Talk:Stjepan Mesić

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Contents 1 Mesic`s crticism on Tudman 2 Quotes 3 Presidents' Flag 4 Unsourced quotes

[edit] Mesic`s crticism on Tudman

One should mention that while Mesic heavily criticizes Tudman and accuses him of wanting to divide Bosnia with Milosevic, he could not deliver any valuable proof for his statements. There are many politicians in Croatia (not only extreme right wing) who do not share Mesic`s point of view and say that there was no agreement, which can be best seen in the fact that Serbs and Croats were at war with each other all the time. Nonetheless his staments seem to be gladly accepted as facts by the western society as it just supports their negative attitude towards Tudman.

Mesic`s reason for leaving HDZ (the probable division of Bosnia by Tudman and Milosevic) is also highly questionable as he left the party AFTER Croats and Muslims signed a truce in Bosnia. If HDZ`s policy was such a problem for him he could have left the party in 1993 when the fiercest fighting occured and many war crimes on both sides were commited.

One should also bear in mind that Mesic after his departure from HDZ was a political enemy to Tudman, so one should read his statements and accusations with caution, as they can not be unbiased. They are just his point of view which is unfortantelly often accepted as the ultimate truth.

[edit] Quotes

The quotes that do not show Mesic in the best light should not be removed on that basis! According to Jimbo Wales, in an incident with politicians from US Senate, whose staff were removing material from wikipedia, it is against wikipedia policies to remove material on the basis that it is not favourable to a political party/personality FedorPetrich 20:57, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

That was not the reason for their removal; the quotes are uncited and insignificant. --AHrvojic 00:18, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

They are very significant, as they show the policies of HDZ at the time. The quotes were widely cited at the time, had frightened Krajina Serbs, and that fact alone makes them significant. They are also part of the evidence at ICTY. This is how Mesic is seen by Krajina Serbs, and according to wikipedia policies, NPOV text should contain the quotes relevant to public perception of Mesic - and that includes perception of ALL people, not just Croats or his supporters! FedorPetrich 01:20, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, I still doubt their significance and I disagree with what you say they show, but the fact remains that you haven't provided any official sources for these quotes, nor any context. If they've been entered as ICTY evidence, then you should find the transcripts online if possible and make it clear who entered them as such. Your point is well-taken, though you shouldn't assume that all Croats automatically support Mesic--I'm only interested in a fair article, regardless of whether I like everything in it or not. --AHrvojic 00:23, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Presidents' Flag

As I see, the Presidents' Flag will soon be deleted. Could somebody put it legally to Commons? --Neoneo13 14:42, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unsourced quotes

• Croatia never fought war with Montenegro He said while he was hosting the president of Montenegro. ^{[citation needed]} Montenegro had been a member-state in [[the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia}} at the time.

• Assholes should stop accusing me After he was asked if he had ever been working for Yugoslavian intelligence agency UDBA.

• I wasn't in Haag testyfing against Croatia. Later he admitted he did ^{[citation needed]}

• My wife is Ukranian. ^{[citation needed]} His wife is Serb. ^{[citation needed]}

• I don't have a bag of cement, hardly a cement factory. Two days later papers published documents that his doughter is majority stock-holder in Croatia's biggest cement-factory. ^{[citation needed]}