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If you were to check the Public Service Style Manual you would find that the correct title for the head of Government in the Northern Territory is the Chief Minister FOR the Northern Territory.

Somin - I'm not so keen on your adjustments to the ACT Chief Minister situation - my original text pointed out that the Chief Minister is the only "popularly elected" chief executive in Australian government. Yes, he/she is elected by the Legislative assembly, but has to have been popularly elected to that assembly in the first place. Your revision, while accurate, seems to lose this distinction, in my opinion at least. Your thoughts? MMGB

I changed it because I was worried that "popularly elected" might be misinterpreted as meaning he/she was directly elected like how Presidents in several countries are (each voter casts their vote for a candidate, whichever candidate gets the most votes becomes President). I can see your point though. -- SJK

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Contents 1 State capitals 2 Alphabetical order 3 Flag icons 4 Ashmore and Cartier Islands? 5 Requested move to States and territories of Australia 5.1 Voting 5.2 Discussion 6 Selective deletion 7 Lord Howe Island 8 Central Australia 9 Compared Terminology 10 Suggested merger of Eastern states of Australia, Southern Australia, Northern Australia

[edit] State capitals

I've added the state capitals here since I've done a redirect from Australian capital cities from this page. (Other options for re-direction include List of cities in Australia and List of capitals of sub-national entities, but I thought this page seemed like the best choice.)

I will also adjust Jervis Bay Territory on the list - it is a territory, but it isn't regarded as a territory the same as NT and ACT are. I think it may actually be administered as part of ACT, but I think the External Territories should be changed to 'Minor Territories' or something similar, and add JBT to that list. Chuq

Yes, Jervis Bay is an integral part of the ACT. JackofOz 04:06, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I've made the state/territory changes, as mentioned above (that was also me - forgot to sign it the first time) Chuq 10:48, 30 May 2004 (UTC)

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A note about the changes I made to the "Honorable"s attached to the names of the state/territory political leaders.

• The word is not normally spelled in full, but the abbreviation "The Hon" (without a full stop) is highly acceptable and appropriate (not to mention shorter)
• if you do spell the word in full, PLEASE use the Australian spelling "Honourable" (with a "u"), not the American.
• The title "Honourable" arises from being a member of the relevant Executive Council, and anybody who has ever been a Minister of the Crown remains an Executive Councillor-under-summons for the rest of their life unless they are specifically removed from such a status by misbehaviour etc.
• because there are no Executive Councils in the ACT and the NT, their Chief Ministers are not "the Hon" but simply Mr, Ms or whatever. (unsigned by User:JackOfOz)

I know this is old, but I just saw it and wanted to note for the record that this comment is completely wrong about the Northern Territory - which does use the honourable title for their Chief Ministers, not to mention all their other ministers. I'm not so sure for the ACT, however. Ambi 14:21, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Only just seen this comment today. I can find no reference to any NT Chief Minister or any other NT Minister ever being called "the Hon" by virtue of their NT offices. JackofOz 07:11, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alphabetical order

Is there any reason why the states were changed to alphabetical order? One order is as good as any I guess, but I can't think of a reason to specifically change them? NSW-Vic-Qld-SA-WA-Tas-NT-ACT is pretty much the "standard" order for states - don't know why (approximately by population) but it just is - see post codes prefixes, etc. -- Chuq 11:03, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

True, but then where do you place Norfolk I. etc? Grant65 (Talk) 15:58, Nov 20, 2004 (UTC)

At the end I guess :) -- Chuq 23:56, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Flag icons

The icons next to the states aren't very distinctive at that resolution. Would anyone object to using the state badges instead? This would lead to inconsistency between states and territories icons, but you'd get a better idea of what the picture was, so it'd have a bit more value IMHO. —Felix the Cassowary (ɑe hɪː jɐ) 14:05, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

They are sized the same as the country flag templates ( Australia). I think they're better then badges, and you're right, it would mean inconsistencies between states and territories. I was planning to convert that list to a table like in Departments of Colombia.--Cyberjunkie | Talk 14:15, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ashmore and Cartier Islands?

Ashmore and Cartier Islands' page says its part of Northern Territory. I don't know which one is right

[edit] Selective deletion

I am about to delete from the article history those revisions whose content and/or edit summaries libel Xtra, per Wikipedia's libel policy. Selective deletion requires full deletion followed by selective restoration. Therefore this article will be deleted for a very brief period of time. Snottygobble 04:02, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Complete. Snottygobble 04:06, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lord Howe Island

The section "State and Territory Codes" lists Lord Howe Island. This is not a territory, but an integral part of New South Wales. I tried to remove it but my table formatting skills let me down. Anyone?? JackofOz 06:59, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Central Australia

The short lived territory's details have been added. Move it to somewhere else if you think it is more appropriate, but I believe it should be included somewhere. Kransky 06:45, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Compared Terminology

Can someone who is good with Wiki tables please edit the 'Compared Terminology' table? As it currently appears (at least on my computer) the names of (for example) the houses of parliament are ambiguous as it's impossible to tell where the cell borders are, and therefore which state/territory uses which name. ZanderSchubert 03:39, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Suggested merger of Eastern states of Australia, Southern Australia, Northern Australia

I say no way, José..... These are all common terms to varying degrees. How is it going to help someone from overseas, looking for a definition, to be redirected to States and territories of Australia? Grant65 | Talk 05:36, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

• Oppose. I agree with Grant. These cross-border divisions are very significant and definitely should be covered. For example, the term 'northern Australia' is very important to articles which describe Australia's military and military history and a central definition of what 'northern Australia' is needs to be provided. --Nick Dowling 11:01, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

• Oppose if for no other reason than America has articals on each of its geographical reagons. Xtra 11:22, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

• Oppose as these are not administrative regions, but rather geographic. They could perhaps be all merged into a single Regions of Australia, but that would likely be taken over by the sub-state regions. Superregions of Australia or Macroregions of Australia might mean the right thing, but they sound stupid. Is there another word that fits? --Scott Davis ^Talk 05:06, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

No, there isn't :-) Grant65 | Talk 05:55, 2 December 2006 (UTC)