User talk:Stevebkk

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Category: Classical Cryptography

The original Cardan Grille is usually given as an example of STEGANOGRAPHY in its modern sense. Francis Bacon used the words CRYPTOGRAPHY and STEGANOGRAPHY interchangeably, but he asserted that a good cipher "in some cases be without suspition" by which he meant that it should not appear to be a cipher at all.

The variations on Cardan Grille messages which use null fillers are CRYPTOGRAMS, as are the turning grilles that produce transposition ciphers. The original intention was to create STEGANOGRAMS, but Cardano would not have made this distinction exactly - all hidden communications being 'cyphers.'

--Steve 06:04, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] welcome aboard

Steve, Nice point above. I hadn't quite realized the categories were so thoroughly crossed by the grilles. Concepts worth disentangling in the relevant articles.

Anyway, welcome aboard the crypto corner. We have done some good work, but there is, as always, more to do, and you help will be appreciated by all us cryptiacs, and probably the curious average reader. You may find yourself with an opinon on one of the great teapot tempests of our time, the cy v ci debate. See the Project page at cypher v cipher. Perhaps you too would like to chyme in?

Glad to have you pitching in. ww 08:50, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Steve, really nice work on Cardan Grille and Grille. Sorry I didn't respond to your email earlier; I've been quite busy with work and I lose track of stuff! — Matt Crypto 12:20, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] featured article nomination

I've just noticed that you posted your work (on your User page) as the article Grille (cryptography). As is noted at talk:Cardan Grille, when it was posted, I'd nominate it. Done. See the talk page for Grille (cryptography) for the link. I think it should be approved, but you will probably want to watch for the comments that folks leave. If nothing else, you'll get a quick education in WP operations. Hope it wins approval. Good article. ww 19:00, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

I've answered some comments (ie, objections) to the FA nomination above, and promised to suggest some changes. See the discussion page fo rthe nomination for the suggestions. You're the obvious person to tell about this. What do you want done? Given the at the article is largely your work. ww 21:18, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

It was written for amusement and is meant to be read in the same vein - like many a user page.

--Steve 10:11, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

We did too little too late. Featured article status failed. Sorry about that. I'm going in to make some edits. Let me know what you think, if you'd like. ww 02:08, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm amused by all that, especially a question from CG 'who is Francis Bacon.'

--Steve 23:34, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trifid cipher

I'm not sure what the problem is. Trifid cipher shows up fine for me. Perhaps you mistyped? Or perhaps it was a temporary glitch. -- Securiger 01:33, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

It links to the trifid, but shows up red on my screen - as does the reference in the paragraph above. --Steve 23:12, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Very odd. It is a bluelink for me (or purple, now I've revisted it.) Perhaps a bug in your style sheet? What skin are you using? It might be time for a Wikipedia:Bug report. -- Securiger 00:56, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

It's changed to purple. It links. I'm not bothered. I made a cross-reference. The bifid and trifid are mentioned in several books, but I wonder if anyone has looked at the original little book by Delastelle. (I'm not sure Delastelle looked at it himself because he died around the time of publication).

--Steve 10:11, 12 June 2006 (UTC)