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Starbase-Atlantis :-)
—wwoods 02:35, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)


In the episode The Gift, the Atlantis command team find out or suggested that as the Ancients seeded humans throughout the Pegasus Galaxy, on one of these planets, they had their lifeforce sucked out by bugs who in turn evolved into the Wraith which were discovered years later. - John-1107

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[edit] Wasted resources

If the star gate team brought back alien technology back to earth they could cure world hunger, end U.S. dependency on forien oil, create a moon and mars base, and other things.

[edit] Recurring characters

I'm very slightly concerned about the growth of the Recurring characters section. I think that after a few more episodes (perhaps after the airing of "The Storm" / "The Eye") we should go through the list and eliminate those characters who don't really have recurring roles.

Of course, we'd have to establish some criteria regarding what constitutes a recurring role. I think members of the current list fall into three categories:

1) Obviously recurring. The best example of this is Dr. Carson Beckett. He's not only been in in every episode but has also had a significant role in every episode. I can't really figure out why he's not listed as a regular on the show, though I have a eerie suspicion that he will be killed off (I hope not!).

2) Borderline recurring. A good example of this is Dr. Zelenka. He's appeared in two episodes and has done fairly significant things in both of them. Still, he lacks a first name and didn't get much screen time during his two appearances.

3) Not (?) recurring. I think that the various Sergeants and Doctors who have appeared in one or two episodes without significant roles fall into this category. Bates and Cavanaugh have had significant roles, but only in one episode each.

I guess my point is that we need to draw the line between "Guest Star" and "Recurring Character". I think it's possible for a character to appear in multiple episodes without being a recurring character (for example, if the character never says more than ten words). I believe that once a few more episodes are aired, we cut the list down to size so that only easily recognizable characters occupy it.

Acegikmo1 06:32, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I agree. - UtherSRG 12:12, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
That does sound like the best way to do things. KorbenDirewolf 05:55, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

What if a recurring character is no longer recurring and is either dead or not currently associated with the show? Case in point Rainbow Francks was a main character in Season 1, then became something of a recurring character throughout Season 2 - a couple of episodes at the beginning as well as the season finale - and is now no longer a part of the show. His character, however, may or may not return at a future time.

[edit] Replicators, Asurans

": if the Ancients faced something like this before, then they most likely figured out a way to defeat them."

Later on, Dr. Zelenka did get a first name, namely Radek, and his role became quite prominent. Also, don't forget Dr. Peter Grodin, who had a significant role in several episodes, but later had an untimely demise when the Wraith destroyed the Ancients' satellite defence station in "The Siege, Part 1"
Aron G 04:11, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

I say we organize two separate lists. One will be for previously major recurring characters, and would be exhaustive. The second would be for current recurring characters

[edit] Personal shields

As I understood it, the personal shields don't deactivate by themselves, but when the person wearing them wants them to (or the battery runs out...) - it's just that the first person to try one (Rodney McKay) had an interesting psycological problem which meant he didn't really want to remove it. Of course, I could be wrong. -- makomk 15:12, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Atlantis (Stargate)

Looks like this page I found should really be incorporated here. Can someone help out?

Actually, given the discussion above on how this page is getting too big, I would have thought that you should be moving the information the other way. --Phil | Talk 14:04, Jan 5, 2005 (UTC)
I've done some work on that article and I think it looks better now. With some more information it might be okay to leave it where it is for now. KorbenDirewolf 22:04, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I've moved the content from the city section of this article to Atlantis (Stargate) to remove the duplication, and shorten this article. I also performed quite a lot of copy-editing and reformatting. Probably someone should check to make sure I haven't introduced any factual errors in the process. J Bytheway 02:21, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I think Atlantis (Stargate) look much better now.. Maybe this should go to that discussion page after this? KorbenDirewolf 23:25, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Star Trek references

You know, I've been noticing numerous Star Trek references... Like, just recently in the past episode, Flanigan's character quotes exactly word for word from Kirk from Star Trek IV. -- AllyUnion (talk) 06:42, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

