involves a mysterious vehicle (which is the truck).—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Storm05 (talk • contribs) 18:22, 18 January 2006. (copied from User talk:Wsiegmund)

Thank you for your reply. My reading of Phantom vehicle is that its essential feature is that it disappears in a supernatural (ghostly) manner or has a supernatural (spirit) occupant. I don't think there is anything supernatural about the truck or driver in Duel, although I agree that the driver is mysterious. Am I mistaken? Best wishes, Walter Siegmund (talk) 19:50, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Fantasy Season

To be honest, I make fantasy tracking maps in my spare time. I'm not sure if computer scenarios could be created, but guessing is always fine. To reduce being disrespectful to coastal areas, I also made a fake ocean with fake cities. I'm not sure where you could find computer scenarios, but with enough knowledge of hurricane tracks and how hurricanes move, seasons could be created with a little creativity. Have fun if that's where you are going to do. Oh yea, thanks for doing the storm images and track maps for 1991... saved a bit of time. Keep it up. Hurricanehink 23:28, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ginny pic

You uploaded Image:63tirosvii_19.JPG. But you didn't give any source information. Without knowing where this came from, administrators are likely to remove it. Jdorje 19:29, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Also, you should upload your images to wikipedia commons. Jdorje 19:29, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Don't tell me...put it in the text for the picture! It is important that anyone can verify the source of the image. This applies to all the other images you've uploaded too (nice work, btw). Jdorje 19:35, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Subtropical Storm and Links

I'm not sure about the April Subtropical Storm, but the January Subtropical Storm article you made simply wasn't quite notable enough, nor did it have enough information. Can you link to the article where it was redirected to, and we'll so from there?

One more thing. Make sure to say where the images you uploaded from. A lot of them are nice, especially the damage ones, but without a link, how are we supposed to know if they are in the public domain? Keep it up. Hurricanehink 21:43, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh. I wouldn't put that in. The NHC did not upgrade it, and the page is only for official tropical cyclones. There have been many tropical disturbances they should have upgraded, but until they are the most you can do is put it in talk pages. Sorry to let you down. Hurricanehink 14:44, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Also, some of the images you uploaded aren't uploadable. Some of them say Copyright, can be used freely (or something like that), but the website says it's copyrighted and you can't upload it. Unless you got the author's permission, you are not allowed to put them on Wikipedia. Hurricanehink 14:47, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Not sure about the images... ask an administrator. Just to let you know, do not add Atlantic hurricane information to the list of notable tropical cyclones. There is an Atlantic page located at List of notable Atlantic hurricanes. Also, about the hurricane request list, Weather underground is not official, and has been wrong in the past. Hurricane Fox, according to the official monthly weather review, killed 0 people. Hurricanehink 17:32, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

They will probably be deleted. Hurricanehink 19:40, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kyle and Jose

Before I start, why don't you add information to the seasonal article? You never answer that, and continue to make articles for unimportant storms.

Alright. Kyle and Jose aren't bad. Let's look at Jose first. The storm history is nice, but if one paragraph gets a little too long, you can break it up by important stages of a hurricane's history. Be sure to spell check, and, if possible, copy and paste your page into Microsoft Word to use their Spell check. Also, choose preview before saving so you can see the red links on the page. That typically means it is misspelled, so if you preview, you can fix it before letting it out there. There is no need to link to the Jose report 4 times in one paragraph, rather it is fine being at the end of the paragraph. For the storm history, I give it a C+.

Wait a second, I rate it a D-. The storm history was basically stolen from the NHC report. You can't do that, even if you do change the wording in places.

