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Contents 1 Steve Irwin's revenge from beyond the grave. 2 Protection Again? 3 Red Links 4 Fatal sting 5 reproduction 6 Picture of barb? 7 Another heart wound 8 and ANOTHER heart wound

[edit] Steve Irwin's revenge from beyond the grave.

I didn't find this particularly worthy of inclusion in the article. If people continue to hate Stingrays for years to come, maybe, but as it stands now, this is likely not notable enough in relation to stingrays as a whole. It could be included in Irwin's article, I guess.

Since the death of Steve Irwin, 10 stingrays have been found mutilated on Queensland beaches in apparent revenge attacks.^[1]

- BalthCat 23:02, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

If Irwin gets a mention, then I think the retribution attacks on sting rays should also be added to the page, to balance the ledger. JP Psmith 08:20, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

No, it is not worthy. We should not care about what a few mad fans do. This article is about Stingrays. We included his death as an afterthought to demonstrate they can be dangerous and because he was a known figure, but we should not care whether non notable people are doing to them. -- ReyBrujo 17:01, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I think it's quite notable what non-notable people are doing to stingrays. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 121.44.115.229 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Protection Again?

Judging by the number of revertings in the edit history for today (Sept. 18th) there's a lot of vandals on this page yet. Do you think I should put it under semiprotection? 204.185.36.198 17:12, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

This is me BTW (forgot to log in). Also, I created an archive for this page. Indiawilliams 17:34, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Eh, I'm gonna go ahead and semi-protect it. Remove it if you wish but I get the feeling there'll be people wanting to get 'revenge' on this animal for some time to come. Indiawilliams 22:10, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I removed the template. You need to protect the article manually, and only administrators can do that. In other words, adding the template alone does not protect the article. You can request it to be protected here. -- ReyBrujo 22:14, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh. Well I'll get right on that. Thanks for the heads-up. Indiawilliams 00:39, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey, how did u post on September 19? I'm only on the 18th! Anyway, I'm a new user but I'll get on that too. --DrZeus 01:50, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

i aggree with what u are saying i hate sting rays too one of my friends parents were stung by one but servived steve was just unlikey i mean he dealed with cros and snakes and many more dangerous things but how unliky was it to get killed by a sing ray . i also think that whoever killed all these stingrays should be ashamed of themselves it wasnt the stingrays fault steve entered its home and it reacted rip steve u will be sadly missed and never fogotten .

^ ^ Why we need protection for the page 83.100.221.130 14:12, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

It was protected following numerous "joke" edits by internet comedians following Irwin's untimely demise. What content did you want to add? You can add it here, or perhaps an admin will remove protection. In either case, I recommend registering. - BalthCat 05:29, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Here's another nice one removed:" Stingrays now commonly referred to as the 'hated ones' are known world-wide as the killer of the Crocodile Hunter (the 'loved one')." At least it's calming down.==Justfred 03:08, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

This text now appears at the top of the article, with no apparent way to remove it:

"Chuck Norris is the primary predator of the sting ray. In one year he killed over 500,000 stingrays and nearly caused a mass extiction. He retired from killing sting rays after 5 good years of hunting. In many underwater communities there are wanted posters for Chuck Norris. When asked why Chuck did suck things he replied by roundhouse kicking the reporter asking the question. Later that day Mr. T was sighted hunting jelly fish it is said that he became the next primary hunter of jelly fish. Chunk Norris on the other hand moved on to the torture of Joan Rivers. this caused Joan Rivers incredible frustration causing the death of millions of innocents, a genocide. Joan Rivers was never caught but only because she has the super power of invisability. But back to the jellyfish wait no this is about stingrays. Back to the sting rays, the reason they are getting so mad an killing people is because they are mad that Chuck Norris made a school on how to hunt and kill the sting ray. They think that they will die if they don't go on the offensive and take over the world, so that is their goal. Nothing will stop them. The murder of Steve Irwin was a warning, if we dont back off they will start appearing in peoples houses. Where ever they go murder will follow. We are all doomed due to this violent future I urge every one who finds a sting ray to violently kill it and laugh at it

STOP DELETING THIS!"

