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[edit] Miklós Horthy

Hi Stlemur, could you please read the discussion at Talk:Miklós Horthy#Nazi leader and #Category:Fascists..., and rethink your recent addition of {{FascismProject}} based on the info there? Thanks, KissL 08:42, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm not accusing Horthy of having been a fascist; nor, I think, does anything in the template make that accusation. The Horthy regime, however, is very important in the history of fascism. If you want to remove him from List of fascists I think that would be reasonable; I didn't put him there. Stlemur 08:52, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

It is true that most of what Hungary had to with fascism happened during the Horthy regime, but the article is about the person, and there seems to be a consensus that he was not a Fascist. It is also true that the template does not say that he was one, but it only provides two possible reasons for appearing on the page - "This article may be listed on an index of fascist movements or people" -, so it does imply he was one.

I removed him from the list of Fascists (along with some copyediting of the same) and I also removed the template for now; however I have nothing against you (or anyone) putting back the template with a clearer wording as to why it is there (until we get a separate article about that specific period in Hungary's history where we could probably put the template without significant objections). KissL 14:50, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Northern League

Northern League: not that I really disagree, but I bet you'll take some flak for this. The thing is that "fascism" is such a loaded word. Trying to define who is and who isn't is tough, and putting up that template suggests that you've decided the matter. -- Jmabel | Talk 02:06, September 9, 2005 (UTC)

Eh, flak is flak. I have a definition derived from established Wikipedia definitions, and I'm not unreasonable. The first page of this project will involve mostly pruning anyway, I figured. Stlemur 06:29, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiproject Fascism

Sure, I can give my input, do you have any specific things you would care to know, or me to do? I'm just wondering. The Fascist Chicken 02:13, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Well, at the moment we're still even considering basic definitions over what counts as a fascist movement. Something else I could really use is good sources on movements outside of Germany & Italy. In particular, what do you think is the relationship between fascism and falangism, and where do governments like the Estado Novo fit in? — Stlemur 02:22, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
having seen the definition, how does this relate to Nazi's like James Mason (National Socialist)? I think there might be problems with yr definition, or should National Socialism be seen as something different? Harrypotter 17:58, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Expertise needed at Greek fascism

Hi. An anon is strongly objecting to the article as it now stands, and is being rather bold in editing it. The attention of an expert would be very helpful. Jkelly 22:46, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Please check out RfC related to National Bolsheviks

Please check out and comment on the Rfc filed against me for trying to have NBP libel about me removed. Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/69.253.195.228

[edit] List of fascist movements by country

Sorry about taking so long to get back to you on this. I reckon you've done a great job on this overall. I'll work on getting entries up for some of the red links (I've already done Parti Populaire Français, Falange Boricua and New Triumph Party since yesterday) and adding any more I come across. Otherwise, well done. Keresaspa 14:22, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Article - Human sexual behavior

FYI the revert on Human sexual behavior ended up reverting changes by another user, which for the most part looked constructive. I was going to try and fix, but didnt want to step on any toes

J\/\/estbrook       22:27, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Hm...usually when that happens Wikipedia gives me an editing conflict warning. - Stlemur 22:41, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Just wanted to let you know J\/\/estbrook       22:56, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sinn Féin/I.R.A. & the Maori Party are fascists

Sinn Féin/I.R.A. & the Maori Party are definitely fascist organisations, as Sinn Féin/I.R.A. have been actively involved in 'ethnic cleansing' of Protestants from both parts of the isle of Ireland since 1916, whereas, one of the leaders of the so-called 'Maori Party', Tariana Turia was directly involved in leading illegal occupations of both private property & public parks (most notably, Moutoa Gardens in Wanganui back in 1995). Tariana Turia is hated by a lot of people. There are some people in Wanganui who want her to be put to death for treason, which the illegal occupation of Moutoa Gardens was. That is why both these organisations must be listed as fascist organisations. - (Aidan Work 03:40, 11 January 2006 (UTC))

These comments have been copied to Talk:Sinn Féin and Talk:Māori Party for discussion. --Stlemur 08:29, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Made me smile!

