Talk:Stanton Peele

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Lacks cites. While researching Peele for another article I thought I'd add some of that information to this one. I plan to contribute more when I have time. Mr Christopher 20:57, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Also everything below the entry I just added lacks cites and probably either needs to be referenced or removed. Mr Christopher 21:09, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV

Hi, Chris...I see you're working on this page. Would you be amenable to altering this paragraph from the entry...

Dr. Peele's belief that addictions are not diseases is opposed by many professionals as well as non-professional support and other groups. Although many medical and pyschological associations define problematic drinking as a disease there is currently no scientific or medical procedure to determine whether one has the so-called disease of alcoholism (or addiction) nor is there any research that proves the disease theory.

The first sentence is fine. The second isn't right though...many medical and psychological associations don't define problematic drinking as a disease; rather they define a specific set of symptoms that are related to alcohol use as a disease. The "...currently no scientific or medical procedure to determine..." phrase is irrelevant since that's true for many diseases. And saying there's no research proving the disease theory is simply untrue. There is a great deal of such research.

Perhaps the paragraph could be replaced with:

"Dr. Peele's belief that addictions are not diseases is opposed by many professionals as well as non-professional support and other groups. Although many medical and pyschological associations define alcoholism as a disease, there is still significant controversy regarding this point."

Drgitlow 18:52, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Stuart, I am currently buried in work and out of town so my thoughts and efforts here are minimal right now. I could be wrong but I think using terms like "Dr" or "doctor" does not conform to the Wiki Manual of Style (I could be wrong so let's double check). This article has alot of POV to it and mostly lacks cites (including everything I contributed here months ago) and needs to be fixed or simply removed.

What you have written (the latter) looks pretty good. What do you think of this tweak:

"Peele's belief that alcoholism and addictions are not biological based diseases is opposed by many in the alcoholism treatment, education, and prevention fields. Although most medical and pyschological associations define alcoholism as a disease, there is still significant controversy regarding this point."

I think when it comes to writing about controversial people and subjects we need good references, even when we are talking about what to many (such as you and I in this case) are obviously true. Even without immediate cites it is 1000% better than what you are suggesting we repalce it with. But I think this is good and useable now but let's plan on finding some simple and useful cites/sources to support these ideas soon. Mr Christopher 07:43, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I think your tweak looks great. Which part do you want cites for? Drgitlow 23:30, 11 July 2006 (UTC)