So make a section named "References to other shows" or something, and put them there in a list format if there are a lot of them --Zxcvbnm 16:16, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] COPYEDIT

Could someone PLEASE copyedit and write summaries for the newer episodes? PLEASE????? Most of the episode guides are copyvios!!!--Zxcvbnm 04:47, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dead characters

I just had to remove two characters from the dead section who are not seen obviously killed on screen, and are not reported dead in dialogue. Just because it looks like someone was killed, or is about to be, does not mean they actually are killed. Please make sure they are actually dead before you list them. G Worroll 18:54, 23 Mar 2005

[edit] Episodes Format

Should we have multiple part episodes as single or multiple articles? (Currently we have both) Personally, I prefer to have multiple articles. This is how SG-1 does it (with the possible expection of the pilot), even though most of the SG-1 episodes don't have any content, yet. What do you guys think? --Mattwj2002 15:00, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Would it be a good idea if I changed the episdoe list to being in a seperate page similiar to the SG1 and Infinity Lists? Any comments please

[edit] Regarding italics for proper names

Any particular reason for the italics on names such as John Sheppard and Elizabeth Weir? To my knowledge, there should be no reason for this, unless someone can correct me on this. Thanks. -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. 01:45, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Lieutenant Ford

Are we sure he's not still a main character? If you look at the credits for season 2, he's still listed with the other mains. It's possible the story arc will not last very long. --Khaim 16:01, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Rainbow Francks is no longer a main and is not currently, arecurring character Holled 01:57, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject

I was thinking about starting a WikiProject for Stargate, to better coordinate the writting efforts, organize and create standards (the templates for example). What do you think? -- Andromeda 20:41, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

I think a project would definitely help. What about the idea of a Wikiportal? --Mattwj2002
Not a bad idea, I think. For what I read, both are related in fact. For what I'm reading, a WikiProject is more editors-oriented, while a WikiPortal is more user-oriented. -- Andromeda 23:18, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
Good idea!!!--Zxcvbnm 23:27, 7 August 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Wikiproject Stargate

I have started a wikiproject: Wikipedia:WikiProject Stargate.--Zxcvbnm 00:01, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

I've started the Wikiportal: Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Stargate and I was going to start the project, but you beat me to it! See you there ;) -- Andromeda 00:08, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Naming- Colon

Shouldn't the proper title of this article be Stargate: Atlantis? I'm just guessing here, but I thought that the colon was (a)shown (and/or b)implied. Autopilots 06:12, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

  • On the DVD for Season 1 it's listed as Stargate Atlantis (look on the back of an individual disc case, so let's assume that's the proper way. Koweja 16:20, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Links

Some of those links seem a little excessive. http://stargate.feartheblue.com/  ?

Many of them were silly, to simple fan sites, or sites with "wallpapers" which you can easily find using Google or Yahoo. --Ardenn 19:36, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Talk:Stargate_SG-1#Links. Ardenn, you need to ceast and desist on the mass removal of links, unless you can provide adequate justification for each removal, and also reasons for the ones that remained. therearenospoons 01:02, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I think justification should be provided when links are added. WP:NOT Ardenn 01:05, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A Warning

Someone included sg1archive.com Don't waste your time going to that site. The members there don't accept differences of opinions on the series. They will insult and debase you. It is a hate site.--Tjkphilosofe 12:17, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rachel Luttrell and martial arts.

Does anyone have an idea about what school of martial arts that Rachel Luttrell employs in Stargate: Atlantis? It looks to me like a Filipino style, but I thought to come here and ask if anyone knows for certain.