I just wanted to drop a quick note to say thanks for the amusing (yet entirely appropriate) edit summary on your recent reversion on the cider article. Thanks! Jamse 09:39, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks :-D --Stlemur 14:13, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chadian-Sudanese conflict

A long time ago you voted against moving the page to Chadian-Sudanese War. You might want to reconsider your vote, based on new information documented in the latest Human Rights Watch report on the situation. Yesterday French troops were deployed in Borota, Chad to fight Sudanese militias[1] and the Janjaweed, Sudanese military, and RDL rebels apparently worked together to "empty villages" in eastern Chad. At least over 1,000 people have died, and the conflict is definitely not over despite the signing of the Tripoli Accord. I am urging other users to do the same. KI 00:31, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request for edit summary

Hi. I am a bot, and I am writing to you with a request. I would like to ask you, if possible, to use edit summaries a bit more often when you contribute. The reason an edit summary is important is because it allows your fellow contributors to understand what you changed; you can think of it as the "Subject:" line in an email. For your information, your current edit summary usage is 41% for major edits and 58% for minor edits. (Based on the last 150 major and 150 minor edits in the article namespace.)

This is just a suggestion, and I hope that I did not appear impolite. You do not need to reply to this message, but if you would like to give me feedback, you can do so at the feedback page. Thank you, and happy edits, Mathbot 03:00, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Pro Patria Union (Estonia)

There is no reason for giving reference to fascism there; actually, i'd consider as vandalism or an act by a completely ignorant user. The party just another conservative IDU and EPP member, the only thing that makes it look more nationalistic (compared to German CDU/CSU or British conservatives) is its past pro-independence fight against the Soviet occupation. (Compared to precedents of today's Estonian Centre Party and Social Democrats, PPU was more radical at the time). Thus, the party is conservative (plus christian democratic to a certain extent) with an emphasis on patriotism. --Constanz - Talk 12:40, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

And our independence Party (see fascist parties list/history) is an euro-skeptic centrist party, and no way far-right. Eesti Rahvuslaste Erakond (really a small far-right group) has been extinct for almost a decade, so I'd like to know, who really made such ridiculous and inappropriate changes? --Constanz - Talk 12:44, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

As I see you're contributing to articles smth to do with fascism, I've recently created Jean-Louis Tixier-Vignancour (from fr.wiki) You might revise it.--Constanz - Talk 14:08, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

I think your last changes on "Pro Patria" are not NPOV at all, as "far right" is not intrinsically POV, it is only understood so by some people. Okay, maybe it should be documented more. But Constanz is completely downplaying what is really up with this party, which shares many views, localized of course, with the post-Mussolini party in Italy, the LePen people in France, and so on. And if you take a classic indicator of Faschism, they might not fully match, but you will check off many items as well, including a certain militaristic touch. I think it is just ridiculous to say that because they are in some group in the Eurpoean Parliament, they must also be part of that system; these affiliations are skewed and where basically voluntary in the beginning. That Isamaaliit moved to the far right in the 2000s is absolutely clear, and nobody, not even the party itself, contests that. It is maybe not an issue some time very soon, because they go together now with another party, but for accuracy's sake, this is not okay. 84.174.242.49 06:32, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] USSR

I'm intrigued as to why you removed my comment on Chuck Berry and the Beatles' use of the term 'Georgia' on their records, describing it as 'speculation'. Do you really think that it is speculation to say that Chuck Berry was talking about the US State while the Beatles were talking about the Soviet Republic? For great justice. 23:45, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