[edit] Red Links

Now I'm noticing there's a lot of red links in the article. Should those even be there if no one's going to create articles for them? Indiawilliams 15:56, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

No; see Wikipedia:Red link. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 20:26, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fatal sting

i didn't know where to post this, but steve irwin didn't actually die from a fatal sting, it was more the fact it penetrated his heart. like an arrow or something. the venom in the sting didn't cause it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.11.144.55 (talk • contribs) .

Understood, but fatal sting does not imply he died from the venom; rather he died as a direct result of being stung. While it might be confusing to some; the details can be found in the Irwin article. - RoyBoy ⁸⁰⁰ 01:07, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

• cough* He pulled the barb out as soon as he was pierced. After that he went *poof*. THAT is how he really died.

[edit] reproduction

How do stingrays reproduce? Isn't that vital information that should be included on the page? Robin Chen 02:05, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

"Like other rays, dasyatids are viviparous, bearing live young in "litters" of five to ten." Or did you mean, how do they mate?--Justfred 15:54, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, sorry about the confusion. - Robin Chen 05:29, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Most likely it's similar to sharks [1] but even that isn't well-documented here. I believe they have claspers, that's also how to tell male vs female, but I don't really know enough to add it to the article. Maybe you could look for references, research it?--Justfred 15:50, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Robin - you removed "Like other rays, dasyatids are viviparous, bearing live young in "litters" of five to ten." without explanation. My understanding is that this is what distinguishes "rays" from "skates", which are oviporous. Care to explain? We really should have a source here, tho.--Justfred

I did not REmove it, I moved it to the reproduction section, it's still there if I remember correctly.--Robin Chen 19:32, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Yep. Never mind, must have been two separate edits, only saw the last.--Justfred 21:25, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Picture of barb?

Can anyone post a picture of a barb or stinger, and give its measurements? I truly don't understand how big the thing is that killed Irwin, or what it looks like.Nospamtodd 12:53, 20 October 2006 (UTC)nospamtodd

I don't know details, but generally the stinger looks like a very long, thin serrated knife. Would guess that in Irwin's case it would have been at least a foot long or so, maybe half an inch wide; don't know how much of that actually would have entered his body, perhaps less than 4" or so.--Justfred 15:54, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Here's one I took. I added it to the article some time ago, thinking that a mediocre image of a stinger is better than none. But someone else did not like it and removed it. If enough users want it I'll be happy to add it again. Janderk 20:17, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I think the thing that gets ejected by the stingray is much smaller than the whole tail. On the Today Show today they showed a barb that had entered a guy when the stingray jumped into his boat. It was only 4" long.

Nothing actually gets "ejected". The barb is brittle, and can break off; as I read it, on the Florida incident it actually broke apart after entering the victim's body. If you take a close look at the picture, the barb is above and parallel to the tail.--Justfred 03:03, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Another heart wound

Read in the paper (LA Times) this morning, that there was another person wounded by a stingray in the heart; in Florida. [2] "Bertakis, of Lighthouse Point, was boating on the Intracoastal Waterway on Wednesday afternoon when a 3-foot-wide stingray burst from the water and stuck his chest with its barb. Bertakis was able to pilot the boat to land and call 911." I don't think this merits mentioning in the article but I wanted to note it here.--Justfred 15:54, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

More info here: [3]

"This ray leaped into a boat that a gentleman was just cruising on the Intracoastal like every ordinary family does, and apparently he tried to remove it from his boat and it kind of latched onto him," said Rich Gonzalez of Lighthouse Point Fire Rescue.

--Justfred 17:19, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] and ANOTHER heart wound

"A couple of years ago, a 35-year-old Australian bloke on holidays in Fiji was stung in the chest as he swam over a large stingray; the barb punctured his heart and he died a day later as a result of his injuries." [4] Wow, how often does this happen??
- Robin Chen 20:32, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

We have three cited instances of fatal or near fatal attacks by stingrays on humans by stabbing them in the heart. I believe that's notable enough to be mentioned in the article. Cla68 07:21, 14 November 2006 (UTC)