The impact section needs some work. If you go island by island, you should make separate paragraphs where necessary. However, Jose only hit a small area, and much of the impact section could have been placed in the season summary, but that's for a different argument. You mention how severe the flooding was, but you don't give any totals. The NHC report gives rainfall totals down towards the bottom. Using that information, you could have said Rainfall was torrential across the islands, amounting to a maximum of 13.75 inches in Sint Maarten. There were two people killed from the storm, but you only mention one in the storm section. You could also state its effects in Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands amounted to less than $5 million im damage from Jose's light to moderate rainfall, or something like that. One final thing. The perfect article would have an impact section equal in size to the storm history, if not greater. The storm history can easily be summarized, but the impact is the reason why a storm has an article. This is why Jdorje and I stress the existance of the seasonal articles; storms might have flooded an area and destroyed some houses, and with some elaboration it is perfect. This is especially true when a storm simply didn't do that much. You elaborated, which is good, but how much more can you really say for a hurricane that moved through the Lesser Antilles, killing only 2 and causing minor damage? I give it a D, but that's just my opinion.

For Kyle, I have one major problem. You more or less copied and pasted from the NHC report. Second, you "say" that the storm was the 3rd longest in history, based on what the NHC said, but if you looked at the table to the right, it very clearly says Kyle was 4th. Next, the entire impact section is taken from the NHC report. You cannot do that. I give it an F- due to lack of actual research, and I don't really see a way to improve it. Kyle was simply a long-lasting hurricane and caused little damage when it made landfall. There is no real need for an article like that, when the NHC report is easily available.

Hopefully you aren't offended by this, but it is the truth. You have to learn to start adding to the seasonal articles. Keep trying, and hopefully you'll get it soon. See you around. Hurricanehink 20:42, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

It's good to see you add some more, but there is such a thing as too much information. For Kyle, there's no need to write 10 lines about school closings or the lack thereof. The storm simply wasn't notable. I moved the request thing and the replacement list to Talk:2005 Atlantic hurricane season/Speculation, where it belongs. I was pleased to see you add more info all around to some sections in the seasonal articles. Good job with that. Could you possibly check your spelling next time, though? Hurricanehink 17:20, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

FEMA was slow because damage was so minimal. Most citizens were able to recover from the light damage. Hurricanehink 18:08, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

I guess you can do what hink says-just keep my LNSB have Kyle and Jose,where they were.Right hink?HurricaneCraze32 23:48, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Jose doesn't even belong there Craze. It is completely non-notable. Only fish-spinners have less notability. Storm05, the impact section on Hurricane Kyle has little benefit because the storm did next to nothing. Just gusty winds and some rain, that's it. Articles on storms that have little claim to fame shouldn't be created...period. -- §HurricaneERIC§ archive 18:08, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image Tagging Image:Betsy 1956 track.jpg

Eh, I hated that message. Long story short, you can't simply say "copyrighted with all uses allowed" without giving evidence of who owns the copyright and that all uses are, in fact, allowed. I'm pretty sure Unisys made that image, and I don't know if they maintain a copyright on it or not. We make our own paths here for just that reason. --Golbez 23:46, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

I also note Image:ElenaHOUSE.jpg, Image:Frederic4.jpg, Image:Wash hugo.jpg, and Image:Hugo4.jpg lack this info as well. You give the link where the pic came from; please give the link of the PAGE where the pic was initially linked from, or the page which has the copyright info. I just looked for info on the Hugo4 pic, and I see no evidence at all that they allow all usage. Please find this out, or let me know that the images should be deleted. They're nice, but we have to be careful of copyrights here. Thanks. --Golbez 23:50, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Then please don't say "copyrighted, all uses allowed" when you don't know. We can make our own tracks here, I think Jdorje does it. --Golbez 18:49, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Naming list

It isn't bad, but it belongs at the spectulation page on the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season. I think suitable replacements would be Derek, Eve, Kendra, Ruth, Sean, and Whitney. Hurricanehink 20:37, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Not a bad list of replacements, though isn't Wallis a male name (to replace Wilma)? Also, isn't Eevee a type of Pokemon :-) Unfortunately, Xavier is in use in the Eastern Pacific, so you'll have to pick another male X name. Personally, I think the X, Y, Z naming on the Atlantic should be Xander, Yvette, and Zachary for odd years, with Xanthe, Yuri, and Zola for even years. Hurricanehink 22:48, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Hurricane Kyle