On the one hand, Wikipedia users are not stupid and can recognize a pun. On the other, "Georgia on My Mind" is a Ray Charles song. --Stlemur 23:56, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Re Ray Charles, you are right, re Wikipedia users, you have no idea whether Wikipedia users have the cultural background to know this. Imagine a Kenyan schoolchild looking this up, with little knowledge of US or Soviet geography or culture. Please try not to write just for educated Americans. For great justice. 02:49, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

People other than Americans know where both Georgias are. If it's such an obscure fact, then why include the words "of course" in your statement of it? --Stlemur 10:51, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

So take out 'of course'. I think its not clear that everyone outside of the US knows that both the US and the USSR had / have Georgias. For great justice. 16:52, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] signatures, article titles

  • Could you sign your comments with four tildas (~~~~)? That puts your name there, with a link to your user page, and the date and time.
  • Fubini's Theorem with a capital initial "T" is not a correct article title. That's why the link you created didn't work. I've created the redirect page. Michael Hardy 02:09, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Albanian Fascist Party

Haha, that's very you. --Awiseman 17:48, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cider House

You've removed totally my reference out, so I've reinstated it for the time being (with a slight qualification) and pointed you back to talk. The cider house in Halmore, Berkeley was quite well known and 'cider house Halmore' will produce some revealing hits in Google. By the time I thought I really ought to visit (circa 1975) it had effectively stopped (the old lady who ran it had died I think) but our secretary at work was able to describe her visit to me. The house name 'old cider house' is not infrequent in this part of the world, but none that I know of now function. The basic drift of what I wrote is thereby pretty clearly correct - tweak but don't totally remove please. :-) Bob aka Linuxlad 08:05, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Golden Ale

Good start. Yes, Golden Ale has become a recognised style. It does divide into two areas - the lager style, as you've indicated, and the wheat style. It is different to the American Blonde Ale. Keep up the good work! SilkTork 00:50, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bad Joke?

[2]? --Matthead 07:16, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes. --Stlemur 07:34, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Reverted. Laugh if you want, but keep your fingers off. --Matthead 16:21, 19 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Maltese "Fascist" Parties

Partit Nazzjonalista is not fascist and neither is Imperium Europa! You are offending my country and our political parties by saying so! From where the hell did you get this information? The former is a Christian Democratic party and the latter is a Pan-europeanism/Libertarian party. Secondly, the Malta Nationalist Socialist Party doesn't even exist, and in fact their supposed official website contains no information. Actually, NOBODY has ever heard of this party except you, apparently. Drew88 12:59, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

In the case of the former, we have, at the very least, a close association with Italy during WWII which is worthy of investigation. It is entirely possible that the party is not fascist now -- parties move around the map all the time -- but an historic association makes it worth including on the list.
In the case of Imperium Europa, though, the version of the party you portray with your edits is flatly in contradiction with the previous revisions of the article. This is something that's going to have to be hammered out through both sides comparing evidence.
Finally, I think it's important to make a distinction as to who is being offended. If your country is offended, your ambassador is welcome to write me a letter, as are the secretaries of any parties I may have offended. Certainly, the firsthand source material would be welcome. If you're offended, though, all I can say is, present your evidence for your version of the facts, other editors will present theirs, and we'll see what comes up. --Stlemur 13:45, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Itbox

Hi, I'm just wondering why you think the Itbox article reads like an advertisement. It was contributed to by users of fruitchat.co.uk and we are far from being lovers of the industry. I would edit it myself but I can't really work out which parts you consider to be non-neutral. 86.10.102.39 14:35, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Consensus

When you're making a huge change to a collaborative project — as you just did to WikiProject:Beer's goals and then before that in trying to eliminate Category:Microbreweries — you've got, got, got to seek Wikipedia:Consensus. That means at least some discussion beforehand, somewhere where people interested in the subject will know to look for it.