→ P.MacUidhir (t) (c) 21:51, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Images

Kudos to Tertiary7 for the awesome images. -therearenospoons 10:03, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The New Brotherhood

The New Brotherhood are currently listed as a civilization under races, I wouldn't describe them as either as those. Maybe a new section for Factions is needed? Shogun 02:04, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] improve this page

I'd really like to see this page at the standard of its sister, Stargate SG-1. I think we should work towards this, and then the two main Stargate shows can both fit their articles snugly into Good Articles and Wikipedia 1.0. -- Alfakim --  talk  21:55, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Incorrect IMDB link

The link is incorrect and points to http://www.imdb.com/title/nm0374455/ instead of http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0374455/ Someone please correct this.

[edit] nations

maybe we should reference them or get a collection of screen shots showing the patches... anyone could just come in and add a country... -Xornok 23:00, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ancient race name?

Ok, why do the Ancients go by so many different names? Originally they were "The Ancients" as was stated on the show. It was even stated on their inscription on P3R-272 (The Fifth Race) "We are the Ancient Ones". Secondly, they are suddenly the "Lanteans". What is all this about? Is it like a different faction of them or something? Why did they change their names? Then suddenly, they were always originally the "Altairans" which was supposedly their original names.
Why the identity chrisis? As I said above, is it basically like how different countries have different names but they have the same type of people or what exactly?
Also, I noticed in "Rising, pt. 1" the Anceint hologram called Earth "Earth" instead of "Terra Atlantos" as Jack called it in "Lost City". What is that about?


One more thing. Why is it called "Atlantis" if the race that inhabited it originally was the "Lanteans"? Why did they omit/add the A on there? The Genii call them the "Atlanteans" (more specifically, the Atlantis expendition is called that) and the Wraith call them the Lanteans.
Faris b 22:54, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

The Alterans and the Ori are two different factions within the Ancients. Usually we refer to the Alterans just as "the ancients" - both out of habit, and because they are the Ancients we've had the most contact with - but when there is a need for clarification, they are referred to as the Alterans. "Lanteans" only refers to those Ancients who lived in Atlantis, or possibly those who lived in the Pegasus Galaxy, and is not directly related to the Alteran/Ori conflict (though it seems that the Ancients of Pegasus and the Ancients of the Milky Way are the same (Alteran) faction.) It is possible, that "Lantean" was short for "Atlantean," but I don't believe the "official" etymology of the word has been revealed. --Tim4christ17 22:11, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ayiana appeared in SG-1 and Atlantis?

According to the article, Ayiana appeared in both SG-1 and Atlantis. In which episode of Atlantis did she appear? The only episode I can think of that she might have appeared in is Before I Sleep, but looking at the transcript that's linked to in that article, I don't see her name mentioned anywhere. TerraFrost 05:36, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

She appeared in the opening scene of rising. It shows her being left behind. Tobyk777 05:46, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Replicators, Asuran

the phrase ": if the Ancients faced something like this before, then they most likely figured out a way to defeat them." is not supported by any facts in the show to clearly indicate this connection between Asurans and Replicators. This surely does seem to be a personal opinion. What's more, the whole idea of this relation relies on no solid basis in the show and the future episodes from this series are unlikely to prove it. Thus i consider this should be removed.15:21, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Removed as it can not be sourced. Matthew Fenton (contribs) 15:25, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

while you're at it, i must emphasize that this whole relation idea should be removed until there be some show information to back it up:

"It is possible that one of the surviving Ancients that fled Atlantis back to Earth fled to another planet in the Milky Way Galaxy where he continued his experiments, accidentally creating the android Reese who created the Replicators ("Menace"). If true, this may be the reason why Jack, while having the Ancient knowledge downloaded into his brain for a second time ("New Order"), was able to build a weapon that could defeat the Replicators. " The content itself reveal consistent doubts: "it is possible", "if true", "may"Ex Pluribus Unum 15:32, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I have removed it and added some emphasis on text. I did however leave the Jack part as that is cited and may have some relation in future episodes. Matthew Fenton (contribs) 15:37, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