Regarding E. Brown's talk page, do you ever listen? The problems he and I have are the excessive details. You take 10 sentences to destribe the school closings, and hype up the minor damage that occurred, but $5 million in damage and 4 deaths are not notable enough for an article. There are exceptions, but the storm simply didn't do that much. There simply aren't many other storms to write about now, as most of the older, important ones are already made. Ignoring the storm history, what makes this storm notable? How much of an impact did it really have? Hurricanehink 17:35, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] contractions

Don't use contractions in formal writing. Jdorje 19:28, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re-analysis Link

Are you sure it doesn't work? I just tried it, and it worked fine for me. If you're interested, here is a link to that (at the bottom), among other re-analized seasons. Hurricanehink 14:01, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wanna help with a project?

Currently, I am working on a complete redo for the Hurricane Georges article. As you can probably imagine, it is a lot of work, due to the large area it affected. You do a good job researching and finding links, so I was wondering if you would be able to help for the article? The storm history, Leeward Islands, and Puerto Rico are already done, leaving a lot of places left to do. You don't have to help, but it seems you have a keen interest in hurricanes. If you have another idea in mind, that's fine, but I just thought I'd ask. Hurricanehink 22:34, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Photo courtesy NOAA

1. You don't have to say this since if the photo is actually from NOAA it is public domain.
2. For your Bret pic, the source you give is a geocities one. This is no good since the geocities page just copied the image. We need to try to find the original NOAA source. In general, when doing google searches I use the image search and add "site:noaa.gov" on the end. This generally turns up some decent pictures that are always usable.

Nice work adding pictures by the way. — jdorje (talk) 16:57, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Questions

Are you kidding me?!?! It's February! Most seasons don't see anything until July, and we've already seen something in January (Zeta). You gotta have more patience. While I believe we may see a pre-season storm, the tropics don't heat up for another 120+ days. If you are really bored, watch some of the southern hemisphere storms, for it is their season right now. Hurricanehink 20:11, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Jenny was the 9th storm but the 10th named storm. Inga reached tropical storm status prior to Jenny, but Jenny was a tropical depression for days prior to Inga's formation. The Pacific typhoon articles aren't really ignored. You, HERB (I think), and I have been working on them. The thing is, people don't care much about older seasons around the world. The same goes for the Atlantic. Many seasons have been edited very little since I first wrote them a few months ago, and those who did edit them were among the Hurricane Ten; a group of hurricane writers who write about storms older than 20 years ago. That list includes me, E. Brown, Jdorje, Rattleman, you, Miss Madeline, HERB, and a few others.

It would be next to impossible to have 80 to 100 storms in a single season. The most around the entire world was around 40 in the Western Pacific during the 1960's, and that was extreme at the time. If it's the Atlantic, it would likely have to be 80 very weak storms, as too many large and strong hurricanes would absorb too much warm water. The season would have to be hyperactive, having at least 15 storms by June 1. The only way I can think of it happening would be if there was continual wind shear to reduce their strengths, but very warm water temperatures to allow storms to form. In all, I doubt you or I will see a 80+ season in our lifetime, and only a few seasons to see Greek letters again.

Good job with the movie list, though it might have a better purpose as a category. Another option might be to categorize. Maybe color code them, or separate them into sections on the page, like Airplane Disasters, Boating Disasters, Tornadoes, Hurricanes, etc. Looking through, I would hardly call Lord of the Flies and Godzilla are hardly disaster movies. Maybe you should bring up a discussion of what types of movies should be there on that talk page?

As far as I know, hurricane/typhoon winds can not exceed much greater than 200 mph. The friction from the winds to the ocean becomes to great at around 200 mph, at which point it would weaken. Some early typhoons were estimated to have winds of over 200, but they were estimated based on faulty reconaissance information.