Yes, I know, WP:BOLD. See the "Note also..." section in that guideline. --Stlemur 12:41, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure of your objection. I understand that you are not happy with my rewording of the goals. The Goals section was written a while ago and needed adjusting. "Getting stewed to the brim" is amusing frat talk, but is not suitable for a serious encyclopedia project. Wikipedia is a collaborative editing process. If you are not happy with my exact wording, then please make adjustments. That's what this open policy is about. A total revert is not the most delicate way of editing and tends to lead to hostility. Which wording would you be happier with? SilkTork 12:55, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

You didn't "reword" the goals, you substantively changed them without discussion. What I would be happy with is discussion. --Stlemur 13:01, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
I've done a little more rewording. I've done it in stages to make it easier to undo sections. Have a look and let me know what you think. SilkTork 13:04, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Beer & brewery notability criteria discusion document

A discussion document has been opened up. Wikipedia:WikiProject Beer/Notability Criteria. Please put in your views either on the main page or on the attached talk page. SilkTork 17:59, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Let's talk

Hi Stlemur. I am concerned at what people are saying, and I do wish to get to the heart of the problem. Clearly there must be an aspect or aspects of my editing and/or attitude that is annoying and frustrating people like yourself. The incidents that are mentioned are small in themselves, and - to my eye - are part of the collaborative editing of Wikipedia, moving it forward. I make very many beer edits, much of which is stub sorting which either entails a merge, a redirect, or an expansion of the article. It is not, to my understanding, in the nature of Wiki that consensus is sought for what are essentially everyday edits. But I can feel from your frustration, that there must be a pattern in my editing that you are uncomfortable with. I totally apologise for any aspect of my behaviour in the past that has annoyed you, and promise to do better in the future. I am hoping that with your help I can learn from this experience and move forward. Please talk to me and let me know your underlying concerns which the recent edits have highlighted. SilkTork 13:39, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Following goethean's and your response I am going through my past talk pages and starting to list the conflicts so I can see where I am going wrong. As I responded to goethean, I had a rough ride from the start, especially from Mais oui! Looking around at other talk pages, it seemed that rudeness and conflict was not unusual on the Wiki project. Added to which, I have noted that people tend to be ruder when talking on the internet than when using other means of communication, so the hostility seemed to stem from general internet rudeness and "Wiki stress". I am still analysing the information, but as I indicated to goethean, it is possible I started to adopt a defensive arrogance as those who were challenging me admitted they had little beer knowledge, while those who did have some beer knowledge were congratulating me. I'm not using any of this as a defensive, but as the start of an attempt to understand the problem, and perhaps an admission of arrogance on my part is the beginnings of solving the problem. I really appreciate the efforts you are going through in helping me to come to terms with this issue, and if - as it is starting to appear - I have been guilty of arrogant rudeness to you in the past I feel somewhat ashamed and hope you will accept my apology and the hand of friendship. I do not wish to make enemies. I would rather make friends. SilkTork 19:15, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Look who I found

User:Shawn_Pickrell --Awiseman 08:34, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey, how's it going? Wikipedia is a great thing, isn't it? I am still married to Rebecca and life is good. Shawn Pickrell 01:10, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fan Dance

You urged for a merger of 'Fan Dance' with 'Fan dance (exercise)'. I cannot immediately find such in the WP:MM related pages. I contributed to the latter article today, including a reference (with its own bibliography) that is not stated in either article. I also created a redirect from 'Long Drag'. I would oppose to either title for the merger: it should be 'Fan Dance (exercise)' because I find only capital D in this context (and there is an unrelated article Fan Dance (album) but it seems incorrect to assume that the SAS meaning is more generally known and thus the article 'Fan Dance' must become a disambiguity page to the album and to the excercise, not replace either one).
You created the article and started a merger process (possibly without mentioning it in the appropriate WP:PM list?), I leave it up to you to follow-up by performing the merger and finally WP:Move the current article to the name I suggested here. — SomeHuman 23 Sep 2006 11:54 (UTC)

[edit] Lookie what I made

Please check it out. Moreton wave --AW 22:58, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

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