Talk:Stick bass

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The term "Stick Bass" sometimes refers to the bass Chapman stick. I originally made a note of this on the EUB page (because of the redirect), but it really belongs on a DAB. I've listed it as the second meaning, since it is the less common usage. Do a web search for "stick bass" and you will get many hits about Chapman's product (which, BTW, I do not own, play, or have any interest in). Even if no one else called it that (which is not true), the fact that the manufacturer calls it that warrants a listing. Chapman even has a registered trademark on the term "Stick Bass". I suspect they'd have a hard time defending it, but it's there. Wikipedia is about what "is", not what anyone thinks "should be". Please respect that.

Please sign and date your posts Anon. Thanks--Light current 23:06, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Is a Chapman stick bass an EUB? If so it should be mentioned on the EUB page 8-)--Light current 23:07, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

As I said, it belongs on a DAB, not on the EUB page, which is why I didn't disagree when you removed it.

About your last change comment... "Post dates"? How is that relevant? Are you making up new Wikipedia guidelines? The car name "Corvette" post dates the naval use of the word, should that be removed too?

No, never mind. You win. Go ahead, make up your own guidelines. Don't admit to any other meanings of "Stick Bass" than the one you approve of. Make this page about your POV instead of presenting all the facts. That's what Wikipedia is for, right? 64.171.68.130 04:48, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What the diff?

What is the essential difference between a Chapman stick bass and an EUB?--Light current 12:10, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

The Stick Bass has far more in common with an electric bass guitar than a EUB. (1) The Stick attaches to the player's body via a belt hook and a strap. (2) It's fretted. (3) It's played solely by tapping. --Mperry 19:08, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Stick bass should I think redirect directly to EUB not via a DAB page that gives as one of its choices something that is obviously NOT a bass! We can mention the Chapman stick in the EUB article and include a link to it. But the Chapman stick article is not about basses primarily: it doesnt even have a pic of one! So why should stick bass guide you there? Also stick basses existed well before 1970 when the Chapman stick was invented. In fact I think it was Rickenbacker who did the first one.--Light current 12:26, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Disambiguation pages are used specifically to disambiguate between different articles that have similar names. As the MoS page states "the primary purpose of the disambiguation page is to help people find the information they want quickly and easily." The fact that you don't consider a the Stick Bass a bass is irrelevant. The terms do not need to refer to the same type of object. For example, the Vim page disambiguates between a computer program, a household cleaner, and an airline. Which came first is also irrelevant. They are two different items with the same name. The reason there is no picture of one on the Chapman Stick page is because the Stick Bass doesn't look any different from the regular Stick except that it has eight strings instead of ten or twelve.

Here are two direct questions for you. "Stick bass" is only a redirect page with no content of its own. What value are you losing if this is turned into a disambiguation page? How would this loss of value be any different than the loss of value for items that bear the label Vim? --Mperry 19:08, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

OK EUBs and stick basses are now synonymous. To stick (no pun) with your recommendation you should show that the term 'stick bass' was not in use before the invention of the Chapman stick. I think it was.(but I may be wrong)--Light current 02:26, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

No, that isn't necessary at all. While it may be important to you personally which instrument was first called the Stick Bass, that has nothing to do with the criteria for inclusion in a Wikipedia disambiguation page. Whatever the history, good or evil, the term now refers to two different things, which is easily proven by a web search, or even just a look at this page. There it is, registered trademark and all. Right or wrong, that's all that's required for it to be on this page. Maybe it's evil, but lots of evil things appear in these pages. We don't get to delete them just because they bother us.

No thats the Stick X38 (bass version) not a stick bass 8-)--Light current 13:42, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Read it and weep.  :)

Yeah it looks superb. I wonder what they cost 8-(--Light current 22:53, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

About $1900 to $2100. [1] They hold their value well when used. I paid $1800 two years ago for my used 10-string Stick w/MIDI. Personally, I'd by a NS/Stick before I got a Stick Bass. Check out this video of Don Schiff playing the NS[2].--Mperry 23:12, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Not too bad. can you get em in UK? Never seen em here!--Light current 23:16, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Yep, they ship worldwide (they only sell direct). However, they don't mass produce them which means a limited number made per year and a long wait time when ordering (anywhere from 8 to 14 months). I went to the used market because I didn't want to wait, although I'll order new if I get a second one. --Mperry 18:11, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Someone once said that freedom means having to put up with a lot of things that really piss you off. Ain't that the truth. 75.1.250.119 07:03, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

It's irrelevant when the term originally came to use. The only thing that matters is that the term is in use for both items at this point in time. If a user searches for "stick bass" then there's a likelihood that they are searching for either an electric upright bass or the Chapman Stick instrument. The disambiguation page serves as a navigational aid to assist the user in finding the specific item that they wanted. --Mperry 08:08, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

The chapman bass is only one version of the chapman stick. The Chapman Stick is an instrument built primarily for tapping, and is based on a two-handed tapping technique invented in 1969 by Emmett Chapman where each hand approaches the fretboard with the fingers aligned parallel to the frets. Stick basses are similar to Double basses in playing method. So a 'bass stick' is a completely different instrument to a stick bass. So really its the word 'Stick' (not stick bass) that should go to the chapman stick.--Light current 13:30, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

You say: Chapman even has a registered trademark on the term "Stick Bass". So they will have appropraited the common usage of the term for their own product. If this is true then it should be a DAB page.--Light current 13:47, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Yep looks like a trademark OK! Use DAB page.--Light current 13:50, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I think we're all wrong! Now this is a STICK BASS! Anything else is appropriating the common usage of the word "stick" :) 65.204.170.66 18:17, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah man. The original (unless YOU know different!)--Light current 22:50, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bass nomenclature inherently controversial?

Man, what is it about bass instruments? There's this issue, the "bass guitar vs. electric bass" argument, and even students of the double bass argue about whether it's a violin or a viol. Are we bottom-feeders cursed or something? 64.171.68.130 19:57, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

We are certainly baser animals than any other musicians. 8-)--Light current 22:52, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

The pun is the lowest form of humor? :P 64.171.68.130 23:28, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I know. Its my favorite. Must be cos Im a bass player!--Light current 23:33, 1 November 2006 (UTC)