Hurricanes and typhoons can technically cross the equator. However, the corolis force is so weak that the storm would weaken before crossing. In addition, steering currents around the world generally go from equatorward to poleward, meaning a storm in the northern hemisphere typically goes northward after forming. There has never been a case of a storm crossing, but in 2004 Cyclone Agni came the closest. If a storm did somehow cross over, it would likely retain the direction of its circulation for a period of time before the overall atmosphere causes the circulation to dissipate. The remnants could reform if it encounters favorable enough conditions, but then its circulation would turn to the opposite direction. Remember, tropical cyclones are areas of low pressure. If it would cross over, it would remain an area of low pressure. I am not sure of high pressures, but I would guess a similar occurrence would happen; it would keep its circulation until dissipating, then reform as the opposite circulation.

There has never been a case of a storm going from the Atlantic to the Indian Ocean. The furthest was Cesar in 1996, which made it to 130º West. Storms in the Eastern Pacific have gone through the Central Pacific, and some rare ones, like Dora in 2000 and John in 1994, made it to the Western Pacific. However, the Western Pacific is a very large basin, and nothing from the Central Pacific has made it further than 160º East. The West Pacific goes to 90º East, of which a number of storms have gone from there to the North Indian ocean. Generally, global conditions are typically unfavorable for tropical cyclone development, and when it becomes favorable enough in one ocean, the next is likely ridden with shear. It would require truly extraordinary conditions to allow something from, let's say, the Caribbean Sea to cross Central America, then move across the Eastern Pacific, which has lots of shear past 125º West, then have warm enough water temperatures to keep its old circulation going, then cross the entire Western Pacific, then, without a trough of low pressure or a high pressure system, continue westward to the Indian Ocean. I think it is safe to say it has never happened and likely never will (though in the days of Pangea they might have been able to traverse the entire world... who knows?). Hurricanehink 20:49, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Inflation

I see you added the dollar amounts in 2005 USD for some of the older storms, but a lot of your totals are off. The address we typically use is http://www.westegg.com/inflation/ . This results in amounts lesser than what you were using, and is closer to the official NHC totals. Hurricanehink 17:38, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] grammar

Please check your grammar and spelling when writing things. ALmost every one of the edits you've done today is bad english. — jdorje (talk) 18:17, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Hypothetical Disaster

Nice work with that. However, I prefer to work on things that actually happened. It would be hard to find references for something like that, and it just lists things that could happen. There's too many possibities that there isn't really a need for that article, simply because it mainly links to other articles. Good luck finishing it though, as it could get better. Hurricanehink 16:23, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm not exactly sure, but I think this is how it goes. Tropical cyclones can produce lightning, but it is relatively rare. The reason is because tropical cyclones are warm core systems, and lightning occurrs in the instability of warm and cold air. Earthquakes never happen from a hurricane, though I would guess it is possible for a hurricane to cause readings on seismographs.

I'm not exactly sure about the hurricane season page you mentioned on my talk page. That's cool that you archived some of your articles you made. You can call the Perfect Storm Hurricane Henri on your page, but you shouldn't really call it such outside of talk pages. Most people refer it as Hurricane 8, but I agree, it should have been called Henri. Hurricanehink 21:23, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] camille photos

Yes but all those photos are copyrighted; we cannot use them. — jdorje (talk) 17:47, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandals

Some vandall who calls him (or her)self Prize Popple, came on to my page and put junk in it! 204.238.183.62 21:16, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Categories

Please comment out the categories from your page at User:Storm05/Hurricanes. They are filling out real categories with a page that shouldn't be in those categories, and is mis-sorted to boot. See for instance Category:Florida hurricanes. — jdorje (talk) 23:31, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Introduction

Hello my name is E-Series and im going to be working hard on Wikipedia E-Series 16:19, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of disaster movies expanded

I see that you did some work on List of disaster movies. I expanded on it, made a few headings, and added a few more films. Hope you like it. If you do or do not, let me know, please. Lady Aleena 14:20, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Hurricane Names

