Talk:State terrorism in Sri Lanka

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[edit] Criteria to add items to this article Notable (published by a major media organization such as the CNN, CBC, BBC, AIR, or ABC then the incident is mentioned in 1 annual report of either HRW , AI, UN or US state department and a follow up report of any one of the above) The incident itself should have corroborating evidence from eye witness accounts recorded by local media, NGO’s or major HR organizations... Initial and final government denial of responsibility If the government accepts responsibility then the perpetrators were not punished Similar acts happened after the incident and has happened before thus indicating systematic process that grants impunity to perpetrators[1] Thus assumption of impunity by those who commit them Fits the definition of state terrorism if during war or peace times ~~Fits the definition of war crimes, if during war times~~ ~~Fits the definition of crimes against humanity if during war timesRaveenS 01:06, 4 August 2006 (UTC)~~ updated RaveenS These is far too strict criteria. Information is a positive thing; the bias should be in favor of including more material, not less. I see nothing wrong with having a long, detailed article like Terrorist attacks carried out by LTTE as long as every incident is true and verifiable. "Crimes against humanity" would pretty much wipe out this entire article; not even Black July was large enough to qualify for that. Even for "war crimes" and "state terrorism" we should not expect Wikipedians to become human rights lawyers painstakingly leafing through the Geneva Conventions to decide whether to add an item to an article. Even punishing perpetrators is a red herring; a common tactic of governments is to blame low-ranking soldiers for human rights violations, when in fact the attack was ordered from high up the chain of command. Really, only the "corroborating evidence" criterion is the only one I can agree with. We can rename to Human rights abuses by the Government of Sri Lanka if "state terrorism" is considered too loaded a term. Tyronen 21:23, 8 August 2006 (UTC) Made changes based on above discussion but do not agree on renaming this article. State terrorism is a real concept and state's including the United States and Syria do indulge in it. We cannot for the sake of documenting all the alleged and proven Human Righst violations of the state of Sri Lanka move away from that reality. Further to stay NPOV and to stay true to its definition, all entries here should follow the criteria thus far established if not this will become a battle ground. This article should follow the Black July lead not the LTTE lead.Thanks RaveenS 13:10, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Criteria to add items to this article

Notable (published by a major media organization such as the CNN, CBC, BBC, AIR, or ABC then the incident is mentioned in 1 annual report of either HRW , AI, UN or US state department and a follow up report of any one of the above)
The incident itself should have corroborating evidence from eye witness accounts recorded by local media, NGO’s or major HR organizations...
Initial and final government denial of responsibility
If the government accepts responsibility then the perpetrators were not punished
Similar acts happened after the incident and has happened before thus indicating systematic process that grants impunity to perpetrators[1]
Thus assumption of impunity by those who commit them
Fits the definition of state terrorism if during war or peace times
~~Fits the definition of war crimes, if during war times~~
~~Fits the definition of crimes against humanity if during war timesRaveenS 01:06, 4 August 2006 (UTC)~~

updated RaveenS

These is far too strict criteria. Information is a positive thing; the bias should be in favor of including more material, not less. I see nothing wrong with having a long, detailed article like Terrorist attacks carried out by LTTE as long as every incident is true and verifiable. "Crimes against humanity" would pretty much wipe out this entire article; not even Black July was large enough to qualify for that. Even for "war crimes" and "state terrorism" we should not expect Wikipedians to become human rights lawyers painstakingly leafing through the Geneva Conventions to decide whether to add an item to an article. Even punishing perpetrators is a red herring; a common tactic of governments is to blame low-ranking soldiers for human rights violations, when in fact the attack was ordered from high up the chain of command. Really, only the "corroborating evidence" criterion is the only one I can agree with. We can rename to Human rights abuses by the Government of Sri Lanka if "state terrorism" is considered too loaded a term. Tyronen 21:23, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Made changes based on above discussion but do not agree on renaming this article. State terrorism is a real concept and state's including the United States and Syria do indulge in it. We cannot for the sake of documenting all the alleged and proven Human Righst violations of the state of Sri Lanka move away from that reality. Further to stay NPOV and to stay true to its definition, all entries here should follow the criteria thus far established if not this will become a battle ground. This article should follow the Black July lead not the LTTE lead.Thanks RaveenS 13:10, 9 August 2006 (UTC)