although it is cited, it has no relation with the asurans. the paragraphs is about the asurans and the insertion of Jack and Replicators reference is quite meaningless and lacks reason of being there as the show has not made any connections. it may have some relation in future episodes yet at the moment it has not. The best it would be to remove this reference until the show could provide further information to prove the connection.Ex Pluribus Unum 15:43, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

i think it does as it makes a connection. Matthew Fenton (contribs) 15:50, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

it makes a connection indeed but this connection is not supported in any way by the show till now. there are also no reliable sources to sustain it thus not being quite different from the already removed content. lacking trustworthy sources, it still sounds like a personal opinion. if you want to keep it please bring strong arguments that should match the show's current storyline (writers' or producers' statements would be most indicated). otherwise, if its only reason for being there is to make a so-called future connection, that is not enough. The cites are also irrelevant and officially unconnected with the asurans till now. This being said, i will soon remove this and if anyone wishes object i strongly recommend bringing arguments, arguments that should not result from an original research.Ex Pluribus Unum 15:57, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Season 4

Could who ever it is please stop deleting the section on Season this is the third time i have had to put it in and am getting sick of people deleating my perfectly valid post. If you have a problem with me telling people that atlantis has been renewed for another season can you please tell me by editing this page at the bottom and not just delete it.

umm, if you go to the history, the person/people who keep deleting it gives you a reason.... it shouldnt go up until there is more information... it being renewed is already written in the first paragraph or so... having an entire section is not needed right now... -Xornok 21:04, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

thanks

[edit] SG character articles up for deletion

Just an FYI that someone has nominated Carson Beckett, Ronon Dex, Teyla Emmagan, Rodney McKay, John Sheppard (Stargate), and Elizabeth Weir (Stargate) for deletion, and is apparently fighting tooth and nail in regards to it, attempting to swing things in terms of policy which appear inaccurate.

The full AfD is here. rootology (T) 00:21, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tired of the moral high route

I am so tired of these shows taking the moral high route. Who do they want to appeal to? Just about every person who watches the show wants it the other way around. Notice they always have to sacrifice something good to save someone they know next to nothing about? Who cares if alternate "cool" McKay made it or not? I hated him, I like our McKay, if they didn't save him, they would have had at least 23% power left in the ZPM instead of 0% (watch the monitor in the background).

More examples, the Aurora, they sacrificed it instead of having the Daedalus fight off those other scout ships, it obviously could with another missile or 2 and actually took the time to save the ship but no, they couldn't do that. Another issue is with the enemies, if it's a Wraith or a Goa'uld or another non-human, they kill him immediately but if it's a human enemy (Genii/Rand Protacterate/others) they actually let him walk off like they did with Kolya, Sheppard should have shot him in "The Brotherhood", I'll bet if he was a Wraith, he wouldn't have thought twice about it.

Also, take the Asurans, sure, it's ok to blow up a city of millions of sentient androids but I'll bet you if it was a city full of HUMANS they would have NOT done it.

Who cares if stupid opposite universe Atlantis survived or not? I would have just said proceed with the plan and use the other Project Acrturus thing anyway, now because they felt like saving Mr. Opposite McKay, they have no ZPM. And please don't tell me that no one else would do it because I know that just about everyone else would do I what I would have done.

Does anyone else get what I'm going at here?

There are very few exceptions made on the show, the only ones I can think of was killing the Wraith to human "humans" but they were essentially Wraith and not genuine humans though.

Faris b 19:53, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

While I happen to agree with the sentiment, this is not the right place to be posting essays on the subject. Talk pages are for discussing the article, not the subject of the article. Minor digressions and side-threads don't cause much fuss but let's not start a whole section solely dedicated to it. Bryan 01:51, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] HD

Ok - I know this is not a discussion board but I had to post. In Europe, Canada and Australia, the series is broadcast in HD. WTF - Why doesn't the U.S. have this available in HD? Do I need to make some phone calls to my cable provider or something? Sorry - went on a rant.... To make this relavent to the article ;-) Do we have a date for HD avialability that we can include for the U.S.? Morphh (talk) 13:07, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

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