The reason hurricane names are English, Spanish, and French is because those who are affected by hurricanes in the Atlantic Ocean speak English (Canada, US, some Lesser Antilles Islands), Spanish (Mexico, Central America, Puerto Rico, Cuba, etc.), and French (Haiti, parts of eastern Canada, Saint Martin). For the most part, few names of other cultures are widespread enough in the countries around the Atlantic Ocean, with the possible exception of African-Americans. Would it make sense to have a hurricane named Chanchu, Pyarr, or Giuseppe? Not really, because the cultures are prodominately those 3 languages. Hurricanehink 00:47, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Yea, too bad we didn't see Alberto from that storm earlier in February. Hurricanehink 15:45, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Yea, the Southern Hemisphere ones were cool. here is a list of some Mediterranean ones in a collection of my own. Hurricanehink 15:55, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

Its me again, I forgot to tell you my real name. My name is Polka Dottie and heres my friends and parents. [1]E-Series 16:37, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why, why, why?

Why do you just keep on churning out low-quality article after low-quality article about non-notable merge-worthy hurricanes? Why can't you add information about storms to the season articles instead? Why will you not ever discuss the creation of these articles, or explain why you keep making them? — jdorje (talk) 19:16, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Mystery Users/1958 Altantic hurricane season

Yea, they are a little annoying. I don't even know why I wasted my time with those questions. Also, what is wrong with their typing? There's no need on line to d-d-d-o something like what I just did.

As for the 1958 hurricanes, you should have taken a step back and see if they were truly notable first. Janice did nothing, and the tidbits should be added into the article. Ella might be notable enough to stay, given the 38 deaths, but it would need a lot more information. Helene is somewhat like Ella. The path (nearly a Cat. 4 landfall) is very interesting, but the damage isn't very high. This could stay, but it needs a lot more, so yes, I'll agree with you.

As for improving existing articles, you should look up and try to find some sources. You have a great talent for that, and I just wish you could put it to better use. You should just pick a random stub or start article, look up some sources (the National Hurricane Center archives of the Monthly Weather Review are great starts, or just google it), and add some information. If you need a start, you could help with a project of mine. I am trying to raise every retired Atlantic hurricane article to at least a B class; add a lot more information by doing some research. I consider you a very valuable asset to the team, but we just need you to work on some existing stuff. I hope you consider what we all say. None of us like seeing a hurricane article go (except maybe E. Brown, but that's a different story :) and you wouldn't be wasting your time on articles that will get merged if you work on some existing stuff. Good luck, and feel free to ask questions to whomever. Talk to you later. Hurricanehink 22:05, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Yea, I talked to him (her? it? they?). Hopefully the message gets through. I just hope the whole situation is over soon, and we can back to some normalcy. Hurricanehink 01:28, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image sources

You have to give the sources of your images. In Image:Helenepath.JPG you mark it as coming from NOAA, but you give no source link so there is no way to confirm this. Just give a link to the NOAA page that provided the image! Otherwise it's only a matter of time before an admin deletes that image. — jdorje (talk) 17:17, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

whawt is a n image sourenc><>?.E-Series 17:39, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RE:Tracks

I actually made them myself. It took quite a bit of work, but it turned out looking just like the others do. I still have to figure out something to put for the satellite image ;) . Weatherman90 23:27, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Clare and Storm Pics

First, you cannot rate your own articles. Check Clare's talk page for more.

For the storm pics, they are fairly redundant. If you with to do that, you should bring it up first somewhere. The paths are right inside the article link. It would be one thing if every storm had its path, but currently it doesn't. Hurricanehink 23:16, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Possible Storms

You should add the Nor'easter/hurricane of 1994 to your list of possible storms. Also, since some people think it may've been (sub)tropical, I'd also add the Blizzard of 2006 to your list. Icelandic Hurricane 01:27, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

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